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Can you be a good drummer with bad math skills?
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Do I consider myself a good drummer? I get paid to play, so I guess I consider myself a drummer who's "good enough." :) Last edited by PorkPieGuy; 08302018 at 09:17 PM. 
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I bet there are some. I don't forsee Steven Adler being good at math. Last interview I saw with him he could barely even talk. Always liked his drumming though.
Other guesses would be: Travis Barker Keith Moon (RIP) Lars Ulrich Bill Ward Now all these guys are good drummers. Spectacular, ground breaking, no. But very competent on their instrument. Hell, throw Ginger Baker in there too. He seems too intolerant to learn math.
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I think he's too intolerant for about 95% of what a normal life entails.

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You can suck at math and have a really great feel for time and be an awesome drummer. I know several engineers, Electrical, Mechanical, Chemical, you name it. They are geniuses at mat, but not one of them can clap in time!

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I'm not understanding the question.
What's the correlation between math skills and drumming? 
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Being able to count and do subdivisions....I think one could learn that without a lot of math.
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Maybe counting 3, 5, 7 or 9. But thats not music, that's Jazz. Just kidding, I love Jazz. 
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Where do you think odd time originated?
Dudes that couldn't count just making stuff up and repeating it a few times until someone who could count wrote it all down and used it to be original.... I thought everyone knew this? LOL (Personally, I suck at math and numbers scare me. But I love words so I drum to the words... If it is an instrumental I make up words.) Seriously though, I would bet that quite a few cats who are bad at numbers are some of the most talented, original and dynamic drummer there are. Specifially because they're approach is NOT mathematical.
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I don't know. It is something I suspect though. Half time double time, 4 on the floor, etc. all relate to basic math.
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It is pretty much a "given" that superior musicians typically have very good math skills, for all the reasons givencounting, subdivisions, etc.
I have even seen this posted in the high schools I have worked at. Now, I believe there may be people out there who for whatever ever reason don't have proven "math skills"but have the underlying understanding of the concepts and naturally relate them to their playing.
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With common core math, this should be really interesting going into the future. Let's see. We have 4 beats and we need to get it to 8! Hmmm, we'll first have to see how we can get 4 to fit into 10, oh yes, twice, so if we take two away from 10, we end up with 8...wait....what were we doing again? 16th notes? Anyone have a scroll to write on? LOL!

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Yes. I hate "doing" math. But somehow I can bust out polyrhythms and play compound stuff without really counting or doing any type of add/subtract/multiply on purpose. It's more about how my body feels the music and reacts to it.
I suppose a drum solo could potentially be mathematical since there's nothing else going on to play off. I also suspect lots of times in really "proggy" bands the guys are doing a lot of counting and maybe a little less listening due to all the counterpoint or intentional mathystuff. But that's not how I do it. I intentionally stayed away from all types of "advanced" math classes in school so I'm definitely not a guy with math skills on paper.
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I think so, yes. I think some guys are gifted enough in the feel and ear departments to make it all work, even the complicated stuff. Also, somehow I have a hard time believing doc is all that challenged at math. We should have a math off. Dont you math off to me boy!

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If you can count to four you can play most popular music music.
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For a single bar, at least. The real goal is to count to 6000 in groups of 4.
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I am terrible at math! People keep telling me I am a good drummer. Peace and goodwill.
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BPM=60. X=4/4. Y=6/8. 1 beat=1 measure Yolanda plays drums. The song she is learning is 5:00 minutes long. 1/3 of the song is 4/4 and 2/3 is 6/8, each measure being equal, how many measures is each section of the song? Solve for X and Y. I have a feeling GetAgrippa will get the answer really quickly.
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So there are 300 beats and measures over 5 minutes1/3 are in 4/4 (100 measures) an 2/3 in 6/68 (200 measures)? Wait I thought I made it clear I was an idiot. I'm still working on 13/8 lol.
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Maybe that was too easy...
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I regularly visit a remote Aboriginal Community. In many cases English is their second or third language. I have seen some very good drummers who's levels of numeracy ( and literacy) , would be very poor by our standards.

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That about says it all.
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I don’t know what people consider “math skills” but arithmetic isn’t exactly difficult math.
So I would say that math skills are not neeeed. The most difficult mathematical concept in music would be polyrhythms and all that is is the commutative property of multiplication. 4x3 is the same as 3x4
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I suck at math, but I can balance my checkbook.
I'm a mediocre drummer. Maybe there's a support group I can join? 
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I'm just messing with you. I love math!
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Maybe the question should be: is math ability inherent in great drummers who read and or write music?

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You can suck at math as long as you have a "good time" machineno not a calculator I'm talking internal "time" machineor metronome. Yes the fourth dimensionthe one Larry controls (it's his thread)he controls the horizontal and verticaland it's about "time" we talk about the real issue. One of his personal favorites, which is timeless, and that is "time". If you are playing in 4/4, 6/8, or 12/8 the time signature don't matter if not in time it sounds like shit and who can tell what the time signature is.
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Humans; and literally everything in the world around us are absolutely surrounded and drenched in rhythm. It's at the core of what makes our blood get through our bodies and it's something we are all much more in tune with than we realize. It's more a function of patterns, cycles and intervals than it is directly "math".
Rudimentary and complex "math" is also indeed all around us wherever we choose to see or apply it. A dog can calculate volume in the same way we can, instantly choosing to go after the larger bowl of food, and we don't need to understand it to make these "inherent" sort of decisions. I think this is the sort of "inherent" math we use when playing most music types that we're familiar with. It just happens because our brains are amazing; as Larry said, no better proof than the aboriginals who barely think about the concept of math drumming in complex polyrhythms. Mathematics, is more like a field of study the way we're defining it here. Being "good" at it; that is understanding advanced forms of it just means you've spent lots of time doing it. Just like progrock for example, unless you need to play that type of music or apply those advanced forms of math to say, rocket (or other) science/stat research, most people wouldn't need that advanced knowledge to go along and live life, or play music. That made sense in my head. Hopefully translates.
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I would argue that there are quite many people who don't know much math, or don't like math, yet have a mind that can understand math.
For me, that thing that causes me to be good at math is visual spacial awareness. Math is all about relating things, and I would guess that any type of spacial awareness, including auditory, would go along with a good ability to recognize patterns and relationships (aka math). 
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I got through calculus. He's a better drummer than me,so it's all relative.
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So if you’ve got a calculator you’ll be a shit hot drummer, yeah?
Even if you can’t use calculus to figure out the area underneath your bass drum hoop curve? Last edited by Pocketfullofgold; 08312018 at 09:37 AM. 
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Let me know if you find out how being good at math relates to drums at all.
Unless you mean being able to count to 4 means you're good at math, of course.
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If you can't count then you'll be bad at life never mind drumming!
Music is a different kind of counting but there's lots of songs you play with feel that you don't know the time signature. For example, The Beatles  All You Need Is Love
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So you don't even really have to count at all if you just pay attention to the rhythms in what you're playing.
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That would be geometry.
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Here's a link to a recent thread posted on the forum: http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...d.php?t=144264
So, I ask, if you can play this, do you have good "math skills"? I would say yes. Conversely, if you have bad "math skills", could you still play it? I'm not sure, but I think the ability to calculate compound additions would help quite a bit.
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The Fibonacci Sequence is cool. It's the snail shell in a mathematical sequence. 1+1=2, 1+2=3, 2+3=5, 3+5=8, 5+8=13, 8+13=21, so on and so forth. It forms a perfect spiral and is endless. It's the last two digits of the previous problem added together. Never seen it in a rhythm, but why not?
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In school/college I failed Maths three times. Once in my final 'GCSE' year, again in college and again at a night class.
It's never set me back in life as I'm pretty nifty with a calculator. I just know from experience it's not one of my strong points. With drums I'm more of a feel drummer anyway. I can work out subdivisions but I don't link that to general Math situations as it's completely different, it's more so playing around with different times/metronomes over the years so I'm comfortable in that situation. Give me some math away from the kit and I fall to pieces. I don't consider myself a good drummer anyway.
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absolutely. If you can count to 4, or count to 3,5,7,8,9,12 your fine.
It's not like I pull out a calculator when I'm subdividing adding up fractions haha. the first many years of drumming is counting to 3,4,and 6. counting 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and doesn't require me to divide by 2 or anything. rhythm and limb independence is achieved by practice. 
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