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Old 02-11-2014, 06:41 PM
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Default How much air is in between your hi-hats?

A little bit of an odd question, and couldn't find a discussion on it already, so figured I'd ask.

I normally keep my hi hats pretty close together. Maybe it's my stand combined with what I'm used to, but when there's too much air in between my hats I find it difficult to get full control of 'em. As Im starting to include more latin stuff in my playing, I've been practicing splashing the hi-hats with left foot. I feel like how Im used to it is too tight to get a good splash, but when I put more air in them, it's more difficult to control.

Sorry if its already been discussed, but how much space do you guys like in your hats?
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:46 PM
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About two fingers. Literally, I adjust it so I can just barely fit two fingers in between the cymbals. "Splashing" the hats is one of my favorite moves. Once a week I share a kit with a few other guys who always set the hats super close together so they are barely moving. I never understood that.
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:56 PM
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It varies for me. I have a set of Sabian HHX Evolutions that are really heavy. I keep them about 2 fingers apart. I have a set of Paiste Rudes that are significantly lighter and have a great sizzle when they are touching. I keep them pretty close and loose.
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:57 PM
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Two important factors in getting a good sound from the hats when you use ther pedal. One is the distance (air) between the cymbals themsevles. The other is how loose the top hat is in the clutch. Both of those will affect the sound as the cymbals come together. I do almost zero splashing of the hats with the pedal so I keep mine very loose in the clutch and only about 1/2 inch between the two. I play a pretty good combination of single and double bass, even within a sigle song, so to have them too far apart leaves them really wide open when I use my left foot on the bass drum pedal.

From what I have seen from other guys about an inch seems to be the norm.
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:05 PM
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Not that much - between an inch and two fingers. Probably less than the average. Enough to get some splash sounds.
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:09 PM
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Mine are pretty far apart, about 2.5 - 3". I like being able to have my foot pretty close to parallel with the floor when the cymbals are closed.
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:14 PM
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A little bit of an odd question, and couldn't find a discussion on it already, so figured I'd ask.

I normally keep my hi hats pretty close together. Maybe it's my stand combined with what I'm used to, but when there's too much air in between my hats I find it difficult to get full control of 'em. As Im starting to include more latin stuff in my playing, I've been practicing splashing the hi-hats with left foot. I feel like how Im used to it is too tight to get a good splash, but when I put more air in them, it's more difficult to control.

Sorry if its already been discussed, but how much space do you guys like in your hats?
That is an interesting question. I have been playing some Chinese style clash cymbals, they have a big spherical domed bell, I figured out that the air inside acts as a resonator, so if I hold them close together at the same distance and hit the edges tilting back and forth keeping the same distance, that I can actually get a note, and the note varies with the distance I hold them together while performing that technique. I tried to get the same effect with the hi-hats, but it isn't pronounced, though it motivated me to tweak my setup. If I level the hats, I like maybe a quarter inch, that allows my enough room to splash and chick at low volumes, but maximizes that resonant effect of the air in the cymbal.
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:19 PM
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It really depends on what type of music I'm playing. When I'm playing rock/punk/metal type stuff, I keep the hats about 1/2" apart when open. I don't have any problems getting a good splash that way.

When I'm playing jazz type stuff, I'll put an inch or more between them, but that's for a more defined 'chick' when keeping time with the left foot.

Maybe it's technique? I always splash by dropping my heel at the back of the footboard, just above the hinge. I've never had any problems that way.
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:21 PM
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I keep mine farther apart than most of my friends, who keep their hats pretty low. I'm usually somewhere between an inch and two fingers. I have skinny fingers, so that's only a half inch's difference. I do a lot of left-foot time keeping and I can't really do that if my hats are any closer together.
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:02 PM
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Never really paid much attention to the distance between the hats. I play a single pedal so my foot is always on the footboard. I set my bottom cymbal to a comfortable height and the top cymbal so that my foot is in a comfortable position when the hats are closed.
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:04 PM
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Depending on how loose the top hat is. If it's very loose then more space than if the top hat is tight.
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:54 PM
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don't forget tilt in the equation.
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:28 AM
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Not very much at all. I don't use a hi-hat clutch, and I don't want them to be too open during a double bass run.

If I'm playing single bass, I'll open it up a little more. Maybe an inch at most. I don't need that much space.
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:59 AM
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... I like maybe a quarter inch, that allows my enough room to splash and chick at low volumes, but maximizes that resonant effect of the air in the cymbal.
+1. For me the distance between the hats determines the volume range. So I like them very close together, 5-10 mm and since I can never get them level there is hardly any gap at the closest point.
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:16 AM
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almost touching (double bass player). any farther apart and they sound all clangy and gongy when hitting them open, although I can't get an audible chick out of them this way. it makes me sad :(
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:44 AM
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I have my main hats set at about an inch, although that varies depending on the style of music/song I'm playing.
My aux hats are set to be ever so slightly open, although again, that depends on the song I'm playing.
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Old 02-12-2014, 04:03 AM
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don't forget tilt in the equation.
I'm a full tilt guy. And so the hats sit at about an inch apart on the tilted side and an inch and three quarters at the widest part.
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Old 02-12-2014, 04:58 AM
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Default Re: How much air is in between your hi-hats?

If I was playing single kick I'd have them just under an inch apart like I used to, but since I need to be able to take my foot off the pedal and still get a good half-open sound they're much closer together.
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Old 02-12-2014, 05:02 AM
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About two fingers but my fingers are pretty fat. :)

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Old 02-12-2014, 05:17 AM
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Probably 2 to 3 fingers apart, but I play single kick and like to use the hats to help keep some time and to add almost a ghost note type feel. Alot like Bonham did, I even use a ching-ring/tambourine on my hats for a little extra fill. I would not give up the ching-ring for the world. I can play them much closer without a problem, but I play straight-up Rock n Roll all the time. I do not use much tilt, but since I play openhanded, I keep my hats far lower than most drummers.
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Old 02-12-2014, 10:15 AM
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I took notice tonight. It's an index finger's width. Not much tilt at all. Just a slight tilt.
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:45 PM
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I between one and two fingers... ish. I don't really think about it. 1/2" to 3/4" ...

Very little tilt for me too. Maybe 1/8"-1/4" elevation difference between each side of the bottom hat
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:19 PM
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Bottom hat tilted toward me about 1/4 inch (6 mm) lower than the back. When at rest, the back of the hats are about 3/4 inch (20 mm) apart; with my foot on the pedal, that distance closes to about 3/8 inch (10 mm) in the back.

With that arrangement the hats can chick, sizzle, bark and splash just fine (though not at the same time!).
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Old 02-12-2014, 09:12 PM
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i like my hats just short of touching when I fully release the pedal...just short including what play('wobble') I leave in either cymbal - as a function of how rigidly I mount the cymbals.

i like to have no 'sizzle' sound when i quickly release the pedal from full engadement....but the smallest distance to having the cymbals touch eachother.

From there, it depends on how tight i mount the cymbals...which can vary depending on need.
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Old 02-12-2014, 09:17 PM
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about 1/2 of an inch.

I try to keep it as small as possible while still being able to get a click from the pedal and have it not be too sloshy when playing open.
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:23 PM
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Just measured it. My hats are 12mm apart.
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Old 02-13-2014, 08:42 PM
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3 fingers apart with a loose top hat.
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Old 02-13-2014, 09:30 PM
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About 3 inches apart. I don't like them touching when my foot is off the pedal. Decent tilt, maybe 30 degrees.
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Old 02-13-2014, 11:20 PM
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I like enough space that they don't touch when the pedal is up. My criteria for adjusting that space is done with consideration of how far I want my left ankle bent when the cymbals are
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Old 02-23-2014, 11:53 PM
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Very little space - just enough so if I have no foot on the hi-hat pedal, there's half to maybe three-quarters of an inch of space, and the top hat isn't stiff in the clutch. I prefer a slightly washy open sound so I rarely play them wide-open; in general I don't like the clangy sound that seems to result. That being said, I've never recorded myself playing them that way - it might sound better "from the outside" than I think. Something new to try!
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Depends on the song I'm playing. If the song has either an open or closed hat sound for the majority, I pre-adjust the hats to be more open or closed accordingly beforehand. Sometimes distinctly separated, sometimes lightly touching. I find that it reduces the amount of focus and effort necessary for my left foot to operate them as needed. On average though, I'd say they're rarely farther apart than 1/8".
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Old 02-24-2014, 12:50 AM
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I guess I'm about average. I can get my thumb in between both cymbals when the hat is open.
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Old 02-24-2014, 01:11 AM
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Probably 1/8" to 3/16". Playing double kick I will sometimes keep my left foot on both pedals so I can get some accent work going, and other times I will just let them slosh. When only playing single kick I usually bounce my foot on the pedal. I don't remember if this is why I keep them so close, but I found out very early on I don't like them wide open.
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Old 02-24-2014, 01:24 AM
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When open, the air ranges from around 1/3" on the tilt side to 1.5" on the open side. Top hat quite loose and clutch? tension is fairly tight, so it doesn't take much effort to open/close.
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Old 02-24-2014, 01:28 AM
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About 1.5 inches (4 cm), a slight tilt with a medium spring adjustment, the footboard angle is the same as the bass drum pedal. It's a 13" K/Z combination, so the bottom cymbal is fairly heavy and the top is medium weight.
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:51 AM
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With this thread in mine I check where I had my hats sitting at my last gig. It is open enough so that they don't, I'd say maybe 1/2" apart. I thought I set them much more open that I actually do.
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I Guess it varies a lot for me. I had a measurer handy, so right no it's 2,5 cm on one side and about 6 mm on the other.
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