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Old 05-23-2019, 02:34 AM
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Anyone played one of these beasts?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...e-double-pedal

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Old 05-30-2019, 04:12 PM
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I can't even afford to look at one. :)

No, I've never played one, but I'd like to give one a try. When I got my DW 5000 pedal, I was (and still am) very happy with it. Then they came out with the 9000, and I thought "How much better could this pedal actually be?" Well, I now own a 9000 AND a 5000. I asked that same question whenever this machined pedal came out. I don't want one, but I am a little curious as well.
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Old 05-30-2019, 04:28 PM
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$1,000.00 wow.

I could buy a used car for that.
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Old 05-30-2019, 04:47 PM
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I dunno, people gripe about the price of pedals, but stuff is simply expensive on drums. "Good" double pedals are $500+, top of the line for most brands is $700, so we're talking about a $300 premium. I'm not saying it's not expensive, but it's like half a nice ride.

Personally, I'd pay if it was "awesome", but certainly don't want to waste that kind of money if it's just a fancy gadget (and I'm leaning toward that notion). I'm going to go see one in person soon, maybe today. I also want to see the demon drive. I think my default will be the Speed Cobra if it feels right to me, based on descriptions and reviews.
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Old 05-30-2019, 05:02 PM
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That would buy me a great set of drums!!!
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Old 05-30-2019, 06:29 PM
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I just can't get past the floating heel plate and adjustable DD linkage. These look like weak points to me. If someone had a heavy foot and likes to stomp the crap outta their pedals, these two points look like the first to go. If that heel plate bends, your footboard angle changes. If the nut on the linkage gives way, your footboard angle changes. Plus if the nut gives way, it's done. It will need to be replaced.

The pedal is beautiful. Can't get past my concerns or the price though.
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Old 05-30-2019, 06:35 PM
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It may be stronger if the rear hinge rested on the sole plate
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:46 PM
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I tried the single pedal. Too long a footboard for my small foot. Like my Axis way better.
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Old 05-31-2019, 12:34 AM
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Anyone played one of these beasts?
I have only played the chain drive ones at NAMM, and I was very impressed. I can't afford that much for a pedal though.
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Old 06-02-2019, 12:34 AM
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It may be stronger if the rear hinge rested on the sole plate


Why so suspicious? I do not like this pedal but the engineers did a good job. The heel axis will not move 1/100 mm no matter who plays there. And the asymmetrical connection at the front, that's really fantasy that this connection does not hold.
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Old 06-02-2019, 02:29 AM
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At my age, if the beater moves back and forth, I'm happy.
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Old 06-02-2019, 03:51 AM
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At my age, if the beater moves back and forth, I'm happy.
Nice, thanks for the laugh!

Wait, are we talking felt beaters or hardwood beaters :)
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Old 06-02-2019, 07:38 AM
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At my age, if the beater moves back and forth, I'm happy.
Worst euphemism ever.
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Old 06-02-2019, 07:48 AM
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While my machinist background is moderately limited...

I'm just not seeing $1000 in that pic. That's just steel and aluminum, right?

I'm sure it's a nice pedal and all, but $1k is fishy to me.
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Old 06-02-2019, 01:10 PM
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There was a pair of these for sale on UK Facebook a while ago for 500. Same price as new 9002's. Was mildly curious but think I made the right decision to stick with 9002's. :)
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Old 06-02-2019, 01:35 PM
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While my machinist background is moderately limited...

I'm just not seeing $1000 in that pic. That's just steel and aluminum, right?

I'm sure it's a nice pedal and all, but $1k is fishy to me.
$300 In ali and steel, $700 In DW logo?
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Old 06-02-2019, 01:45 PM
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$300 In ali and steel, $700 In DW logo?
I'm waiting for the amazingly slick promo for this product worthy of Hollywood. The wood whisper may have even blended a new steel specifically for this product.
There's your grand.
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Old 06-02-2019, 04:48 PM
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The price of things ramps up quickly when you move out of a high sales volume regime. This is quite common. They have to make up the non-recurring design and machine costs over fewer sales. I wouldn't be surprised if they were mostly giving these away and just wanted to have a showcase top-top of the line thing in the catalog. Just speculation of course.
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Old 06-02-2019, 04:55 PM
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I'm waiting for the amazingly slick promo for this product worthy of Hollywood. The wood whisper may have even blended a new steel specifically for this product.
There's your grand.
They better update their website then. Ain't nothing special about aircraft grade aluminum.
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Old 06-02-2019, 06:53 PM
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$300 In ali and steel, $700 In DW logo?
Those among us that have worked as machinist can...

Guestimate the raw material quantity and size.
Count the pieces and guestimate the number of setups/jigs.
Look at the machining and guestimate the number of retools.

Put it all together, come up with a rough calculation of machinist time, machine time, tooling expense, and assembly time.

$1000 seems steep for this. I'm really not seeing any super-complex geometries. I can understand if they bought a CnC and TC bits specifically for this product, and only made 500 of them or something... But you're ultimately paying for a milling machine, and not the pedal.
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