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Old 09-20-2007, 05:36 PM
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Thanks Gavin for your insight. It's such a privilege to be able to talk shop with you. I also wanted to say I enjoyed the three videos from Musikmesse.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:31 AM
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Hi Gavin,
How has your merch been holding out on tour? I'll be going to one of your last North American concerts, and I'm worried there won't be much left.
Also, the Nil Recurring preview sounds great, my copy is in the mail and I can't wait.
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:18 AM
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Hi Mr. Harrison,
it's always me bugging you with strange questions :-)

I've got a new one: watching your various videos on YouTube what's strikes me the most is the precision of your sticks and hands movements. The heads are always hit in the centers no matter what king of body movement are you doing. Infact the hit area is always darker on the coated white head and it no more than 5cm of diameter. There are no other marks or dents on the other part of the head. Impressive. Quite a few drummers are that precise (Jeff Porcaro was one of these).
Precison of movements to me is precision of sound, a thing that I'm always looking for to be a studio session drummer.

On the up cam it's clearly visible that there are absolutely no wasted movements, you seems to use french grip when rolling on the toms.

My question: are there specific exercises to develop such fluidity and precision of hitting?


Cya in November in Rome, on the Porcupine concert.
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Old 09-22-2007, 11:49 AM
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My question: are there specific exercises to develop such fluidity and precision of hitting?
I'll step in between here... I've worked on playing clean, precise double strokes spread between two drums, and it has helped with my fluidity around the kit quite a bit. Here's what you do:

- Pick the snare drum as your "home base" and play SLOW doubles on it.
- Start moving the second stroke of the double on another drum. If you haven't done this before, it will feel a bit uncomfortable, but just go slow, try to relax and strive to be as accurate as possible. You should work on accenting the second stroke to make the strokes more even.
- Play the second strokes of the doubles on each drum of your kit, and spend enough time on each combination to get the motions fluid and consistent. Once you can do that from one drum, start playing doubles on the next drum and spread the second strokes around the kit again.
- Go through your kit using each drum in turn as your "home base".
- The point of using doubles is that if you really master the motions, you can easily play single strokes between those drums at a doubled rate, and what's more, you can lead with your both hands.

This exercise is my little derivation from Rod Morgenstein's great book "Drum set warm-ups" -- you should definitely get a copy!
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Old 09-23-2007, 06:34 PM
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Hi Gavin,

Having listened recently to various recordings of your playing I can't help but notice the relaxed feel that you always project. I was wondering if you sing subdivisions or a melody to stay locked within the groove. A lot of times I have the habit of 'honing' in on either my hi hat or bass drum and using that as an anchor for everything else to sort of hang on. The result is often times tentative. I find myself relying on muscle memory as opposed to being "in tune" with the groove.
Any advice you can offer is certainly appreciated.

Take care,
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:54 AM
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Hi hauk,

How has your merch been holding out on tour? I'll be going to one of your last North American concerts, and I'm worried there won't be much left.

It depends what you you want. If it's CD's it might be safer to buy them from Burningshed.com (the PT shop) - The other stuff sells pretty well - but we usually have some things left by the last shows.

Hi Alexdrum75,

Precison of movements to me is precision of sound, a thing that I'm always looking for to be a studio session drummer.
On the up cam it's clearly visible that there are absolutely no wasted movements, you seems to use french grip when rolling on the toms.
My question: are there specific exercises to develop such fluidity and precision of hitting?


Consistency is important to me - and hitting in the same spot is the best way to try to get a consistent sound especially with snare back beats. I try to keep the movements economic so I don't waste energy and time getting from one drum to another. It's not something I think about when I'm playing. The advice "Wavelength" offers is good practice.

Hi Clint Hopkins,

I was wondering if you sing subdivisions or a melody to stay locked within the groove. A lot of times I have the habit of 'honing' in on either my hi hat or bass drum and using that as an anchor for everything else to sort of hang on. The result is often times tentative. I find myself relying on muscle memory as opposed to being "in tune" with the groove.


I sometimes grunt subdivisions to myself in certain moments - especially in fills. I don't use muscle memory - it's all got to come from your brain - muscles can get tired and slow down - or excited and speed up. Try playing some linear grooves (like the ones in post number 1548) - that way you have to hold the whole rhythm together in your head - as your limbs are not doing something so regular as to "anchor" against - (like you would if you're playing a 4 in bar bass drum for instance). It has to 'sound' right to you.

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Old 09-27-2007, 04:44 AM
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Hi hauk,

It depends what you you want. If it's CD's it might be safer to buy them from Burningshed.com (the PT shop) - The other stuff sells pretty well - but we usually have some things left by the last shows.
Good to know. I'll be looking for t-shirts and maybe hoodies, not CDs. In fact I just got Nil Recurring in the mail. It's great stuff, I can't stop listening to it. I especially love "Normal."
Thanks for your help
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:25 PM
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Hi Gavin

I just bought the Rhythmic horizons dvd and it is by far the best drum instructional dvd i own. The polyrhythmic theory lessons have really shed some light on polyrhythms for me. Im using the 19 days track for my Berklee school of music audition for the track im going to be preforming. 7 7 5...hope i dont kill myself in the process. Good job on the Nile recurring album. now i have some new songs to attempt :)

you are a huge inspiration for my playing and i appreciate the fact that you are reaching out to other drummers and spreading your talent


ROCK ON!

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Old 09-27-2007, 09:38 PM
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Gavin:

I just grabbed the FLAC download of "Nil Recurring" from Burning Shed, and I love it.

But I've given up on trying to figure out the time signature in the verses of "Cheating the Polygraph." I'm trying to count 16th notes. :) Can you shed a little light on it?

Thanks, and I can't wait to see you guys in Nashville in a couple of weeks...



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Old 09-28-2007, 04:43 AM
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All I can say is WOW.

I recently discovered the music of Porcupine Tree and I am totally hooked!!

I am so impressed that Gavin Harrison is a member here and posts here.

That is so cool!
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:46 PM
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Hi Zildjian232,
good luck with your "19 Days" performance!!!!

Hi tmccartney,


But I've given up on trying to figure out the time signature in the verses of "Cheating the Polygraph." I'm trying to count 16th notes. :) Can you shed a little light on it?


It's in 7/8 - I wrote out that rhythm 2 or 3 pages back - have a look at post number 1482.

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Old 09-29-2007, 12:35 PM
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Hey Gavin,
Man, this thing is getting up there in pages, wow!
There is a song you might be interested in hearing.
"We Who Are Not As Others" by Sepultura on the Chaos A.D. album, track 9.
This song incorporates a very simple rhythmic illusion. Simple, effective and intense!
Take a listen and tell me what you think.
Take care and Glod bless.

MM

P.S. Track 5, "Kaiowas" is another i would recommend.
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Old 10-01-2007, 10:32 AM
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hi gavin,
i'm really interested in your concept of rhythmic illusions and wanted to ask if you have been the first one who defined this term as i haven't seen anyone else using it.
another question i have is if you can tell me in which songs of porcupine tree you incorporated rhythmic illusions as i'm not always sure if it really is an illusion or if i'm under the illusion that it is an illusion ;-)

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Old 10-01-2007, 05:40 PM
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Hi 12:5,
there's quite a lot of Rhythmic Illusions in PT songs. Off the top of my head..
Futile
Cheating The Polygraph
Sentimental
What Happens Now
Halo

I think I was the first person to use the phrase "Rhythmic Illusion" to encompass any rhythm that appears to be something that it's not. Usually based on either a metric modulation or a displacement.

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Old 10-02-2007, 02:19 PM
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thank you very much gavin...i think you forgot mother & child divided the coolest groove ever...i cannot imagine how someone is able to invent such an ingenious groove ;-)
and isn't the part after the solo from alex lifeson in anesthethize also a rhythmic illusion?

would you count the verse of sound of muzak or open car as an illusion?...you can see it as 4/4 as well or am i mistaken?

also i wanted to say the nil recurring ep is unbelieveable...
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Old 10-03-2007, 03:26 AM
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Hi Gavin,

I read in one of these posts that your complete cymbal setup can be found on the Zildjian website. However, i own the Porcupine Tree DVD Arriving Somewhere... and I noticed that the setup you used there is different than the one described in Zildjian's website. Would it possible for you to tell me what your full setup is? If you have multiple setups, could you tell me which is your preferred setup?

Also, I read in another post that the five bells you have on the left side of your drumset were made by you and a friend out of some old cymbals. I was wondering if you could tell me which cymbals you used and how? I am not planning on reproducing or copying these bells in any way, I am simply a big fan of yours and your drumming has helped me improve greatly.
If you could answer any of these questions, i would greatly appreciate it.

Sincerely,
Honorio

PS. I will be seeing you perform with PT tomorrow, Oct. 3rd at the House of Blues in Orlando, FL
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:33 AM
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Hi 12:5

and isn't the part after the solo from alex lifeson in anesthethize also a rhythmic illusion?

that bit is just drums in 4/4 whilst the guitars are cycling in 5/8

would you count the verse of sound of muzak or open car as an illusion?...you can see it as 4/4 as well or am i mistaken?

Yes - I'm trying to make 7 feel like 4/4 and the same with Open Car 17/8 feel a bit like 4/4. Mother & Child is trying to make 4/4 sound like something not 4/4...if you know what I mean.

Hi honorio,

my cymbal setup is constantly evolving - but take a look at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Harrison

that's a pretty close version. Regarding the mini custom bell cymbals - check out post number 507 (around page 15 of this thread).


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Old 10-03-2007, 12:28 PM
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Hi gavin!

great work on Nil Recurring, i love the EP!!

One question, on wikipedia it says that you're playing "tap guitar" on the song normal... is that right? i can't hear any tap guitar... and i didn't know you're playing guitar as well!

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Old 10-03-2007, 04:18 PM
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tobi283,

There's no tapped guitar on "Normal" - I play the 2 tapped parts in the intro of "Nil Recurring" and then the part in 7 before the outro. I've been playing a little bit of guitar, bass guitar and keyboards for the past 25 years - mostly for fun, and a bit for compositional purposes.

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Old 10-03-2007, 04:35 PM
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gavin when are you coming in greece with porcupine tree???We're waiting and waiting and we cant wait anymore!!!!COME ON :)
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Old 10-04-2007, 12:02 AM
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Gavin:

I just wanted to say that I am happy that I ordered your new album Drop today! I have to wait for the product to ship across the pond to Canada but I am hoping that I can have it in hand before your Porcupine Tree perfornance in Toronto, Ontario, Canada on October 16th. (Maybe I can get you to autograph it!!!) I am really looking forward to hearing you live.

Again, thanks for your musicality and your work! Keep it up!

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Old 10-04-2007, 07:10 AM
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i just saw the porcupine tree show in orlando tonight, which i believe is the first show on the current u.s. tour. thanks for coming here! the show was epic! of course, i was watching the drumming very closely, and i wasn't disappointed. it was interesting to see how you play certain things i've heard on the recordings. i loved your drums and your cymbal setup especially. what is that little cymbal just above the rack toms? it seemed like a cross between a splash and a bell cymbal. i really liked the sound!

i hope you enjoy your brief stay in orlando. don't mind the heat, humidity, and rain. you should come here in the winter next time.
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Old 10-04-2007, 05:50 PM
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Hi Panos_from_greece!,
sorry but we have no plans to come to Greece in the near future.

Hi dairyairman,

what is that little cymbal just above the rack toms? it seemed like a cross between a splash and a bell cymbal. i really liked the sound!

It's another one of my experiments. Originally it was a 16" Z crash that I've cut down to 8" and slightly bent into an inverted "china-ish" shape.

Hi 12:5,

the part in cheating the polygraph which starts at 5:48...is it in normal 4/4 or is it an odd timesignature?,

No it's in 5 just like the chorus is - except I play a quarter note override on the hi hat and place a 2&4 backbeat on the snare as if it was in 4/4. Does that make sense?

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Old 10-04-2007, 05:55 PM
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I love your work with PT Gavin! Thanks for taking rock drumming even further.
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:23 PM
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Hi Gavin,

Just received your and 05Ric's new CD "Drop" and I like it. Your drumming is how surprisingly clean cool and adventureous.
The (drum)sound is also amazing.

But I had a question regarding Axis pedals.

I've read all your comments on this forum regarding the Axis pedals, and it seems you really like them.

I currently use Pearl Eliminators and they're fine by my standards, but I've heard good things about the Axis pedals.

But since the Axis pedals go for around $600 and the Eliminator for half that, do you think the Axis pedals are worth the difference. Did they have a big impact on your footwork.?

I've read some reviews of some users, and mostly all really like the feel and speed of the pedals but there where some who had screws come loose many times.

Did you ever had problems with your Axis pedals??

Thanks,
Dre
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:28 PM
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Hi Gavin.

The wiki article lists your toms as 8"x7", 10"x8", 12"x9"
14"x12", and 16"x14".

The "Equipment Info" on side B of your Rhythmic Horizons DVD (which I LOVE, btw, as well as Rhythmic Visions) lists the same, except for the depth of your 8" tom - it is listed there as having square dimensions.

Was there a change? If so, what was your reasoning for going from an 8" depth to 7"?

I am a new and huge fan.

Thanks,

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Old 10-04-2007, 06:36 PM
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Gavin,

really enjoyed the show last night (in Orlando) THANK YOU! I thought that the new tracks from Nil Recurring came across great live. One of the new songs in particular seems to have a sequenced bit at the beginning; I imagine you have that part in your in-ear monitors? I know you've used a click for the video synch - but I'm curious what you hear when accompanying an audio sequence. Would it be purely the sequenced part or is there a click along with it?

Also, a technical question, at the end of "Cheating the Polygraph" your groove contains of blur of ghost notes on the snare and doubles on the high hat. How exactly is that broken down?

I picked up "Drop" as well; looking forward to enjoying that today - along with the in-store performance tonight - even if it is just Steven! (I don't see how you could fit a kit in that store!)

All the best
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Old 10-04-2007, 09:40 PM
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Hi Drizzle,

But since the Axis pedals go for around $600 and the Eliminator for half that, do you think the Axis pedals are worth the difference. Did they have a big impact on your footwork.?
I've read some reviews of some users, and mostly all really like the feel and speed of the pedals but there where some who had screws come loose many times.
Did you ever had problems with your Axis pedals??


I used Eliminators for many years and I thought they were very good. Sometimes I struggled to articulate some things (especially at loud concert volume)- and I figured that it was just my lack of technique. When I got the Axis I could play most of those things that I struggled with a bit easier. I think it's more down to the fact that they suited my feet. However, a lot of drummers think that if they just had the 'best' pedals that they would suddenly be great double pedal players. In the end there's no shortcut - you can't make up for lack of technique - I know that because I was always looking for that 'magic' pedal too. I've practiced a lot more since I got the Axis and things are SLOWLY getting better - but I'm noticing improvement over months rather than days. I haven't had problems with them - the only thing that's happened is that I've bent a few beater shafts (Pearl ones).

Hi baniels,

what was your reasoning for going from an 8" depth to 7"?

Yes my new SQ2 set has an 8x7 whereas my Designer set has an 8x8. They didn't make 8x7 in the Designer days. There's not much difference really.

Hi cygnify,

Also, a technical question, at the end of "Cheating the Polygraph" your groove contains of blur of ghost notes on the snare and doubles on the high hat. How exactly is that broken down?

It's 16th note triplets grouped in a 5/8 rhythm. I don't have the chance to write it out because I'm on tour at the moment as you know...but it's not easy to describe any other way. Maybe someone else will jump in and transcribe it for you?

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Old 10-04-2007, 11:00 PM
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yes that makes sense to me...thanks for explaining.
meanwhile i found out by myself that it's in 5 but with kind of a 4/4 feel...great idea as always...this is why i love your drumming it's so creative and you hardly ever play a groove as one would expect...

one question: which rhythmic illusions did you incorporate in the two songs 'clock' and 'unsettled' from your new cd?...and if there aren't any...which time signatures are implemented in these songs?...very interesting grooves indeed!
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:03 PM
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hi gavin.
I hope that you're ok..
At first i wanna say thanks for your advices.I've used your advice about my 16" floor tom...an O\ring inside...last week on a live show a lot of drummers ask me how i can have a focused sound on my 16"...i told them that i was helped by a friend!Because i wanna consider you as a friend..A person that help me and other guys in this way, with passion and knowledge, can only be considered as a REAL FRIEND.My guitarist was shocked by the snare drum with the combo CS+O-ring...THANKS!

i got some questions for you..
1 - Pedals.I noticed that with foot i'm using overall the last part of the pedal,tha part nearest to me.But my DW 5000 haven't a long foot plate.This sometimes create me problems on fast double strokes and on double bass drumming.Overall, sometimes the strokes aren't all powerful in the same way.Can you give me some advice?
2 - secondary snare.I'want to add a secondary snare to my setup.i'was thinking about a 12x5 snare.what do you thing? for some songs that go more on a POP style can be helpful? (my main snares is too much dark,14x6.5..)
3 - double bass pedal exercise.Iyou always told us that you not consider yourself a PURE double bass drummer.And i wanna told you that i'm not a double bass lover.But i understand that double pedal can be added on the music with triplets,quartets, flams...You teach me this.And i found those thing very curious..What exercise you can suggest me??


thanks a lot again and good work for your tour.
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:48 PM
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Hey Gavin - Firstly you are one of the most musical set players I have ever heard! Thank you for putting together amazing compositions and material! I recently watched a new video here at drummerworld from the frankfort 07 fair. The piece was in 19/8 - did you program this track on your laptop? Also - do you have the track available anywhere - I would love to practice to it if it's available somewhere. Thanks again!

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Old 10-05-2007, 05:23 AM
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Hi 12:5,

one question: which rhythmic illusions did you incorporate in the two songs 'clock' and 'unsettled' from your new cd?

There's a few things going on in "Unsettled". First the intro is all in 4/4 - then the verse is in 3/4 (but I think of it as a group of 7 + 5 which equals 12/16) The part in the outro really shows the 7+5 feel. Other than that there's a cross over between a 12/16 triplet kind of groove and a straight 16ths 4/4 groove. "Clock" is pretty much all in 4/4 but with an unusual groove from the toms and snare hits.

Hi ItalianRicky,

1 - Pedals.I noticed that with foot i'm using overall the last part of the pedal,tha part nearest to me.But my DW 5000 haven't a long foot plate.This sometimes create me problems on fast double strokes and on double bass drumming.Overall, sometimes the strokes aren't all powerful in the same way.Can you give me some advice?

Yes I had a DW 5000 and I hurt the arch of my foot trying to play that short pedal board at high volumes. You won't have that problem with an Axis Longboard.

2 - secondary snare.I'want to add a secondary snare to my setup.i'was thinking about a 12x5 snare.what do you thing? for some songs that go more on a POP style can be helpful? (my main snares is too much dark,14x6.5..)

Yes a 12x5 will offer a completely different sound from your main snare.I really like it.

3 - double bass pedal exercise.Iyou always told us that you not consider yourself a PURE double bass drummer.And i wanna told you that i'm not a double bass lover.But i understand that double pedal can be added on the music with triplets,quartets, flams...You teach me this.And i found those thing very curious..What exercise you can suggest me??

Sorry but I haven't got any double bass drum exercises at the moment. I'm thinking about making some because so many people keep asking me about it. I'm sure there's some great double pedal books out there somewhere.

Hi fddrummer,

The piece was in 19/8 - did you program this track on your laptop? Also - do you have the track available anywhere - I would love to practice to it if it's available somewhere. Thanks again!

The piece is called "19 Days" and it's from my newest DVD Rhythmic Horizons.
http://www.burningshed.com/store/por...collection/23/

There's a play-along version of it on there + a midi file version too. On that Frankfurt performance the track was being played from my laptop but it was a stereo mix of all the played instruments + a click.

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hey gavin, I just wanted to say that I got the Nil Recurring EP in the mail this week and it is excellent. I really love the entire thing. It's a shame that less people will probably hear it since it probably has a much more limited release than a full album, I love it just as much as fear of a blank planet. Keep up the awesome work!

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Hi Gavin,

I know you've been asked this before, and if you have can you direct me to that thread.

In Absentia: track 9 @ 3:20-25 (only if you still remember) what are you doing there as far as a fill?

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Hi Gavin.

Hope all is well. Enjoy your playing and PT.

I read an article were you talk about an instructor that you had, he would have you hit coins with your sticks to control your sticking. Can you please explain? Did he place coins on all of the drums or just the snare drum?

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Just came back from the Porcupine Tree concert in MEXICO...
Congratulations! you did a great job, i'm very pleased and satisfied with your performance.. your drumming was just unbelievable.. it seems like you improvise a lot and i really like how sometimes your fills sound like you're pulling back the groove but then you just come back.. amazing..
And that beat you did on the second or third song, where there's a silence and the song starts to feel like it's on 5 but then you come in with something really weird on the ride cymbal..but somehow following the 5 pattern with the snare , or i dunno, didn't analyze it much.. it was just incredible,, ( I've just started listening to PT, so i dunno the titles or exactly what you were playin if you played it like that on the record, sorry)...

Anyway. Congratulations and i hope you enjoyed it.. it seems like you did.. It was pretty funny when the singer's guitar cable fell off the guitar...
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Hi crookedrook,

In Absentia: track 9 @ 3:20-25 (only if you still remember) what are you doing there as far as a fill?

I imagine that you're talking about "Creator Had A Mastertape" - I don't have the album with me and I can't remember that fill exactly - but I think it has come up before on this thread - so you might need to look back through it.

Hi reg,

I read an article were you talk about an instructor that you had, he would have you hit coins with your sticks to control your sticking. Can you please explain? Did he place coins on all of the drums or just the snare drum?

One small coin taped to a practice pad for accuracy of stroke.

Hi aegir77,

And that beat you did on the second or third song, where there's a silence and the song starts to feel like it's on 5 but then you come in with something really weird on the ride cymbal..but somehow following the 5 pattern with the snare , or i dunno, didn't analyze it much..

Glad you enjoyed the show. That track is called "What Happens Now" and the part you're referring to is like this. It starts with a guitar in 5/8 and then I play in 7/8 with the bass drum & snare drum - on top of that I play a dotted 8th note on the ride cymbal. The bass joins in with a pattern in 7/8 (chords change every 4 bars) and the keys and guitars join in the dotted 8th note. Eventually that dotted 8th becomes an 8th note in 12/8 as we modulate into a different feel. Make sense?

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Glad you enjoyed the show. That track is called "What Happens Now" and the part you're referring to is like this. It starts with a guitar in 5/8 and then I play in 7/8 with the bass drum & snare drum - on top of that I play a dotted 8th note on the ride cymbal. The bass joins in with a pattern in 7/8 (chords change every 4 bars) and the keys and guitars join in the dotted 8th note. Eventually that dotted 8th becomes an 8th note in 12/8 as we modulate into a different feel. Make sense?

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Thank you it makes sense now... It's a very cool song.( i've listened to it more) . and that part is crazy but amazing..

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Hi Gavin,

This is my first time posting on your message board, and I'd like to say, first off, that I'm absolutely blown away by how heavily you interact with your fans. It's great stuff.

I'm interning at a recording studio, so I'm starting to focus heavily on recording technique. As a drummer, I think your drum recordings are phenomenal and plan to use them as a reference for my recordings. I know a large part of the sound comes from your development of tone and texture, but I have a couple questions from the technical end:

1)I read you prefer to record in the dry room and add ambience later via room mics placed in the live room. Since you're recording in a dry room, do you do anything to create a more live sound? For instance, placing a stack of rocks under the snare to create some diffused reflections.

2)Also, it seems on all of your recordings you have a really clean rendering of your drum kit and not much signal processing. Do you do anything to isolate components of the drums (snare from hi-hat). And do you further reduce bleed with noise gating or any other processing?

Thanks in advance.
I'll be heading over to Alabany for your show on the 18th (too expensive here in NYC), so I'll see you soon.
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Hi flyinghelmets,

For instance, placing a stack of rocks under the snare to create some diffused reflections.

wow, I've never heard of that before - but I do like experimenting so maybe I'll give it a go.
I don't generally do much to the dry room or add much eq as I record.

Do you do anything to isolate components of the drums (snare from hi-hat). And do you further reduce bleed with noise gating or any other processing?

I have - when playing hard open hi hat passages - improvised a piece of foam around the snare mic to try to stop so much hi hat going into the snare channel. I try to adjust my own dynamics as much as I can to suit the kind of mix I'm going to want. There's no need to play the hi hat really loud if you don't want to hear that much of it in the final mix. Likewise with the other drums and cymbals. For instance when I recorded the GH&05ric record I wanted to get quite soft and long crash cymbal sounds so I just tried hitting them much softer than usual. I went through a phase of wanting every crash cymbal burst into a very fast crash and then decay away quickly - now I'm thinking I want more of the opposite.

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