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Old 01-02-2008, 09:14 PM
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I have to be reading this wrong:

Get the fundamental pitch of the drum by striking the bearing edge with a stick without any heads at all on it.

Do you really want to strike your bearing edges with a stick???
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Old 01-02-2008, 09:23 PM
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I have to be reading this wrong:

Get the fundamental pitch of the drum by striking the bearing edge with a stick without any heads at all on it.

Do you really want to strike your bearing edges with a stick???
That's what I read too. Yikes, no! You NEVER want to strike your bearing edge with anything.

The proper way is to take the heads off and hold the drum by a lug lightly. With a soft mallet or your fist, strike the side of the drum lightly to get the fundamental pitch of the shell.

Personally I don't go through all that trouble. I usually tune my top and bottom heads so they have the same pitch interval between them the theme from Jaws (I forget what that is...a whole step?) I tension my resonant heads until they have a clear resonant pitch first in the area of where I want the pitch of the drum to be within this pitch interval. Then I tension the top head accordingly.
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Old 01-02-2008, 10:13 PM
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I have to be reading this wrong:

Get the fundamental pitch of the drum by striking the bearing edge with a stick without any heads at all on it.

Do you really want to strike your bearing edges with a stick???

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That's what I read too. Yikes, no! You NEVER want to strike your bearing edge with anything.

The proper way is to take the heads off and hold the drum by a lug lightly. With a soft mallet or your fist, strike the side of the drum lightly to get the fundamental pitch of the shell.

Personally I don't go through all that trouble. I usually tune my top and bottom heads so they have the same pitch interval between them the theme from Jaws (I forget what that is...a whole step?) I tension my resonant heads until they have a clear resonant pitch first in the area of where I want the pitch of the drum to be within this pitch interval. Then I tension the top head accordingly.

I'll third that. Don't strike your bearing edge.

I also don't think it's worth the trouble to find the fundamental pitch of the shell. You'd need a pitch pipe or something so you can match the pitch. Then you have to write it down until you get the heads on. You still will have to adjust all the drums in relation to each other. Seems like it's simpler to just tune each drum so they sound good & then adjust from there. I suppose if you have trouble finding a good place to start, then go with it.
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Old 01-11-2008, 11:35 AM
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Howzit all my fellow drummers out there.

I have a bit a problem, or it feels like a problem. I have three drum kits. One standard size kit ( DB percussion), One fusion size 10, 12, 14 and 20 x 16.5 kick (Gretsch) and the other kit 10, 12, 16 and 22 x 18 kick (DDrum Kit). My problem is that I have no issues tuning either of the kits except the 14 x 12 tom of the Gretsch kit. For some or other reason I struggle to get a good quality sound from the tom. I have changed heads ( by the way I use Evans G2 Clear on all my toms) but it just does not help, I even have the Tam tuning dial , but no good results. The problem is I played on various kits that has the 14" tom and they always sound great.

Could it be my tom? or is it the lack of tuning knowledge? Does any-one have the same problem?
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Old 01-11-2008, 12:03 PM
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My problem is that I have no issues tuning either of the kits except the 14 x 12 tom of the Gretsch kit. For some or other reason I struggle to get a good quality sound from the tom.
What is the sound you are looking for? Are the heads in tune with themselves? How are the heads tuned in relation to one another? Different drums have different tuning ranges, and some might work best with a certain type of pitch relation between the heads. For instance, my drums sound best when I tune the resonant heads a perfect fourth above the batter heads, while some other drums sound best when both heads are tuned to the same pitch.
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Old 01-11-2008, 01:11 PM
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The sound I am looking for is a fairly solid but resonant sound. On all my toms I usually tune my bottom heads a half turn tighter than the top head. It works well on all the toms , but the 14" has a personality of its own.
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Old 01-11-2008, 01:19 PM
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thanks man, got it . . . . I will print it and study it . . . . happy drumming
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Old 01-12-2008, 01:45 PM
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Sounds to me like it may be a quirk of those particular heads and/or that particular drum.
You sound like you're competent with your tuning abilities.
I'd check it against another drum of same make/model/size/heads and see if that's not whats going on here.

But go ahead and see what the Drum Tuning Bible says (I assume that's what you're "studying").
Prof. put lots o' good info in there.



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Old 01-24-2008, 06:29 AM
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... My point is, try tuning the bottom heads of your toms a minor third higher on the bottom. It helps to control the amount of sustain, has a pitch relationship with the top head so you don’t have dissonance between the two heads, and gives the drum some life. Now, to reduce more unwanted overtones, you should get the drums in tune with themselves. If you have 2 inch differences between your toms (i.e. 10,12,14,16) your drums will probably lend themselves to be tuned a major third (four notes) or a fourth (five notes) apart. If your toms are not 2 inches apart and configured differently, go with an interval that’s appropriate. For instance if you have 12” and 13” toms, you may want to tune them a minor third apart. If your drums are say 10”,13” and 16” like mine, try tuning in fifths.

For the record, here are the tom sizes on my kit, the heads I use and how I tune them. If nothing else, it can be a point of reference, but every drummer that has played my kit, even some famous players, have loved the way they felt and sounded.
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The 10” tom has the top head tuned to a “B” and the bottom head a minor third higher to a “D”. The 13” tom has the top head tuned to an “F” and the bottom head a minor third higher to a “G#”. The 16” floor tom has the top head tuned to a “B” and the bottom head a minor third higher to a “D”. They sound and feel great, no overtones or snare buzz. Please post some comments if you try this technique, or if you just want to say stuff about it. Good luck and happy tuning!!
I'm new here and this thread is old, so I don't even know if cd21 is still around anymore...

But what I want to know is this: when you speak of tuning a head to a certain note, are you listening to the dominant tone when you finger-tap by each lug? Or when you strike the head with a stick? I've been experimenting with this. I have a tom sitting on a blanket-covered table, so the reso (for example) is on the bottom and totally dead. The batter is in tune, meaning equal head tension at each lug. If I tap it by the lugs - either with a stick or my finger - I get a certain dominant pitch that can be associated with a note a keyboard. If I strike the drum with a stick in the center of the head, while it's in that same position, I get a dominant pitch that is not identical to the former.

When you say you've got your 10" tom tuned to a B, is it the lug-tap or an open stroke that's a B?

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Old 01-24-2008, 08:12 AM
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I probably don't have any business posting here since I'm guessing that you guys are all rock drummers and I'm rather an old guy. But what I do, once the new heads are well placed and stretched on the shells, is to first adjust the tension on the batter head to suit the way I play. I rely on a decent amount of "bounce," so I adjust the tension to give me just the feel I'm looking for. Then I adjust the tension on the bottom head for pitch, and there isn't a great deal a variance there. A good drum will always sound good if you get your heads vibrating correctly.
As far as pitch is concerned, that's not all that important to me. A good drum will "sound" at its natural resonant capacity. If you try to make it too high or too low then you're wasting a good drum.
Look at it like this: you wouldn't want your drum to feel like you're playing on a table, nor would you want it to feel like you're playing on a mattress. You want it to feel like you're playing on a drum, and you want the drum to sound as good as it's made to sound. Head tension is very important, but pitch is rather beside the point as long as you have a well made drum.
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Old 01-24-2008, 08:48 AM
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Head tension is very important, but pitch is rather beside the point as long as you have a well made drum.
The heads' tunings also affect the drum's timbre. With different intervals between the heads one can tune a drum into many different timbres while keeping one pitch. For me, timbre comes first, pitch second and playing feel (=rebound) third..
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I probably don't have any business posting here since I'm guessing that you guys are all rock drummers and I'm rather an old guy. But what I do, once the new heads are well placed and stretched on the shells, is to first adjust the tension on the batter head to suit the way I play. I rely on a decent amount of "bounce," so I adjust the tension to give me just the feel I'm looking for. Then I adjust the tension on the bottom head for pitch, and there isn't a great deal a variance there. A good drum will always sound good if you get your heads vibrating correctly.
As far as pitch is concerned, that's not all that important to me. A good drum will "sound" at its natural resonant capacity. If you try to make it too high or too low then you're wasting a good drum.
Look at it like this: you wouldn't want your drum to feel like you're playing on a table, nor would you want it to feel like you're playing on a mattress. You want it to feel like you're playing on a drum, and you want the drum to sound as good as it's made to sound. Head tension is very important, but pitch is rather beside the point as long as you have a well made drum.
Jay,

Just a quick note to say thank you for posting that.
I couldn't agree more and its exactly what I look for when tuning my drums.
It's nice to hear from someone who actually wants their drums to sound like a drum.



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Jay,

Just a quick note to say thank you for posting that.
I couldn't agree more and its exactly what I look for when tuning my drums.
It's nice to hear from someone who actually wants their drums to sound like a drum.



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Old 01-26-2008, 09:21 PM
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Technical obsession blinds us to the magic, doesn't it.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:27 AM
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How's it going people?

I've been wondering about some tunning possibilities on drumset... So my biggest question is how to make the drumheads on the toms more muffled without using rings or mufflers... I've learned hot to tune my drumset after beeing at a drumworkshop with an EXCELENT portuguese drummer called Hugo Danin (who studied at the drummer's collective) but the thing that I can't remember from his workshop was hot to make the toms sound "good" without using rings or mufflers....

So should I loosen up my reso heads? like should they be lower or at the same "pitch" as my batter head?

I have them currently tunned a little higher than my batter side and they give the "sound" I want, but not the resonnace I want (I think that's how you say it)...

So any suggestions?
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Reso tune lower will reduce the pitch and resonance little bit.

Take a tom and experiment, you will learn by yourself and there's nothing better.
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Reso tune lower will reduce the pitch and resonance little bit.

Take a tom and experiment, you will learn by yourself and there's nothing better.

thanks bro! ;) i'll do that
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I probably don't have any business posting here since I'm guessing that you guys are all rock drummers and I'm rather an old guy. But what I do, once the new heads are well placed and stretched on the shells, is to first adjust the tension on the batter head to suit the way I play. I rely on a decent amount of "bounce," so I adjust the tension to give me just the feel I'm looking for. Then I adjust the tension on the bottom head for pitch, and there isn't a great deal a variance there. A good drum will always sound good if you get your heads vibrating correctly.
As far as pitch is concerned, that's not all that important to me. A good drum will "sound" at its natural resonant capacity. If you try to make it too high or too low then you're wasting a good drum.
Look at it like this: you wouldn't want your drum to feel like you're playing on a table, nor would you want it to feel like you're playing on a mattress. You want it to feel like you're playing on a drum, and you want the drum to sound as good as it's made to sound. Head tension is very important, but pitch is rather beside the point as long as you have a well made drum.
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I consider myself to be a fairly capable drum tuner. I can get a sound that I am pleased with from my toms (fusion sizes 10,12,14,16). The problem is that when I get my drums tuned to the place where they sound good, the heads are much looser than I would like. I prefer my heads to be really tight. For me it just feels better and I feel like I have much more articulation.

Most drum tuning experts recommend not tuning your toms too tight. Many say to tune just past where the wrinkles are gone. But I just really love to have my heads tight. What can I do ? Are there any certain sizes or shell materials that tend to sound better when tuned really tight ? Does anyone else have this issue ?
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I consider myself to be a fairly capable drum tuner. I can get a sound that I am pleased with from my toms (fusion sizes 10,12,14,16). The problem is that when I get my drums tuned to the place where they sound good, the heads are much looser than I would like. I prefer my heads to be really tight. For me it just feels better and I feel like I have much more articulation.

Most drum tuning experts recommend not tuning your toms too tight. Many say to tune just past where the wrinkles are gone. But I just really love to have my heads tight. What can I do ? Are there any certain sizes or shell materials that tend to sound better when tuned really tight ? Does anyone else have this issue ?
There's two things you can do:

1) Get bigger drums. The larger drums will naturally want to speak at a lower pitch. You'll have to tension the heads tighter in order to enjoy the "sound" you like now.
Don't go too big, either, as there is a range in which any size tom will speak in. You want some overlap between what you have now and the larger size.
Maybe just one "size" up (12,13,16,18).

2) Use a thinner resonant side head. Thin bottom heads give off a darker and more resonant sound. They also seem to lower the pitch a little, thus (just like with the larger toms) you'll need to pull the batter side head up a little tighter to enjoy the pitch that you like.
The sound with a thin bottom head will always be darker and more resonant (more "tympani-like" if you will) compared to a medium weight head or thicker, but you can "balance" that out by pulling the batter side up to higher pitch.


Of the two, I'd say # 2 is the cheaper fix and if you like the sizes you're playing with now, its kinda the only choice.
If you're thinking about another kit, or just don't care, then a combination of both suggestions should give you what you're looking for.

Other than that, the only other thing I can think of is to replace the batter side heads with DOTTED heads.
You don't have to pull them as tight, but playing on the dot will give the drum a more "solid" feel and you might enjoy the same rebound you do with your current heads.




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Most drum tuning experts recommend not tuning your toms too tight. Many say to tune just past where the wrinkles are gone.
Oh yeah and I do have an issue with the above statement.
That's so much BS and I'm sick of hearing about it.
That's a Rock Drummer's perspective and people have been playing Rock for too long.
A tom has a range of pitches that it can speak in. One should know how to work with that range and then find a spot they prefer, or use their knowledge to fit the gig.


..."just past the wrinkles". OOOOOOO!!!!!






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I probably don't have any business posting here since I'm guessing that you guys are all rock drummers and I'm rather an old guy. But what I do, once the new heads are well placed and stretched on the shells, is to first adjust the tension on the batter head to suit the way I play. I rely on a decent amount of "bounce," so I adjust the tension to give me just the feel I'm looking for. Then I adjust the tension on the bottom head for pitch, and there isn't a great deal a variance there. A good drum will always sound good if you get your heads vibrating correctly.
As far as pitch is concerned, that's not all that important to me. A good drum will "sound" at its natural resonant capacity. If you try to make it too high or too low then you're wasting a good drum.
Look at it like this: you wouldn't want your drum to feel like you're playing on a table, nor would you want it to feel like you're playing on a mattress. You want it to feel like you're playing on a drum, and you want the drum to sound as good as it's made to sound. Head tension is very important, but pitch is rather beside the point as long as you have a well made drum.
Although I respect your opinion, I must disagree with the pitch not being important statement. I agree with your point that the drum has to feel good and have the proper tension. That is absolutley correct. But, there is more to it than that in my opinion to truly get the toms to sound musical as a whole. Just as two keys on a piano struck together don't always sound good, some do and some don't, the point is that there is a pitch relationship that can be achieved between the toms and within the parameters of the tension and feel of the drum being right, to make the toms sound better as a whole. Having a correct pitch relationship helps to reduce unwanted overtones and allows the drums to compliment each other when played together or in a pattern. It is a technique used by many drummers (Gavin Harrison gives a detailed example of this tuning on his kit in his posts here on Drummerworld) it's practical, makes sense and truly does make a diffence.
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Thanks for the suggestions Elvis. I'll give #2 a try.
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Old 02-03-2008, 12:56 AM
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Although I respect your opinion, I must disagree with the pitch not being important statement. I agree with your point that the drum has to feel good and have the proper tension. That is absolutley correct. But, there is more to it than that in my opinion to truly get the toms to sound musical as a whole. Just as two keys on a piano struck together don't always sound good, some do and some don't, the point is that there is a pitch relationship that can be achieved between the toms and within the parameters of the tension and feel of the drum being right, to make the toms sound better as a whole. Having a correct pitch relationship helps to reduce unwanted overtones and allows the drums to compliment each other when played together or in a pattern. It is a technique used by many drummers (Gavin Harrison gives a detailed example of this tuning on his kit in his posts here on Drummerworld) it's practical, makes sense and truly does make a diffence.
Agreed CDrums. There is a lot of space between a drum feeling like a table and feeling like a mattress. My drums are tuned to no specific pitch, that I aim for, but they are tuned to each other. ALL FOUR of them.
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2) Use a thinner resonant side head. Thin bottom heads give off a darker and more resonant sound. They also seem to lower the pitch a little, thus (just like with the larger toms) you'll need to pull the batter side head up a little tighter to enjoy the pitch that you like.
The sound with a thin bottom head will always be darker and more resonant (more "tympani-like" if you will) compared to a medium weight head or thicker, but you can "balance" that out by pulling the batter side up to higher pitch.


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I thought too that thinner reso would resonate more until I saw the Bob Gatzen "forgotten head" video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=P2ibBol23hs

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I think the terms he uses are "less mass, less resonance." There is simply less material to resonate.
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It took some time - basically all day - but I think I finally got a grip on CD's tuning method. I must admit, the kit sounds good - round and punchy with a nice, natural interval between toms.

At first I tried matching the pitch to a keyboard, by ear, but that wore me out. My ears started playing tricks on me. I resorted to an acoustic guitar tuner, WHICH, as it turns out, was not only useful but taught me a lesson about tuning and what to listen for. This entire experiment was educational.

I tuned the 10" batter to a B, and the 12" and 14" batters down a major 3rd each. The resos are all up a minor third from the respective batters. The tension on the heads for that range of pitches seems to be what the shells want: between 70-75 on the DrumDial.

The 10" tom still rattles the snare - hence the next technical obsession begins.
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But any well made drum will have a natural resonant frequency that can only be fully exploited by the proper tensioning of the heads, both heads. The two must work together. Looking at it this way you can see that both heads are actually "resonant" heads.
A drum is one vibrating system. All the components in that system have to work together for the whole to achieve its full resonant and tonal potential. No magic, just physics. Very simple.
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I think the terms he uses are "less mass, less resonance." There is simply less material to resonate.
Sorry guys, I think I didn't make my point clear enough.
When I stated that a thin weight bottom head would give off a darker and more resonant sound, I meant its impact on the sound of the drum, as a whole.

Your statements are absolutely correct (as are Bob's). I just didn't convey my point clearly enough.

Again, sorry about that and I am in complete agreement with you guys.






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But any well made drum will have a natural resonant frequency that can only be fully exploited by the proper tensioning of the heads, both heads. The two must work together. Looking at it this way you can see that both heads are actually "resonant" heads.
A drum is one vibrating system. All the components in that system have to work together for the whole to achieve its full resonant and tonal potential. No magic, just physics. Very simple.
"Resonant Head", "Batter Head", "Snare Side Head", Bass Drum Head"...these are all technical terms to convey the purpose and/or the POSITION of the head, when its placed on the drum.
It has nothing to do with how resonant the head is or isn't.




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Old 02-05-2008, 02:31 PM
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I just got my beautiful new Mapex M Birch Cherry Red kit (22", 14", 8", 10", 12", 14"). Nice drumset, really (not only for the price!). I got a nice sound for the bass drum, snare, 8" tom and 10" tom, but I'm not completely satisfied with the 12" & 14" toms. They're inherently OK, but I can't seem to get a really clean sound out of them. Any tips or tricks that you use to do that? How do you obtain your clean sound from 12" & 14" toms?
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:01 PM
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Are you using the stock heads? If so, I'd start by putting quality heads on top and bottom. While doing that carefully inspect the bearing edges. Make sure they are smooth with no nicks or dings. If they are not perfect, return the kit. Good luck.
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You need to figure out the tuning range of your drum and the tuning ranges of the heads you're using. Tune each head into an even tuning within its optimal tuning range, and you shouldn't get any funny overtones. Also experiment with different pitch invervals between the batter and resonant heads -- usually I tune the resonant head a tad higher than the batter in order to further diminsh the overtones emanating from the resonant head.
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:15 PM
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OK... there's a couple of things here.

FIrst off, JUST DIAMETER should not be considered... the size of a drum is it's ACOUSTIC CHAMBER... for example I use a 10" and a 12"... but they're both 8" deep... and my floor tom is 14"x14" this setup was custom made that way.

If in your case the drums are 6"x8" it's very different than a 8"x8" and so on.

So after you consider THAT, you should then figure out what INTERVALS you want between toms...

REMEMBER the drumset is an instrument COMPRISED of instruments... it's like a small ensemble, in which all sounds combine in harmony... sometimes a drummer gets a tone they want from a tuning on ONE tom that DOES NOT MATCH the other toms sizes WITH THE INTERVALS you are going for.

I'd say, start WITH the 14", then the 12"... and BUILD UP instead of build down the tuning.

A good starting point is MEDIUM tension and both heads equal.. and move on from there.

A good tip id to tap the shell WITH A MALLET or your finger and catch the inherent tone of the shell... quality drumsets are tone MATCHED... sometimes you get a drum with a fundamental tone that's higher or lower than what you want to tune it so start with the fundamentals and correct from there... maybe the 10" will not be EXACTLY where you wanted, but you will have a HARMONIOUS drum sound.

AND THEN TINKER... you need to do that to KNOW your drums... each drum is different... if you want to have good tone for each drum and a similar resonance and sustain, you may need to tweak the tuning... ont reso head could be higher than the batter on one drum... another could be equal on both heads, but with a lower tension... stuff like that... get to know your drums, it takes time and patience, but once you do it's like a whole world opening up.. you can sopund anyway you want... it's better to deal with this in principle, instead of just slapping some heads and muffling that will give the tone for you, instead of the shell.
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:22 PM
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Also experiment with different pitch invervals between the batter and resonant heads -- usually I tune the resonant head a tad higher than the batter in order to further diminsh the overtones emanating from the resonant head.
I'm getting new heads soon and I really haven't expiramented much with reso tuning. Anyone else have any suggestions? That's the most common I've heard and I think I'm going to go with that. It would be no use trying now because my stock Gretsch batters are pretty crappy and it would useless toying with the reso's.
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I probably don't have any business posting here since I'm guessing that you guys are all rock drummers and I'm rather an old guy. But what I do, once the new heads are well placed and stretched on the shells, is to first adjust the tension on the batter head to suit the way I play. I rely on a decent amount of "bounce," so I adjust the tension to give me just the feel I'm looking for. Then I adjust the tension on the bottom head for pitch, and there isn't a great deal a variance there. A good drum will always sound good if you get your heads vibrating correctly.
As far as pitch is concerned, that's not all that important to me. A good drum will "sound" at its natural resonant capacity. If you try to make it too high or too low then you're wasting a good drum.
Look at it like this: you wouldn't want your drum to feel like you're playing on a table, nor would you want it to feel like you're playing on a mattress. You want it to feel like you're playing on a drum, and you want the drum to sound as good as it's made to sound. Head tension is very important, but pitch is rather beside the point as long as you have a well made drum.
Dang man, never thought of it like that. That's genius because I too like the feel playing on tight toms but don't so much like the sound of the point where I can get some good rebound on my kit. Will definitley keep that in mind.
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Hi folks,

Ok its not writen in stone but to heres how I do it , as a pro drum tech my work reputation relies on tuning so here you go...

Resonant heads first as this is where the tone comes from - Baater heads 2nd as thins where the attack comes from

Take the batter heads off
Turn all the toms resonant head up and place them on a piece of carpet
tune the bottom heads so they cascade with an even tone ( internation is everything if you want them to sit musicaly in a band situation)
Now hang the toms and start on the batter heads , decide if you want a rise in tone after the strike or a falling tone - batter head lower in pitch and the tone will fall - batter head higher in pitch and the tone will rise.
If the batter heads are properly seated it should only take a turn or 2 of the drum key before they start to work .
You may need a small piece of gaffer tape or moongel to control overtone or ring depending on the make of drum / wood type / head type

Only my oppinion

- Remo Heads are like cheap tyres - they work everywhere but need constant correction after an hour or 2 of playing - will last for years

Evans heads are just a pain in the Arse to get right

Aquarian heads are the Rolls Royce , only ever needs a little tweak , sound very musical and will last if your a good player - Not good for metal punk ect
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Old 02-24-2008, 10:55 AM
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- Remo Heads are like cheap tyres - they work everywhere but need constant correction after an hour or 2 of playing - will last for years
I've never had such experiences with Remo heads. I can dial in the tuning I want and it will stay right there -- unless I'm constantly hitting loud rim shots on a loosely tuned drum.
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I think it depends on the kit , and its only a general observation as actualy I also rarely have had problems with snare drums only with toms . I have founs that a lot of remo heads need to have the folds where the skin is fixed in the hoop `cracked`out properly before you seat them. climate is also an issue over here , moving from warm rehearsal room to cold transport , where as the aquarians are constant.
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decide if you want a rise in tone after the strike or a falling tone - batter head lower in pitch and the tone will fall - batter head higher in pitch and the tone will rise.
I'll see if that is correct as soon as I can; I have had some tuning issues with my 14" tom, I can't get the low rumble I want out of it (I used to be able to) without a very unwanted downward pitch bend. The resonant head might be out of shape somehow but it appears to be fine.
I don't want any pitch bending in my toms, just a clean tone... I can get that from every drum just how I want it except from the 14x11" one, unless I tune it to a higher pitch (that I don't like). Very frustrating. If anyone has any helpful ideas on this that would be great. Batter head is fine, reso head is a stock tama batter head, quite similar to a clear ambassador.
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