Simple songs, pretty songs... difficult drumming songs?

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Many people talks about hard or difficult drumming to be considerate a good drummer, for example: John Bonham, Mitch Mitchell, Keith Moon, Mike Portnoy, Danny Carey, Mike Mangini
But there's a lot of songs, very cool and pretty songs with somekind of difficult drumming, and many people doesn't appreciate or don't wanna appreciate the beautiful drumming of many songs.
For me, here are two examples

Paul Simon - 50 ways to leave your lover. Steve Gadd on drums
http://youtu.be/298nld4Yfds

Coldplay - Shiver. Will Champion on drums
http://youtu.be/LpwW4iraV3Q

This drumming are very cool, and not easy to perform.
Are you agree with me? y/n why?
Share with us simple and pretty songs, with somekind of difficult drumming.

We can learn so much from these songs :D
 
The drums are a very deceptive instrument. Until you try playing them, it's difficult for a layman to know what's hard to play and what's "easy" to play. I think with most instruments, control at speed is kind of universally acknowledged as "epic" playing, while things that might be much harder to actually play due to limb coordination or a certain feel get passed on by because it doesn't sound out of this world crazy.

I always find it somewhat amusing when some idiot thinks he can just default "play the drums" because, hey, how hard could it be to hit things? I get a small sense of enjoyment from asking them to sit down and play(butcher) a standard rock beat.
 
Playing ballads sensitively is a skill in itself. As is shredding. As is swinging and getting funky. As is rocking out. As is getting weird. Some can do it all. Some are freaks in one area.

You only really appreciate the challenges with each style when the band's playing.
 
Share with us simple and pretty songs, with somekind of difficult drumming.

We can learn so much from these songs :D

This, Jeff Beck, the Pump (Simon Phillips, drums) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfcnIMZq6is

The groove sounds deceptively simple, until you play along with it...

or this, Nik Kershaw, Cowboys and Indians (Vinnie Colaiuta, drums) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd8fTfDK-Vs

Playing a pop/rock song in 3/4 and make it groove like this is very difficult :)


I tend to think that everything is difficult to play, some more than others, and I'm more at ease with certain patterns and grooves, but to get the feel right, the right swing, the right textures, etc... is not as easy as it seems, even when you play a very simple groove.
 
Dont Stop Belivin' people often miss the beauty in complexity ; )


...take that you steve smith wanna-bes butchering away on county fair stages throughout the 80's!

There...I feel better.. : )

Nothing like the resentment of being an over achieving 8th grader cringing while watching the only music entertainment available...except getting far to old before you realize how sad it was to be that way!
 
Shiver is my favourite Coldplay song. I don't think it's as difficult as 50 ways though. Really hard to get the feel for that song. Gadd has the best feel of any drummer.

Apparently Will Champion never practices drums, only when playing at shows. Bad attitude I think, it's not like he's Buddy Rich or something. Coldplay might become a better band if he put some effort in.

This is one of the most brilliant drumming songs I've heard recently, so subtle, doesn't appear anything special cos it doesn't have big show off fills but it is amazing if you analyze it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjecYugTbIQ Two Weeks by Grizzly Bear
 
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Shine by Collective soul I find to be a really good song. Not neccessarily technically challenging, but you have to play it with feeling and a certain flowage-ness, or it just sounds bad. I find that song to sound like a smooth, small river, that just keeps flowing.
 
the one that kills me, is "shimmer" by the band "fuel" it gives me fits trying to play it, sounds simple, but the bass drum part throws off my right hand....grrrrrrrr.
 
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