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Old 09-14-2011, 08:59 PM
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[i] Anyway, I'll bet in 6 months she'll be looking for new band members. Just a hunch.
Please try out again if they are looking in 6 months and please please nail the audition and pretty please for the sake of all of us tell them thanks but no thanks!
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:21 PM
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Rogue, maybe I missed it along the way, but are these people any good? (other than the keys player you mentioned) This singer seems to do a lot of auditioning of players. Is it worth jumping through hoops?
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:40 PM
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Please try out again if they are looking in 6 months and please please nail the audition and pretty please for the sake of all of us tell them thanks but no thanks!

At this stage I'd love to have her call begging and tell her thanks, but no thanks. I'm busy with other bands gigging and making lots of money.

Rogue, maybe I missed it along the way, but are these people any good? (other than the keys player you mentioned) This singer seems to do a lot of auditioning of players. Is it worth jumping through hoops?

From what I have seen, she's being way, way too picky for the amount of money they make. She had to shut the band down for about 3 months due to no gigs, so what does that tell you? Every time I have run into her she has a new crew. And she's trolling Craigslist and word of mouth for players, so it is what it is - an amatuer band that gigs on the weekends and hopes to make $40 - $50 a player per weekend night. Maybe the occasional corporate gig or party. I'm beginning to suspect she's a bit difficult to work with?
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Old 09-15-2011, 07:24 AM
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Please try out again if they are looking in 6 months and please please nail the audition and pretty please for the sake of all of us tell them thanks but no thanks!

At this stage I'd love to have her call begging and tell her thanks, but no thanks. I'm busy with other bands gigging and making lots of money.

Rogue, maybe I missed it along the way, but are these people any good? (other than the keys player you mentioned) This singer seems to do a lot of auditioning of players. Is it worth jumping through hoops?

From what I have seen, she's being way, way too picky for the amount of money they make. She had to shut the band down for about 3 months due to no gigs, so what does that tell you? Every time I have run into her she has a new crew. And she's trolling Craigslist and word of mouth for players, so it is what it is - an amatuer band that gigs on the weekends and hopes to make $40 - $50 a player per weekend night. Maybe the occasional corporate gig or party. I'm beginning to suspect she's a bit difficult to work with?
And there are some people who just always have one oar in the water or have to fire somebody (or everybody) to make themselves feel good. I was in a band in Dallas who's leader is like that and he's one of the biggest liars you will ever meet, so much so that all of the big name cover bands have caught on as to how much of a psycho he and his wife are and they have begun to ignore them!

I have never heard you play so I can't judge what the problem and just coming form that backgorund, I've shown up to similiar situations and have someone call off a song that I didn't know. They might look at me and say "why don't you know that song? Every guitar player knows that song!" My response is "How many Rush/Yes/Police/Sting/Peter Gabriel/Level 42/ David Lee Roth songs do you know? I'm a a drummer not guitar player and you can't expect songs which appeal mostly to a guitar player to appeal to everyone else equally as well."

I'm just thinking out loud here, but you may have dodged a bullet here because it sounds as though she's hard to work with and will never find what she's looking for because it doesn't exist. There are going to be too many people in the band for it to be profitable and they are probably too set in their ways to change and adapt to the ever changing music scene. I have been in a Country band similiar to this where one guy knew of a mandolin player and wanted him to join the show. We were working for the door at $5 a pop. I told him that the mandolin player could come out only if he could bring in more people to make up for the extra memeber we would have to pay or he would have to play for free. End of discussion. Moral of the story; just because you want something doesn't mean that you can have it. 3 guitars is excessive and is only going to lead to problems given that guitar players are extremely territorial!

The number of people in the band, btw, is the reason why many bands are now using sequences. $800 divided by 7 is less than $115 per member. $800 divided by 4 = $200 per member and now you are talking about the possiblity of making a living.


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[i]I'm sorry - did you say 3 guitars? And a keyboard player? And a female singer? And then they find a bass player sometime down the road? Is anyone else doing a body count here? Unless they are doubling instruments - i.e. keyboard player also plays guitar, female singer plays keyboards as well, you are already talking about six to seven band members. How much did this gig pay? Just food for thought as this makes it a smaller piece of the pie!

Hey Skitch, yeah that was a bunch! The leader held a combo audition / jam session, so it was difficult to tell who was there for what. The leader played guitar, there was another guitar player who was a new member of her band, she was trying out another guitar player for the band that kept flubbing his lyrics - so that is 3 guitar player. She was looking for a bass player, and a drummer. A steel pedal player was getting set up to try out for the band, so I am assuming 3 guitars, a steel pedal player, a bass player, and drummer. I'm not sure if the keys player was actually part of the band or if was just there to jam. So that's 6 players in the band. Kinda a small piece of the pie.

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Okay, so now the band is up to 8 members possibly. How much does the gig pay total? At $50 per member that's $400. You dodged a bullet.

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what kind of music were you hoping to play when you were a-looking for a band to join ?
Still old fart music but more upbeat like in my group before this one - Cream, Beatles, Hendrix, The Who and rocked up Motown tunes (e.g. Reach Out, Keep Me Hanging On). The only songs that made it across from that band were SOYL and Thrill Is Gone.

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Yep, no point mollycoddling sensitive souls who needs optimal conditions to perform. If everyone who auditions has to put up with all those handicaps then someone is going to handle it better than the others.

Naw, I go to blues jams in the area sometimes and it's come as you are, sit and play with whomever is up in the rotation, play on someone else's kit you can't adjust and you get the luck of the draw as far as songs or players are concerned. I love doing it randomly like that. It keeps your skills sharp. What I was referring to was I didn't even get my ass on the throne before they started playing. It was a little stage area and I had to negotiate speakers, cables, mic stands, more cables, some stools, coupla drinks sitting on the floor, coupla beer bottles, and who knows what else. Being the outsider in this environment (judging by the way everyone looked at me when I walked in) I sure didn't want to knock over someone's beer sitting on the floor, water bottle, accidently pull out someone's speaker cord, mic cord, or trip over some other cable. Plus the drum set was smashed as far against the back wall as possible and the friggin' snot-nosed redneck guitar player had his amp right by the hihat stands so I actually had to step over that damn thing, move the hats, and contort myself to even get to the throne. Knocking crap over - THAT would have not gone over so well. LOL
ROFL - they really gave you the rounds of the kitchen! Cool experience - definitely something to learn from but, yeah, I wouldn't play with a band like that unless they were brilliant (ie. Groucho Marx Syndrome). As someone said earlier, they failed your audition :)
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Please try out again if they are looking in 6 months and please please nail the audition and pretty please for the sake of all of us tell them thanks but no thanks!

At this stage I'd love to have her call begging and tell her thanks, but no thanks. I'm busy with other bands gigging and making lots of money.

Rogue, maybe I missed it along the way, but are these people any good? (other than the keys player you mentioned) This singer seems to do a lot of auditioning of players. Is it worth jumping through hoops?

From what I have seen, she's being way, way too picky for the amount of money they make. She had to shut the band down for about 3 months due to no gigs, so what does that tell you? Every time I have run into her she has a new crew. And she's trolling Craigslist and word of mouth for players, so it is what it is - an amatuer band that gigs on the weekends and hopes to make $40 - $50 a player per weekend night. Maybe the occasional corporate gig or party. I'm beginning to suspect she's a bit difficult to work with?
If you stop hitting yourself in the head with a brick,it will feel much better.

Having said that...don't give up,keep playing/practicing.Confidence usually increases with skill level.Make your own set of rules for an audition,such as knowing the tunes in advance..I have nothing against playing on the fly,but if you don't know the stops or changes....you don't know,then its just a jam.,and go find yourself a real band,or better yet,form your own.

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