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Old 04-07-2010, 12:00 AM
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Default Timing problems (Even with metronome)

I recorded a drum track for my band today with a metronome (I've been playing for a little over 3 years). I feel like I've been having a lot of timing problems, even while using the metronome. The recording is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTfFWwaJDkg

Please tell me how bad my problem is and what I can do to fix it.
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:11 AM
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To me, it sounded like your fills drag. I have the same problem I am working on.
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:53 AM
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To me its sounds that you've been playing for 3 years. It takes many years of playing and practicing to fully internalize a meter. don't be discouraged there are drummers that have been playing for 10 years that sound like you. Keep playing it will come, just have fun doing it.
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:59 AM
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Don't get discouraged. Keep practicing with the metronome. It just takes time and effort. Even when you do get a solid clock other band members can tend to push and pull you all over the place. The only thing that really stood out for me was the transitions from hats to ride, the first few ride notes were lazy causing you to fall behind for a short time.
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Old 04-07-2010, 03:26 AM
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I know this is a real hard thing to do, but you're fills should groove more, they seem to seperate phrases too much. You can try and do a steve jordan like thing and use open hits on the hi hat, or just don't travel to the toms, stay on the snare hat and bass?? Just somethings that helped me
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Old 04-07-2010, 04:42 AM
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Sounds alright, as the others have said it takes quite a lot of practice to really internalize time, and to me it sounds like you're on the right track. Keep up to good work, and especially keep recording yourself! (Recording is such an overlooked element of practice and mastering time).

Don't forget to practice slow! When we play fast music we are training important skills like speed, endurance, and instinct. When we practice slowly, we are training equally important skills like feel, and sensitivity for the time.

Here's a great exercise to try out; get out your practice pad, set your metronome to 40bpm and then tap both your sticks to the beat. Really try to pay attention to how your sticks are lining up. Are your sticks flaming? Make sure they are bouncing together. Then address your timing; As you tap to the beat, ask yourself; are my sticks hitting before the beep or after? We're talking about milliseconds of difference here. You'll have to really open up your ears to hear it. Now, don't worry if you find that you're not always dead on with the beat. The point of this exercise isn't really to bury the click, but to open up your ears to your timing. Really try to be your own judge. If you can't tell the difference right away, keep at it, it will start to come to you.


Also, as a side note, I know everyone has their own tuning preferences, but to me your toms sound like they have had the life sucked out of them. You might want to try tuning them a little higher so that you can get some more bounce from your sticks. That might help.

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Old 04-07-2010, 08:46 AM
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Your problem is not that bad! 3 years? Impressive!

It's funny, I would tell someone to record themselves playing to a click, and listen to it carefully. But you've done that already. Your fills and transitions drag a bit. Some drummers have the opposite problem, where they rush these things.

What to do about it? In your case, I suggest you broaden your experience, and continue to use a metronome. Take some lessons, learn left hand and bass drum independence against the jazz ride cymbal pattern, the bossa nova, some sambas, the songo, a Wilcoxon snare solo or two, the purdie shuffle, every fill in Dyer Mak'r, etc.

It would also help to do exercises and drills that force you to switch subdivisions often (8ths, triplets, 16ths, 16th triplets, 32nds), with a metronome. How accurately you can play these subdivisions will ultimately determine how good you "inner clock" really is.
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Old 04-08-2010, 02:04 AM
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Try subdividing. That helps so much.
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For three years of playing you sound great.

Just keep putting in your time and it will come.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:55 PM
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What is happening with your left foot ... when you are on the ride cymbal and when you are playing hi-hat?

Try to develop the left foot to play time when you are doing fills ... it helps the band know where the time is ... and it is a reference for yourself when you play fills. For practice, get the left foot playing quarter notes ... play the fills and keep the left foot going.

When you get the technic down ... you can play longer and more complex fills.
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Old 05-24-2010, 10:59 PM
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Yes, left foot is a great technique. Think of your left foot as your metronome. When playing the H-H use your heel to keep time. You must relax and think steady pulse.
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