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Old 03-03-2009, 07:44 PM
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Also, when you break cymbals, where do you break them? I get cracks on the shoulder of the cymbal. I'm wondering if the problem you had with breaking that has been remedied by these new washers is similar to mine or maybe something different (like breaking it at the hole or something).

When I've broken cymbals in the past
Crash cymbals - usually on the edge
China cymbals - on the bow (as described by Italian Ricky)
Hi Hats - on the edge
Splash cymbals - usually at the hole.

How tight do you have your cymbals clamped?
I use those black plastic sleeve things (see attached image) and I have the wing nut tightened down to the top of them (if they are loose, they eventually unscrew and fly off when I am playing). The wing nut doesn't really clamp the cymbal down very much at all, because I try to use felt washers that are thin enough to let the cymbal have as much range of motion as possible.

I'm sure my problem can in part be remedied by technique (I think my cymbal placement is good. They angle towards me. I'm not one of those guys with completely flat cymbals and drums). I know I lay into my crashes at a somewhat steep angle that is closer to 90 degrees than parallel, because the shoulders of my right hand sticks (because I ride on crashes fairly often) get worn down faster and generate a fair amount of saw dust.

Maybe working on that would help. Although I do like the feel of the way I play and the sound I get out of my cymbals.
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I used to break a whole load of cymbals. That china break is the typical place for it to fracture. The 12" Oriental is quite thin - which is why it sounds so nice. It's very hard to say why a cymbal breaks - a problem with the cymbal - bad washer setup - bad angle - clamped too tight - hit too hard or a combination of these issues.

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thanks for the answer, but it gave me a new question:
how much do you clamp your 12 oriental?
you'll keep it so loose or very tight?
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:08 PM
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thanks for the answer, but it gave me a new question:
how much do you clamp your 12 oriental?
you'll keep it so loose or very tight?
Hi ItalianRicky

If i may help you, cymbals are made to vibrate freely -also will sound with its full color-
just think that if you´re clamping tight the cymbal, will have more pressure against its natural motion, so this may hurt the cymbal with using. This is more evident with thinner cymbals, as the 12" oriental china -i got one-, which will suffer more being hard clamped. So i would suggest you to let the 12" china to vibrate free.

I suppose the angle of hitting also may be important, but haven´t too much experience really. I only have broken one cymbal in my life!. And my K´s are still alive since 89!.

At Zildjian´s site, there´s information about care of cymbals that may be interesting.

http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/support/productcare.ad2

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Old 03-04-2009, 02:22 PM
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thanks a lot Gus.

now i'm waiting for the new cymbal from the shop...the cymbal's guarantee saved my coin case.
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Old 03-05-2009, 10:06 AM
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Another thing was the Kickport...a device to put in your bassdrum to get more low end....

Funny you should mention it - I ordered it 2 weeks ago and I'm expecting it any moment now.
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Hi Gavin,

have you received your Kickport and tried it out yet? I'm interested in your experiences because I ordered one as well (still waiting).

Thanks, Gernot

P. S.: Maybe you can tell Steven that thousands and thousands of fans are waiting for the new PT DVD coming out THIS year. In our opinion it's not the best idea to release a Live DVD filmed in 2008 not until 2010. Especially after the issue of a new Album with new material.
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Old 03-05-2009, 12:22 PM
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Hi Delaygroover

Are you at the Musikmesse in Frankfurt this year?

No I'm not.

Hi ItalianRicky

how much do you clamp your 12 oriental? you'll keep it so loose or very tight?

I keep it pretty loose.

Hi loser_user

have you received your Kickport and tried it out yet? I'm interested in your experiences because I ordered one as well (still waiting).


Yes it arrived a week ago. I installed it and couldn't hear any difference from my playing position. I'm going to a very big studio next week - so I will try to see if it makes a difference to the microphones out the front of the kit.

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I just wanna say: Thank you so much for the recommendation on that Art Farmer & Jim Hall record, Big Blues. That stuff is incredible! It's one of the best records I've discovered lately, very good music.
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Hey Gavin, I wanted to ask about metronome use. I read somewhere that you use it for some tracks live (the ones with the clips being displayed) so you stay in sync. But what about most studio work and other live situations (like 19 days, you must have done it with a click, it's really hard to stay in time with the rest of the instruments otherwise, for me anyway)? because as far as I am aware, many Pro Drummers *don't* use a click for many of their tracks, and almost never use one live. I personally like to always use a metronome, regardless of the setting, but are there any disadvantages to doing so?

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Old 03-05-2009, 08:55 PM
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Hi Tom Sawyer

I just wanna say: Thank you so much for the recommendation on that Art Farmer & Jim Hall record, Big Blues. That stuff is incredible! It's one of the best records I've discovered lately, very good music.

check out Art Farmer's "Crawl Space" from the year before Big Blues.

Hi Fox622003

I read somewhere that you use it for some tracks live (the ones with the clips being displayed) so you stay in sync. But what about most studio work and other live situations (like 19 days, you must have done it with a click, it's really hard to stay in time with the rest of the instruments otherwise, for me anyway)?

99% of studio work I do now days is to a click. Yes of course 19 Days was to a click. Obviously the audience can't hear the click as it's only in my ears.

because as far as I am aware, many Pro Drummers *don't* use a click for many of their tracks, and almost never use one live. I personally like to always use a metronome, regardless of the setting, but are there any disadvantages to doing so?

One disadvantage is that you can get dependent on it and then you may find it hard to play without one. Some artists like to pull the time around in certain sections - or even from night to night depending on their mood (or amount of drink they've had) - so obviously a click would be usless in that situation.

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Old 03-05-2009, 09:13 PM
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Hi loser_user

have you received your Kickport and tried it out yet? I'm interested in your experiences because I ordered one as well (still waiting).


Yes it arrived a week ago. I installed it and couldn't hear any difference from my playing position. I'm going to a very big studio next week - so I will try to see if it makes a difference to the microphones out the front of the kit.

cheers
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Thanks Gavin,

oh dear, I hope I can hear any difference or at least my bandmates can, as our rehearsal room not has a perfect acoustic for my bassdrum. Certainly your environment is ideal for your drumsound. I always play unmiked so I hope for a much deeper sound. Otherwise it is a complete waste of money ($40 + $28,50 (!) shipping).
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Thanks a lot for the spot on answer Gavin, very complete too. Really appreciate it.

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Old 03-05-2009, 11:13 PM
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Hey Gavin,

any experiences on the Delite 14"x4¼" snare? Or on 14"x4¼" snares in general? Do you like them? After a 14x5 Designer went too high on ebay this week, I consider buying that Delite. Please tell me.

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Old 03-06-2009, 12:14 AM
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Well, thank you Gavin and Santi!!!
Some good advices to me!!

My favourite is the Onyx, best quality for this price!
I have to buy a seperate midi interface, but thats ok :-)
I really love my onyx too and had the idea from time to time to sell my presonus and get the onyx 400. Only drawback to that is that it doesn;t have adat which I might want to use in the future.
The sound from the onyx is unbelievable at the price I think and they have some very good preamps. Mackie made some nice ones over the years, including the ones in the 24-8/32-8 mixing desk that Gavin uses (or used? not sure if you still use them as I remember you at least using an apogee rosetta 800 now right?) and the ones in the Onyx series.

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Have you ever used triggers on your drums for sample triggering and if so, which one worked well for you?
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Old 03-06-2009, 07:29 PM
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Hi Gavin and anyone else who is interested.

Full transcription of your PASIC '08 performance of Slippin Away by David Paich can be found here:

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=47813

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Old 03-06-2009, 07:53 PM
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Hi phil_EN

any experiences on the Delite 14"x4¼" snare? Or on 14"x4¼" snares in general? Do you like them? After a 14x5 Designer went too high on ebay this week, I consider buying that Delite. Please tell me.

Sorry but I've no experience of the Sonor 14"x4¼ snare drum. My favorite size is 14x5.

Hi British Boy

Full transcription of your PASIC '08 performance of Slippin Away by David Paich can be found here:

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=47813


well done - excellent stuff. I only spotted one real mistake - the fourth beat of bar 69 going through bar 70 should all happen a 16th note earlier than you have it.

Many thanks for doing it - it must have been quite hard work.

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Old 03-07-2009, 12:41 AM
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Hey Gavin, I wanted to ask about metronome use. I read somewhere that you use it for some tracks live (the ones with the clips being displayed) so you stay in sync. But what about most studio work and other live situations (like 19 days, you must have done it with a click, it's really hard to stay in time with the rest of the instruments otherwise, for me anyway)? because as far as I am aware, many Pro Drummers *don't* use a click for many of their tracks, and almost never use one live. I personally like to always use a metronome, regardless of the setting, but are there any disadvantages to doing so?

Fox.
Gavin contributed a great article on creating click tracks to the Sound on Sound online recording magazine.

It can be found here if you haven't seen it:http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug0...licktracks.htm
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Gavin contributed a great article on creating click tracks to the Sound on Sound online recording magazine.

It can be found here if you haven't seen it:http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug0...licktracks.htm
Thanks, a lot of useful stuff in there!

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Old 03-07-2009, 07:38 PM
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Gavin -

I just read your Sound on Sound article on triggering -- very entertaining. I actually hadn't realized you had ever used live triggering. Being a metal drummer I see triggers being used everywhere, but I have never really enjoyed using them myself.

I'm curious are you ever in situations where you use live triggering today? I know you play to backing tracks with clicks in Porcupine Tree but do you ever sample triggers in live situations still? I'm asking partly just out of curiousity but also because I may be doing live triggering in a band I am in right now and have never really done it before. I noticed the article is a few years old so I wondered if you had had any more updates in your quest for the ultimate live triggering setup.

The article reminded me of a nightmare I once had with triggers. My band Vex was playing a metalfest in south Texas, so there was one house kit that all the bands were using. It was a two kick drum set using DDrum triggers on each kick. We couldn't get a signal out of one of the kicks so the guy who owned the triggers kept cranking the trigger sensitivity further and further up to try and get a signal. Low and behold we found that a cable was loose on the inputs of the DM5, and when he plugged it back in it happened to be at an extremely slow, doomy part of the song with very simple kind of 1 & 3 kick drum playing. But because of the sensitivity being so high the trigger was firing everytime one of my leghairs got too close to the kick head. So this slow, doomy part suddenly was seasoned with a flurry of 32nd note hertas and 16th note triplets all over the place. The other guys thought I had all of a sudden turned it into an improv fusion part.

So that experience kind of swore me off of triggers forever.

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Old 03-08-2009, 05:46 PM
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Hi NeuroAxis

I'm curious are you ever in situations where you use live triggering today?

No, I hate it - and when I did - it drove me crazy. You can get it pretty good but never perfect at all times.
The best system I found was the DDrum 4 - because it reacted the fastest of the ones I tested - and you can put in your own sounds (VERY important). However - there were occasional mis-triggers and flams. I tried triggering directly off the Axis pedal and that worked pretty good - but it's not an exact science in the way you set it up - so there's room for errors. Anything that involved MIDI was a n nightmare because of the delay - and I was hoping to get triggering down to less than one millisecond (the DDrum was about 4.5 ms) - some MIDI systems were producing over 10 milliseconds and you become very aware of a flam between the real drum and the sample coming out.

I know a lot of metal drummers trigger the bass drum - and you really have to for that speed and articulation. You can also try some drastic eq and gating the bass drum to a few milliseconds - and mixing that in with a standard mic sound.

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Old 03-09-2009, 03:41 PM
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Hi Gavin,

Here's the finished drum solo which I called 'Ritual Madness' and dedicated to you. See what you think, remembering it's for a year 12 student of a good playing level but not virtuosic. I'll get it recorded sometime too (as soon as I've practised it a little more.)
I've written other ones dedicated to Tony Williams, Steve Gadd and Ian Paice. Students doing Solo Performance for year 12 have to perform 15 minutes of pieces on 2 areas of percussion (e.g. kit and snare.) Cheers again for the inspiration.
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Old 03-09-2009, 10:48 PM
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Here's the finished drum solo which I called 'Ritual Madness' and dedicated to you. See what you think, remembering it's for a year 12 student of a good playing level but not virtuosic. I'll get it recorded sometime too (as soon as I've practised it a little more.)
I've written other ones dedicated to Tony Williams, Steve Gadd and Ian Paice. Students doing Solo Performance for year 12 have to perform 15 minutes of pieces on 2 areas of percussion (e.g. kit and snare.) Cheers again for the inspiration.
Hi,wow,it's very difficult for a 12 year children..he's a good student!
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Hi Gavin,

I recently came across your work for Porcupine Tree when I became hypnotized by the "Sound of Muzak" groove - it must have been a preview of your Modern Drummer festival performance. It had quite the same impact on me that once Jeff Porcaro's "Rosanna" groove had. Sure, the musical setting is different but both consist of a rather challenging groove (at least for me) matching the musical context as close as possible while being performed totally relaxed and easy - whenever I hear it, it catches me.

I have been following this thread for quite some time now. As far as I can see there are not too many professional drummers patiently answering questions from fans and interested drummers over months and years now - just like you have. This is extremely encouraging and has given me much insight into how you think and approach technical and musical issues.

Although it´s really a tough challenge for me to follow you when it comes to polyrhythms, displacements etc. as layed out in your two books and DVD's, it is very inspiring. I also like very much that you stay true to the point that you want to make instead of blowing everybody away with chops and solo's that would be too fast to figure out for me anyway. Given that I am a hobby drummer who´s family and job doesn´t leave too much time to practise, I am sure it´ll take me years to get to the point where I could comfortably play most of this, but as you rightly say... it increases the comfort level for the "usual" stuff I come across.

The one or ther other time you mentioned, that it might be good idea to create a set of FAQ's to make it easier for new readers of this thread to collect all the knowledge that is spread across nearly 80 pages. Is this already existing? If not, I would volunteer to compile a first draft - it´ll also help me extracting the core of what has been posted here. I assume it makes sense for you to approve it before it can be published here within this forum.

What do you think?

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Hi,wow,it's very difficult for a 12 year children..he's a good student!
No, actually that means 12th (and final) year of high school in South Australia so the student would be 17 or 18 and been learning for 5 years at least.

Tony Royster could have played it at 12, probably one-handed!
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Old 03-10-2009, 09:41 PM
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Gavin, who played drums on the track "Mesmer Part 1" ?

I'm pretty sure it was Chris. Is that 13/8 timing?
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Old 03-10-2009, 11:24 PM
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Hi dahop

Here's the finished drum solo which I called 'Ritual Madness' and dedicated to you


Thanks - it's very interesting - and pretty hard!!

Hi ChrisGau

it might be good idea to create a set of FAQ's to make it easier for new readers of this thread to collect all the knowledge that is spread across nearly 80 pages. Is this already existing? If not, I would volunteer to compile a first draft - it´ll also help me extracting the core of what has been posted here. I assume it makes sense for you to approve it before it can be published here within this forum.


Vladimer Sichinava kindly made this one

http://gavinharrison.netsons.org/ind...itle=Main_Page

but I guess it's a pretty time consuming updating it.

Hi Kongo

who played drums on the track "Mesmer Part 1" ? I'm pretty sure it was Chris. Is that 13/8 timing?


I've no idea about that song - I've never heard of it. If it's a PT song it must be Chris on drums.

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Old 03-11-2009, 03:51 AM
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Hmm, it's the first track on "Metanoia" It's called "Mesmer I"
I'm surprised you never heard of it.

http://www.porcupinetree.com/discogr...cfm?albumid=97

If you listen to it, tell me what you think. Besides "Stop Swimming" that is my favorite Maitland song.
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Hi Gavin,

Glad I did read your article about using triggers. We are in the stage of adding triggers to the drums because some songs demand some extra drumsounds triggered. Particulary simmons kit drums.

I'm not sure if you are really familiar with the simmons system but I'll ask anyways. The simmons don't use midi as far as I know but direct CV inputs. Does this mean that the delay between the hit and the sound will be much lesser then with midi systems?
I know that Phil Collins used the simmons system a lot with real drums where he played the system from his acoustic kit (I have seen small triggers mounted in his concert toms) and I heard him doing it live a couple of times. I never noticed any flam or delay. Could this be because the system is analog instead of midi?
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Hey Gavin,
Thanks for your generous replies on this forum. I'm going to ask the one I always ask at every drum clinic which is: how do you handle the physical side of drumming?
I've always got a few aches and pains from playing and have had acute back problems in the past. I get to the gym which helps, along with good posture at the kit and a relaxed grip but when the music gets heavy...Any other tips, any physical issues yourself?
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Hi Gavin,
I am doing a thesis about how Progressive Rock drumming advanced modern drum kit playing.
can you give me some advise?
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:41 PM
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Hi SantiBanks

I'm not sure if you are really familiar with the simmons system but I'll ask anyways. The simmons don't use midi as far as I know but direct CV inputs. Does this mean that the delay between the hit and the sound will be much lesser then with midi systems?

I think so. In my experience MIDI and the modules that it's controlling isn't as fast as I would like.

Hi dahop

I'm going to ask the one I always ask at every drum clinic which is: how do you handle the physical side of drumming?

Well, it gets harder as you get older for sure. Now I warm up before the show (I can remember a time when I never warmed up). At the moment I'm cycling everyday trying to work on stamina and general fitness. Of course it depends on the type of gig that you're playing. Some of the PT sets have been pretty tough in the past. I don't like to hold back or cruise when I play - I like to really go for it - but that's when I have to try and conserve energy in the slower songs and release it in the up tempo stuff. I guess it's learning about pacing yourself.

I've always got a few aches and pains from playing and have had acute back problems in the past. I get to the gym which helps, along with good posture at the kit and a relaxed grip but when the music gets heavy...Any other tips, any physical issues yourself?

I get occasional aches and pains - and my hands get pretty beaten up during the tour. It's a battle with myself about wanting to hit hard - but hurting my hands if I go too far. I could of course play half the volume and let the sound engineer turn me up in the PA - but it just wouldn't feel the same to me. Posture, seat height, stick weight, skin tension, drum/cymbal setup and grip will all effect your physical stamina - and you just have to come to a compromise with yourself about it.

Hi Jit420

I am doing a thesis about how Progressive Rock drumming advanced modern drum kit playing. can you give me some advise?

I'm really not the right guy to ask about that. I don't have a lot of knowledge about the history of prog music. Good luck.

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Hi Gavin,

Thanks for being so generous with your replies. If I may just take advantage of your generousity with a few questions...

I've found it very interesting reading how you used to record yourself and slow down the recordings to gauge your level of accuracy, consistency etc. Could you possibly describe how you used this sort of feed back? For example - lets say on a recording, my left hand cross stick and hi-hat foot appear to, more often than not, unintentionally flam when playing a particular time functioning pattern. How would you go about fixing this? Is it just a matter of shifting your attention to the problem area? It never ceases to amaze how very different I can sound on playback, so how do I change what's seemingly unperceivable whilst playing?

And - Are there/were there any sort of exercises you would do to improve your own sense of time or internal pulse? Like for example displacing the metronome, or recording and practicing to click tracks with gaps. While you play set pieces or improvise, do you imagine a click or sing the subdivisions of the music you're playing, like other drummers/percussionist claim to? I have your Rhythmic Illusions book and it would seem to me that some of the illusions, especially those where there are none or few notes on down beats (like Ex 5a-8a) have to be played in conjunction with an imagined click in order to be performed accurately. Is this what you'd do or would recommend doing? And would you recommend your book as a tool for improving this aspect of playing?

I'm currently working through The new breed book and Gary Chaffee's rhythm and Meter Patterns and find this whole area of improving timing and 'clarity' both fascinating and increasingly frustrating. It's difficult to know what sort of level of consistency to accept before moving on to the next exercise, and what mental steps to make for progress. Like accurately switching between subdivisions whilst keeping the time steady. How's it done? With the exception of maybe Peter Erskine or Andrew C Lewis, I've hardly ever heard a successful drummer talk about what would seem to be such an important aspect of drumming.

I'd be very interested and extremely grateful for hearing your expert opinion in these areas if you get the chance.

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Hey gavin, I'm trying to become a professional studio and live freelance drummer. I recently got endorsed by a custom drum company called TMD and have done sessions on a cd along with Marco Minnemann, Kenny Aronoff, Chad Wackerman and a few others. I'm trying to make connections and get my name around as a drummer and I almost landed myself behind the kit for bedouin soundclash touring live this summer with no doubt. I was wondering if you have any tips on getting myself out there in the drum world, and landing jobs and gigs. Thanks alot.

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Hi Gavin,

This isn't just opinion, this is fact. You are the best goddamn drummer on the planet and most inspiring player I've ever witnessed. You've had an enormous influence on me - if you get a minute you can hear our band @ http://www.chasinjade.com

Anyway, long shot here - would you be up for coming to Yorkshire for a jam? I think it's safe to say that would be the greatest moment in our collective existence!

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Gavin,
I'm extremely excited about the upcoming album with 05ric! I have really enjoyed the last few albums where you have been able to let all of your skill show. i.e. nil recurring, drop, futile... I was wondering if there are any other groups you've recorded with where you have been able to express more of the illusory skills and just flat out kill it? Also, are there any plans for a Denver/Boulder show on the upcoming PT tour?

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Hi Steve Gregson

I've found it very interesting reading how you used to record yourself and slow down the recordings to gauge your level of accuracy, consistency etc. Could you possibly describe how you used this sort of feed back? For example - lets say on a recording, my left hand cross stick and hi-hat foot appear to, more often than not, unintentionally flam when playing a particular time functioning pattern. How would you go about fixing this? Is it just a matter of shifting your attention to the problem area? It never ceases to amaze how very different I can sound on playback, so how do I change what's seemingly unperceivable whilst playing?


If you want to fix what appears to be small problems (but very important from a groove point of view) you're going to have to get microscopically anal. So if you can hear an unintentional flam happening between the hi hat and cross stick - just practise hitting the two together for a couple of hours and let your ears become accustomed to that kind of detailed listening - remember what it sounds and feels like when they both land perfectly together. Go REALLY slow and make up exercises that will feature it. Play slow 16's on the hi hat and then play all kinds of figures with the cross stick - and just turn your attention on their 'togetherness'. Record yourself playing a really simple rhythm and then analyse it carefully. Slow down the recording and see what it sounds like.

Maybe break it down further and just play 8ths with both hands on a practise pad (or hi hat) and see if you can make them sound perfectly together with no flams. It's actually quite hard.

And - Are there/were there any sort of exercises you would do to improve your own sense of time or internal pulse? Like for example displacing the metronome, or recording and practicing to click tracks with gaps.

There's a great Steve Gadd exercise that I used to do (and still do now). Record yourself playing (without a metronome medium slow about 60-70bpm-ish). Play 1&3 on the Bass drum 2&4 on the snare and just quarter notes on the hi hat (count yourself in by clicking the sticks). After 8 bars change the hi hat to 8th notes (keep the BD & SN the same) then after another 8 bars switch the hi hat up to 16ths - then after 8 bars go back to 8ths and then 8 bars later go back down to quarter notes. Stop the recording and play it back. When you hear your count in on the recording play gentle 16ths on the hi hat throughout the entire exercise. Firstly it will show you that probably you didn't start playing at the same tempo that you counted in at - then you can judge how even your tempo keeping is especially when you are switch through the hi hat subdivisions on the recording. OK go back and repeat the exercise until you feel it's sitting comfortably. In the beginning I used to just practise the count in and first few bars (over and over) to see if I could get it at the same tempo. Be tough on yourself.

Then pick a different tempo and do the whole thing again. Then try playing a lead in fill and a fill at the end of every 8 bars - and go back and listen very carefully to the recording each time (and always play 16ths on the hi hat along to it - all the way through from the count in to the end to check your evenness).

While you play set pieces or improvise, do you imagine a click or sing the subdivisions of the music you're playing, like other drummers/percussionist claim to? I have your Rhythmic Illusions book and it would seem to me that some of the illusions, especially those where there are none or few notes on down beats (like Ex 5a-8a) have to be played in conjunction with an imagined click in order to be performed accurately. Is this what you'd do or would recommend doing? And would you recommend your book as a tool for improving this aspect of playing?

I don't imaging a click when I'm playing. Trying to play 16th note displacements are actually very good for improving your inner clock...and it feels so much better when you start playing back in their original position again.

Hi dr.funkenstien

Hey gavin, I'm trying to become a professional studio and live freelance drummer.


Me too!

I was wondering if you have any tips on getting myself out there in the drum world, and landing jobs and gigs.


Nearly all the jobs I ever got came from other musicians - and in my early days I would play with anyone who was willing to have me (usually for free of course). I don't really know what the scene is out there now - wherever musicians are playing - go along and meet them.

Hi Gavin.Is.Better.

Anyway, long shot here - would you be up for coming to Yorkshire for a jam?


Do you mean like a strawberry or raspberry jam? I know that jams up there are good (my mother is from Yorkshire) but I think I can buy them in London ;-) -- thanks anyway!!!!!

Hi MBruyere

I'm extremely excited about the upcoming album with 05ric! I have really enjoyed the last few albums where you have been able to let all of your skill show. i.e. nil recurring, drop, futile... I was wondering if there are any other groups you've recorded with where you have been able to express more of the illusory skills and just flat out kill it? Also, are there any plans for a Denver/Boulder show on the upcoming PT tour?

There haven't really been any other groups where I get to express my more elaborate 'rhythmic designs' with lately. There have been records where I have played some amounts of them (Mick Karn, Dave Stewart & Babara Gaskin, Jakko, Ed Poole) but none as much as my records with O5Ric. I haven't see any plans to come to Boulder/Denver with PT this year - but I'm optimistic for next year.
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Brilliant! Thanks for the advice Gavin.

Just a couple more less specific questions. Do you have any sort of conscious process for creativity? I don't just mean your contributions as a working drummer, but musical composition/artistry in general. For example, do you wait for ideas to occur naturally and keep a record of them? Or do you allot time specifically for generating ideas? Perhaps through improvisation? There seems to be a lot of literature available regarding creativity and lateral thinking, but sadly far more in practical/problem solving areas rather than artistic endeavours. You've mentioned playing other instruments......
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Hi Gavin!

Will there be any updates regarding the PT's new album some time soon? I'm thrilled to hear more about it....

By the way.. Have you heard about the drummer Benny Greb? If so, what do you think of his playing? I recently bought his new dvd. Very inspiring stuff!

Cheers!
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Ah yes I still need to pick that one up. I've heard some good reviews about it.

Gavin.Is.Better. - I'm in Yorkshire too, fancy a jam? (by that I mean play along!!) :D


Just about to get some tickets for your Porcupine Tree Leeds show! Long way away though :(

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Hi Gavin, nice to have you here..

I am a 38 year old guy from No(r)way who just started to play drums again, one of the reasons is ofcourse the drumming on "Mother and child divided" the song that made me aware of PT.. and you.. :) Saw you guys in Oslo last time (Both actually) and went to the Forum in London Nov 2007. Got ticket to Hammersmith as well.. really looking forward to that show.
Well my question is rather novice.. hehe do you have any tip/trick regarding foot/hand independence??

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Gavin,
Just wondering how you are liking your new Black Swamp snare? I heard the clips that you sent over and I must say that it sounds great, as does your playing. Will it be strictly a studio drum, or are you thinking about bringing on the road?
Also,how things were going on the new Porcupine Tree recordings. Last I heard, the band was in the studio. Are you still writing and tracking it, or has it moved into the mixdown stage?
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