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Old 10-29-2015, 09:56 PM
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Default Anyone actually PREFER long lugs?

My first set of Tama Rockstars came with those LONG lugs which only seemed to emphasize the depth of those drums. As time has moved on, I really prefer low-mass lugs now.

Anyone out there actually prefer long lugs to short ones? If so, what about them do you like?
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Old 10-29-2015, 10:00 PM
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I liked them when I had a set of Yamaha Recording Customs in the late 80s-early 90s, but you didn't have a choice if you wanted Recording Customs, though.
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Old 10-29-2015, 10:01 PM
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Hey Pork Pie!

I always hated the look of those, personally. But I guess some out there could have liked them, right?
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Old 10-29-2015, 10:05 PM
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I like them.

I own a rockstar and a superstar kit, both with long lugs, though in the case of the superstar kit, the lugs don't actually touch the drum for most of their span. More like a bridge over water or something.
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Old 10-29-2015, 10:12 PM
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still got a set of my old export selects that had them.
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Old 10-29-2015, 10:16 PM
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I don't really like the long lugs either. I see them as adding weight, and they detract from seeing the look of the shell. They would not keep me from buying a kit though, if I liked its sound.
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Old 10-29-2015, 10:27 PM
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Never had them.
I think they look fine, but would definitely pose a problem if you're looking to cut down your shells.
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Old 10-29-2015, 10:32 PM
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I liked them when I had a set of Yamaha Recording Customs in the late 80s-early 90s, but you didn't have a choice if you wanted Recording Customs, though.
Actually there was a small window of time when YAMAHA had a custom build program, back when PEARL and SONOR started theirs. YAMAHA thought they had to keep up with the Jones'.

There were some MAPLE CUSTOM kits made (or at least a kit made) with RC long lugs, and a few other oddities made it out the door too. According to Jim Haler, something to the effect of- YAMAHA couldn't stomach some of the requests and so the program was canceled.


PREMIER long lugs the best looking IMO, lightweight too compared to YAMAHA, tho cheap construction.
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Old 10-29-2015, 10:53 PM
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OK, my hand is up. I like the looks of long lugs. My Recording Customs had them, and they were sleek, smooth, and sexy. But, I also like the looks of the Ludwig long lugs. Not quite sexy, but they look manly and rugged. Do long lugs affect the resonance of the shells? No doubt about it. Yes. But how many of us buy those super resonant shells and then equip them with two-ply heads and moon gel? I don't care, as long as the drums sound good.

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Old 10-29-2015, 10:57 PM
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I don't like them. Extra weight albeit small and hides the drums finish.
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Old 10-29-2015, 11:12 PM
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Prefer as in 'seek out instead of short lugs'? I don't know, but I like the way that the chrome offsets the black. In this case the long bit is a fake lug that lies between the upper and lower lug. Best of both worlds, or the worst.

But in the part of the drumming ecosystem that I inhabit, my Exports do just fine. I don't rhapsodise over them, but I don't think that they suck either. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...Pearl Exports...the Toyota Corolla of the drum world...
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Old 10-29-2015, 11:21 PM
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You guys talking about the long lugs affecting the sound need to get a grip. I'd wager that on almost all drum setups from factories, the heads and tuning is really all that matters.

Never in my life have I heard a kit with small lugs and said "man that sounds so much better than my kits, must be the lugs!".

If we're talking about gurus or some other luxury small builder who really thinks about every aspect, then sure, the lugs might come into play with the sound. Usually? No.
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Old 10-29-2015, 11:22 PM
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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...Pearl Exports...
I see your Pearl Exports and raise you... A Tama Rockstar:



On the Rockstar kit, the long lugs were fine. The short lug version of these kits (mid to late 80's with Cannon style blocky lug) were pretty ugly. However, since I am completely re-vamping my Rockstars, I am switching out the high tension lugs for regular individual lugs in a style that is similar to what the Rockstars had, just not that ugly block shaped Cannon crap.

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Old 10-29-2015, 11:47 PM
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While I do not care for long lugs, I do like the look of a tuxedo kit (mid-mount bowtie lugs with long tension rods). I imagine they're a PITA to maintain though.
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Old 10-30-2015, 12:01 AM
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I see your Pearl Exports and raise you... A Tama Rockstar
I see your Tama Rockstar and raise you... A Tama Artstar II



Still my current kit :)
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Old 10-30-2015, 12:13 AM
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I've never liked them. However I would be proud to own an RC kit, to go along with my 88 mod. PTC & 07 BCAN kits. Ha Ha.
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Old 10-30-2015, 12:22 AM
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You guys talking about the long lugs affecting the sound need to get a grip. .
nobody said that, only that they add weight and aesthetically show less shell. Now long LEGS...is a different matter
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Old 10-30-2015, 12:44 AM
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Double ended tube lugs here. However, there are a couple important caveats that differentiate them from, say, those long Pearl Export lugs. 1) They're aluminum, so, low mass. 2) They don't run along the shell, but are suspended above it. 3) They only touch the shell at two points.

Obviously this affects my stave kit more than a typical ply kit, but I also love the look.

In the case of the Superstar Hyperdrive kit, the lugs do travel over the shell and the mass difference by itself is probably not a huge contributor. However, I do feel that the combination of 6 of those bad boys per rack tom (8 per floor) coupled with the high-mass die-cast hoops choked those shells' response (in my experience, having owned one). They look great though. I would probably buy a Silverstar if I did that purchase all over, but, learning, living, etc.
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Old 10-30-2015, 12:51 AM
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...Do long lugs affect the resonance of the shells? No doubt about it.
And then...

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You guys talking about the long lugs affecting the sound need to get a grip.
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nobody said that, only that they add weight and aesthetically show less shell. Now long LEGS...is a different matter
Apart from GDM, you mean?

Legs are indeed a different matter, and resonate well with me.

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Old 10-30-2015, 01:11 AM
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I used to have a Tama Artstar II and loved the long lugs. It's not my preference now but I wouldn't be averse to having a kit with them. If I could get another Artstar for cheap I would jump on it.
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Old 10-30-2015, 01:12 AM
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For me it depends on the kit (and it's time). My late 80's Ludwig with Power Toms looks fine with the long lugs. It is like a piece of time history for me. Other kits I have have the small lugs, also suiting them.

Here's a pic of my long lug Luddy.
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Old 10-30-2015, 01:52 AM
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I think they look cool.
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those all look like marching snares mounted. I don't have a problem with sonically since I think they are not attached to the shell. I would be more concerned with that large triangle mount on the toms.
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What crime did those shells commit to land themselves behind bars?
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What crime did those shells commit to land themselves behind bars?
Luggery, steeling, and reckless endangerment of a minor key, to name a few.
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Long Lugs? Only if that shit is on a Recording Custom......other than that....nope...
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Old 10-30-2015, 05:45 AM
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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...Pearl Exports...the Toyota Corolla of the drum world...
It's funny you compared your Exports to a Corolla. A few years ago I started a thread where I compared all the major drum brands to car brands, and -- you guessed it -- I equated Pearl as the Toyota of drums.

As I put it at the time: "Drums for the masses equates to cars for the masses, plus both are Japanese in origin but have a strong US presence. Plus you could argue that their higher-end kits (Reference, Masters, etc.) are equivalent to Lexus."

I suppose great minds do think alike :)
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Anyone out there actually prefer long lugs to short ones? If so, what about them do you like?
I actually would prefer high-tension lugs (what you call "long lugs") because they impart no stress upon the shell. Normal (short) lugs put a lot of stress on the shell, especially when the heads are tensioned to a higher degree.
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Old 10-30-2015, 06:36 AM
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Length isn't everything. You also need to account for smoothness and tone.
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Old 10-30-2015, 04:19 PM
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While my opinion hasn't changed about the long, beefy lugs, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a boutique set with the long tube lugs, but they would still have to be pretty low mass.




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Long lugs make the damn things look like Craigslist drums.
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Old 10-30-2015, 04:25 PM
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It occurs to me that my Club Date lugs, while not "long", perform a similar or identical function as high tension lugs. And they visually segment the shell like long lugs do so the look isn't that different. So I guess I really do like that look.

I wonder if the lugs being centered and taking much of the tension off the shell while also being small have something to do with these drums sounding so big and open. I love my Club Dates!

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Length isn't everything. You also need to account for smoothness and tone.
Good point but I was referring to tom legs...
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Good point but I was referring to tom legs...
I thought we all were. I get upset if my tom legs aren't smooth and toned.

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Pork Pie's HipGig has long lugs. They look and sound very sweet.
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Good point but I was referring to tom legs...
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... and his legs have a nice tone too :)
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I prefer kits with the long lugs. The one's on my Pearl MLX are quite brittle though & had to change all of them on the 13" Tom. The ones on my Recording Custom look fantastic I think & are of incredible quality :)



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Old 10-30-2015, 10:49 PM
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I have 2 Mach Lug kits:

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These drums sound fantastic, and so does my standard large Classic Lug kit.

I LOVED the Yamaha RC kits when they were becoming popular in the 80's.
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I like long lugs, I use them to play cascaras on without damaging the shell.
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