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Old 05-28-2018, 12:20 AM
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A lot of us want to keep our gigging gear as light as possible because, you know, we have to carry it ourselves. I often get to the gig first which means I have to bring in my stuff by myself unlike the old days where it was a team effort out of a van. Although that sucked too but anyway...

Basically I wanted to get my gear as light as possible while still using a standard "real" drumkit. So no nesting, super shallow drums or overly small sizes. I also wanted my hardware bag to be easy to handle, not too heavy and still hold everything I needed in ONE bag. It's actually possible.

First the drums. I happen to own some pretty light drums. I have 2 Ludwig Club Date SE shell packs. These drums are light because they don't have a lot of heavy hardware attached to them. I also have a Catalina Club Jazz which is also light compared to USA Gretsch which are pretty heavy. My Brooklyn 18" weighs more than my Club Date 22". I still use the the Brooklyn but the Ludwigs are easier to handle so I use them more often.

But the hardware is usually the thing that is the biggest pain. In order to keep the bag light you have to keep hardware to a minimum and as light as possible. That's easier than ever with all the light options out there now. I also like to have the tom mounted on the bass drum and the floor tom on legs. This means cymbal stands and holders can be light duty 'cause they're not holding up drums as well. I have 2 DW Ultralight cymbal stands, an entry level Pearl hi-hat, no-name brand snare stand that's pretty light and a medium duty Gibraltar bike seat throne. My Ludwigs have a cymbal holder on the bass drum so I often just have that and 1 UL stand. But this will depend on if I'm using a second crash or not. Packing a second UL stand makes a negligable difference.

My bag is an inexpensive "Athletic Works" gym bag bought at Walmart for around $20. I used the first one I bought for years and I'm on my second one now. It has wheels on one end so I can pull it easily while carrying drums/cymbals with shoulder straps. It holds everything including all stands, holders, accessories and carpet and is surprisingly light. I can easily lift it to put in the trunk. I can drag it up stairs pretty easily too which is something I have to deal with. One reason why a cart is out of the question.




I can load in this kit in 2 trips from the car. That's not bad for a full-size 4-piece kit.



Would love to see how other people are dealing with weight hauling issues. Show me your clever solutions to the downside of this instrument that we love.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:57 AM
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You are so right!

It is usually the hardware that makes things difficult. The drums are almost a moot point in this equation. Especially if you're only playing a basic 4-piece most of the time (which I only play these days).

In my case, I have Pearl flat based cymbal stands and snare stands, a DW7500 hi-hat. All of those (plus my floor tom legs) fit into a slender hardware case made by Pearl just for these stands (very handy). My pedal and throne are carried separate, as are my cymbal and stick bags. The size of the drums are inconsequential due to all this weight savings!
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Old 05-28-2018, 01:22 AM
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Drumdevil, what are you doing with your bass drum mic? Does it simply lay on a cloth in the bass drum?
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Old 05-28-2018, 01:39 AM
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Drumdevil, what are you doing with your bass drum mic? Does it simply lay on a cloth in the bass drum?
Yes, it's laying on a small folded towel. It belongs to the guitar player. I believe it's an AKG D112.
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Old 05-28-2018, 03:39 AM
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Similar story to all of the above.

My lightweight kit is 22/12/16 made out of super thin Keller maple shells, with some kind of cheaper hardware. I usually use a Pearl sensitone aluminum snare, which is also super light. In bags, I can carry the whole shell pack in one hand pretty easily.

I got tired of the heavy and bulky hardware bag I was using, and ordered a new Tama Stagemaster lightweight pack with bag. I added another Tama cymbal arm and that whole pack is comfortable slung over my shoulder.

Everything else travels separate and is liable to change from time to time anyway.
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I like that gym bag with wheels.
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drumdevil9 That is impressive. Where did you get that nice lightweight foldable rug?

Anybody have experience with using Gibraltars Stealth Rack. I'm thinking that this would be nice for my virgin kick drum kit. With a cymbal arm, it would replace three stands.

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Old 05-28-2018, 10:35 PM
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Well, my "clever"age would not be viable for most.

I have the reso's off of my kit. So, the bass drum and two toms nest into one bag. Snare and backup snare go into a second bag.

Those bags are feather light to me. [light shells, less rims, easy peasy]

Most of the hardware goes into one mother of a bag. That bag is a back breaker. I'm thinking of bringing a cart/dolly for that to future gigs.
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[quote=Nate'sKit;1562106]drumdevil9 That is impressive. Where did you get that nice lightweight foldable rug?


Nate's Kit, I'm not sure where he got his but mine is incredibly light. I went to Lowe's and got some dark grey indoor / outdoor carpeting for 20.00 and cut it down to as small as possible and still get the bass spurs, hi hat legs, and a couple of my throne legs. I had to buy a standard piece, but made two rugs out of it. When the one I use gets ruined or lost, I have another ready to go.

Weighs about a pound and folds up as small as I need.
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drumdevil9 That is impressive. Where did you get that nice lightweight foldable rug?

Anybody have experience with using Gibraltars Stealth Rack. I'm thinking that this would be nice for my virgin kick drum kit. With a cymbal arm, it would replace three stands.

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Bought at Walmart. It's a 4x3 thin rubber backed carpet for a door entrance or the like. Fairly cheap.

I had a Stealth rack for a while a number of years ago. It's a great rack and smaller than a conventional rack but at the end of the day it's still a bunch of bulky heavy pipes. I wouldn't use it for this kind of light compact setup.
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Kinda on subject, but I had a gig the other night. My setup takes 3 trips to transport by hand (play a Sonor Bop for reference, everything in cases). One of the trips back to my apartment, I was carrying a duffel bag with half my hardware, my cymbal bag, and my stick bag. Decided to step on the scale to see how much it all weighed. About 60-65 lbs. worth of stuff. More than I thought it was.
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Old 05-29-2018, 01:47 AM
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Well, my "clever"age would not be viable for most.

I have the reso's off of my kit. So, the bass drum and two toms nest into one bag. Snare and backup snare go into a second bag.

Those bags are feather light to me. [light shells, less rims, easy peasy]

Most of the hardware goes into one mother of a bag. That bag is a back breaker. I'm thinking of bringing a cart/dolly for that to future gigs.
That is certainly a good solution if you're willing to go without reso heads. And if you don't have to deal with stairs a cart is a good option.
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Old 05-29-2018, 01:49 AM
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Of course, then there's the guitarist in my band who gigs with a giant Marshall stack. I kid you not.

Before I met him last year, I didn't think there was a remaining weekend warrior guitarist hauling something like that to gigs anymore, but, he proved me wrong. That rig is enormous, and the opposite of light. [back to thread topic. :) ]
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Old 05-29-2018, 01:58 AM
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Kinda on subject, but I had a gig the other night. My setup takes 3 trips to transport by hand (play a Sonor Bop for reference, everything in cases). One of the trips back to my apartment, I was carrying a duffel bag with half my hardware, my cymbal bag, and my stick bag. Decided to step on the scale to see how much it all weighed. About 60-65 lbs. worth of stuff. More than I thought it was.
I just stepped on the scale with the bag. I don't know how accurate it is but it's about 45 lbs.
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Anti-Light just the opposite of intent of OP

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drumdevil9 That is impressive. Where did you get that nice lightweight foldable rug?

Anybody have experience with using Gibraltars Stealth Rack. I'm thinking that this would be nice for my virgin kick drum kit. With a cymbal arm, it would replace three stands.

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I bought the DW light hardware set with bag. I added a snare stand for rack tom and a kick mounted cymbal stand that goes with normal rack tom mount goes. It weights about 30 pounds.
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Kinda on subject, but I had a gig the other night. My setup takes 3 trips to transport by hand (play a Sonor Bop for reference, everything in cases). One of the trips back to my apartment, I was carrying a duffel bag with half my hardware, my cymbal bag, and my stick bag. Decided to step on the scale to see how much it all weighed. About 60-65 lbs. worth of stuff. More than I thought it was.
I finally got mine down to less than 45 lbs (no rug in there), playing a 4 piece. I shed a lot of weight by not using anything double-braced that wasn't needed.
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I bought the DW light hardware set with bag. I added a snare stand for rack tom and a kick mounted cymbal stand that goes with normal rack tom mount goes. It weights about 30 pounds.
Amen to that. The Ultralights are a winner. I've gigged 16" hats for the past year or so, also anywhere between 13 1/4-18", and I can't see going back to any of my regular hardware unless it's windy.

Edit: forgot to mention the regular ultralight cymbal stands are the wind heaters. The hh stand and snare stand don't mind the wind.
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With all the outside gigs I play, plus the fact that I'm not mounting anything on the kick, ultralight hardware is not going to work for my situation. But my bandmates each have one of these types of foldable wagons, and I ended up getting my own. I can haul all my stuff in three to four trips, so long as there's no stairs involved.

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I used something like this to haul my climbing gear and saws around on jobs that required that. All the other climbers just humped all their stuff and were jealous of me, ha. They thought it was too pricey.

Definitely a back saver and a great place to sit and take a load off.
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Bought at Walmart. It's a 4x3 thin rubber backed carpet for a door entrance or the like. Fairly cheap.

I had a Stealth rack for a while a number of years ago. It's a great rack and smaller than a conventional rack but at the end of the day [b]it's still a bunch of [/B]bulky heavy pipes. I wouldn't use it for this kind of light compact setup.
Respectfully disagree - i use stealth racks both sides and i actually weighed them against my multi clamp tripod set up and there is literally nothing in it.
I am a fully paid up member of the 'as light as possible' club. I have no qualms about taking a hacksaw to anything to trim weight off. No point in having 8" of cymbal stand down pipe within the rack leg for example.
I agree that it save you less on smaller setups but if the venues you play are tight for room then the footprint reduction alone is well worth it.
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Thereís more to keeping things light than I thought, ďcarryabilityĒ is also an important consideration so shoulder straps, backpacks etc come into play.
I had a Catalina Club 4 piece and now have a Saturn 5 piece. The Saturn is a heavier kit but itís not so heavy that itís uncomfortable and the limiting factor is that carryability I mentioned. Whether a bass drum and cymbal bag are as light as a feather or at the heaviest end youíll ever encounter is not that relevant. I can carry one in one hand and one in the other when loading in as long as the doors are wedged open so weight saving in those isnít a primary concern.
Hardware is the key, like drumdevil9 I use a sports bag bought for about £15 from a catalogue shop. DW UL stands have made a huge difference to the weight and size of bag I need to carry with a couple of caveats. Iíve gone back to using my old single braced Premier hi hat and snare stands as the UL stands for me were too much of a compromise. Another area that Iím struggling with is my drum stool. The saddle top I have doesnít fit easily into a bag and the double braced base is heavy. However thatís another compromise area, I like the planted feel of the base sos Iíll put up with it, I may in the long term look for a smaller round top base though, I always used one in the past so Iím not someone who needs the saddle base. As for my bass pedal, I carry one and a spare in a double pedal bag. The bag has a shoulder strap so itís something I can carry on any trip even if my hands are full.

Strangely while load in is a minimising exercise, load out isnít. At the end of the night with 4 or 5 of us dismantling our backline and PA Iíll often break down just a few items, bag them and get them off the stage and into the car. A few more trips is a compromise (thereís that word again) that makes sense to clear space on the stage area.
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Respectfully disagree - i use stealth racks both sides and i actually weighed them against my multi clamp tripod set up and there is literally nothing in it.
I am a fully paid up member of the 'as light as possible' club. I have no qualms about taking a hacksaw to anything to trim weight off. No point in having 8" of cymbal stand down pipe within the rack leg for example.
I agree that it save you less on smaller setups but if the venues you play are tight for room then the footprint reduction alone is well worth it.
Your comparison is to your other setup not mine. There is no way that a Stealth rack would make my setup lighter or take up less space in my bag or on stage so your disagreement doesn't make much sense. A Stealth is not lighter than a tom holder, snare stand and an Ultralight cymbal stand. Sorry but it just isn't.
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Bear in mind that I am not at the point of playing out yet. More at the point of "What do you do with all of this stuff when you have to move it? Are you all crazy?"

I've only seen rugs that are stiffer and would have to be rolled up in a tube when I have just happened to take a look when I'm in a store. Guess I need to look somewhere else.

Also keep in mind that I am talking about a virgin bass drum with no mounts. I think that the Stealth would be good for that. It would replace a snare stand, tom stand (currently the original Ludwig that holds two toms) and a cymbal stand. But that set of vintage Ludwigs might just stay home so it really wouldn't matter. I don't see it being of as much use for my Rockers that have tom mounts on the kick.

But overall do you think it's a good piece of equipment? Well made and sturdy?
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Well, I'm in an interesting position to weigh in (unintended pun) on this.

My two primary set ups are a 4pc with lightweight hardware, and 5-6pc with a split rack system (not gibraltar, but I modded my pearl icon into much the same thing).

There is no comparison. The common lightweight stands from the usual suspects (DW, Pearl, Tama, etc) are just unbelievably more wieldy than any kind of rack system. It's hard to beat being able to pick up all of your stands with one hand while experiencing no strain.

It's apples and oranges, and for different purposes entirely. I use the rack for a defined purpose: I'm using a bunch of a stuff, I need to get on and off stage quickly, and I don't have any time to fuss with positioning. I think this set up is as light and moveable as can be under the circumstances, but it's not in the same ball park as a lightweight stand pack. Each of my rack sides is marked up for repeatable set up, and they both hold.... 4 items at a minimum. Each wing can be moved as a piece, fully loaded. If I were to actually disassemble all the pieces and put them in a hardware bag/case (all I do is fold up cymbal arms and such), I'm sure I'd be right back into sore back territory.

If all you are replacing is a snare stand, a tom stand, and a cymbal stand, I doubt you will make much, if any, saving on weight. It's going to take more space to transport. You will have a more consistent and solid setup, and your setup time should decrease, as should your stage footprint. I personally do not see the point of having the snare stand as a part of the rack network, I would just opt to keep a normal snare stand and use their side mount in it's stead. Whether or not it's a worthwhile investment depends on how many pieces you're looking to fly off of it and what your other goals are.
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Bear in mind that I am not at the point of playing out yet. More at the point of "What do you do with all of this stuff when you have to move it? Are you all crazy?"

I've only seen rugs that are stiffer and would have to be rolled up in a tube when I have just happened to take a look when I'm in a store. Guess I need to look somewhere else.

Also keep in mind that I am talking about a virgin bass drum with no mounts. I think that the Stealth would be good for that. It would replace a snare stand, tom stand (currently the original Ludwig that holds two toms) and a cymbal stand. But that set of vintage Ludwigs might just stay home so it really wouldn't matter. I don't see it being of as much use for my Rockers that have tom mounts on the kick.

But overall do you think it's a good piece of equipment? Well made and sturdy?
Absolutely yes. Stealth is rock solid, no argument there. And I love the look of it. It's a great option for a virgin kick and a cool alternative to a double tom stand and snare stand.

Understand this all depends on what your gigging (if you eventually do) situation is. I gig a lot in downtown, bad load-in and parking situations. If you're gonna gig in the suburbs or whatever, Stealth rack your heart out. That would totally change my calculus. Or maybe not. Once you go light it's hard to go back. :)
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I just recently got a rock and roller cart. That and I already had a rolling upright Protechtor hardware bag. I use 1 bungee on the cart to prevent spillage.

1 trip fellas. Stairs are a pain, but they've always been a pain. I don't have stairs at nearly all of my gigs, I just roll it right in. No longer do I do the pack mule thing.

Why did I not do this sooner?
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The discussion has shifted slightly from one about lightness of weight to start including convenience and consistency of set up.
Iíve had a rack, if I had a van then I might have kept it because at the end of a gig I could have removed some of the components of the kit and stood the rack on the load bed. But Iíve got a car so I had to break the rack down to its component pipes and load them up. Setting up again was more fiddly and time consuming than using stands but the advantage was that everything was pretty much exactly where I wanted it to be. So in my opinion a rack is neither always the worst option or always the best option, it depends on circumstances.

More subjective are multi clamps. Theyíre not as heavy as stands, however they arenít exactly lightweight as thereís often a fair amount of casting on them. Factor in the time it takes attach and detach them and the need to either have memory locks in place or added time to position things just right and perhaps the compromise of using dedicated stands starts to look attractive. In my opinion one or two clamps for auxiliary percussion are something Iím happy with, building a set up around multi clamps where every stand has one or more extra items attached is something that I wouldnít want to do.

Iíd love a cart and Iíve seen bands in hotels using them, pushing their gear into the lift if necessary, it looks a breeze. But I donít have a van and all of my gigs are in pubs and clubs in the North East of England where split doors, flights of stairs and odd steps are par for the course.

Iím still in agreement with drumdevil9 over the feather weight of DW UL stands. If they were to make a slightly heavier hi hat and snare stand using tripod bases with a slightly wider stance than the flat bases then Iíd go back to 100% UL hardware. My ďgripeĒ is that the hi hat has too much of a wobble (the tripod gripping the vertical tube halfway up would eliminate that) and the flat base and reduced contact area of the tightening clamp on the snare stand havenít instilled confidence in me for the busiest drum on the kit.
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Find myself in a bit of a catch 22 situation here.

Most of my hardware barring my snare stand is double braced, I don't take much (2 cymbal stands/hat stand and snare stand) I mount my ride from my tom post Paice style.

I keep all the stands set up and just unfold the legs to set up, they all fit very nicely into the back footwell of the car. Means a couple extra trips to the car but convenience of set up and pack down it's not too bad.

The DW ultralight pack looks very tasty and I like everything in one case, are the lightweight stands fiddly to get set up/packed down.
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Find myself in a bit of a catch 22 situation here.

Most of my hardware barring my snare stand is double braced, I don't take much (2 cymbal stands/hat stand and snare stand) I mount my ride from my tom post Paice style.

I keep all the stands set up and just unfold the legs to set up, they all fit very nicely into the back footwell of the car. Means a couple extra trips to the car but convenience of set up and pack down it's not too bad.

The DW ultralight pack looks very tasty and I like everything in one case, are the lightweight stands fiddly to get set up/packed down.
If I may direct you to a thread I wrote a short while back that addresses my DW Ultralight experience.

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...d.php?t=141222
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If I may direct you to a thread I wrote a short while back that addresses my DW Ultralight experience.

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...d.php?t=141222
Cheers mate, that kind of confirms the problems I have with them. The snare stands look a bit flimsy. The tama single brace wouldn't be retiring any time soon :)

Nice to see honesty in a review. Most gear reviews now describe a product as the second coming.

This might be a more sensible option:

https://www.gak.co.uk/en/tama-stage-...re-pack/909418
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Old 05-30-2018, 02:57 PM
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Cheers mate, that kind of confirms the problems I have with them. The snare stands look a bit flimsy. The tama single brace wouldn't be retiring any time soon :)

Nice to see honesty in a review. Most gear reviews now describe a product as the second coming.

This might be a more sensible option:

https://www.gak.co.uk/en/tama-stage-...re-pack/909418
That's a belting price for what you get, I think the similar DW UL package comes in at double that!!!
I'd need to feel the weight but if it was on the lighter side of most single braced hardware it would have been a contender if I'd known about it. I'm happy with my single braced hi hat and snare but if I suddenly need a replacement I doubt I'd look past these.
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Cheers mate, that kind of confirms the problems I have with them. The snare stands look a bit flimsy. The tama single brace wouldn't be retiring any time soon :)

Nice to see honesty in a review. Most gear reviews now describe a product as the second coming.

This might be a more sensible option:

https://www.gak.co.uk/en/tama-stage-...re-pack/909418
that's what I use, and it's absolutely brilliant.

On the bathroom scale, the bag is about 41 lbs fully loaded. Bear in mind that I have a Tama tom tree, floor Tom legs, multi clamp, cymbal arm, and a few pairs of sticks tucked away in my bag.

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I have two kits that I use, depending on the venue. My "big" kit, not really huge, but with the 22" kick, and 4 cymbal stands (3 of which have a second arm on them) its kind of a traditional kit. A few of my cymbal stands are the old Tama double braced heavy ones from when I got the kit in 1981...is my gear box heavy? Yes. I use a SBK 48" rolling case, and it is a beast.

I do have a smaller gear set up for my "small" kit, fewer stands, smaller drums.

I have decided tho, that if I get the chance to play, and I have room for the regular gear, I'm gonna use it. I enjoy playing, and I enjoy it more playing with all my "stuff". I can manage the heavy rolling case well enough. There is a ramp on our band trailer, I can get it there.

I understand and appreciate where you guys are all coming from, and its very likely that at some point I'll likely adopt the same philosophy...
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Iím still in agreement with drumdevil9 over the feather weight of DW UL stands. If they were to make a slightly heavier hi hat and snare stand using tripod bases with a slightly wider stance than the flat bases then Iíd go back to 100% UL hardware. My ďgripeĒ is that the hi hat has too much of a wobble (the tripod gripping the vertical tube halfway up would eliminate that) and the flat base and reduced contact area of the tightening clamp on the snare stand havenít instilled confidence in me for the busiest drum on the kit.
I tried the hi-hat at a store and agree it's wobbly. That's why I opted to just get the cymbal stands and go a different route for the hi-hat and snare stand. I prefer those not to be flat-base anyway and the stands I found are light enough.
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I forgot to mention that I recently got the new Tama HP50 pedal which is a real winner. It's light and adjustable for different size bass drums which is great for me as I switch between 18, 20, and 22 quite often. Folds up small too so it fits in the bag with everything else. I put it in a cloth bag to give it some protection.

The Tama classic cymbal stands would have been a contender but they weren't available yet so I got the DW's.
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This has been a great read; lots of great tips/info being shared about a frequently discussed subject. When I was younger I never thought about the weight of my gear, but at 45 I've been looking to lighten my load like so many others. Depending on the venue, I am now able to get my kit inside with 3 trips. Some of the changes I've made in the last few years:
- Swapped out my heavy Saturn 12-16-22 for a 12-14-20 Stage Custom birch (the 3 SC drums feel lighter combined than my Saturn bass drum)
- Stopped using my heavy molded plastic cymbal case in favor of a bag
- I have a Tama IC pedal; left the plastic case at home, put the pedal in one of my hardware bags
- Purged all of my double braced hardware in favor of Yamaha 700 single braced; not the lightest stuff out there but lighter than what I used to have
- I've always carried a duffle bag for things like my stick bag, a towel, miscellaneous stuff; realized I really don't need it
- I have 2 hardware bags; hardware goes into the bag with wheels; stick bag, seat top, mics and rug go into the other non- wheeled bag.
I can carry the kick and toms in one trip, snare and cymbals are the second trip, and lastly I wheel the heavy bag with one hand and carry the light bag with the other. I have not weighed anything so I don't have numbers for proof, but I'm making less trips in/out than I ever have and it feels like I'm handling half the poundage. Hoping to extend my playing career for a good many more years. Very pleased with my current gigging set up (although Larry does have me thinking about checking out some carts).
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I own a Stealth rack. Itís too fiddly for gigging if it has to be broken down in parts. Takes a long time to put together.
Pearl racks fold and just works.
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The Tama classic cymbal stands would have been a contender but they weren't available yet so I got the DW's.
I looked into those, along with virtually every modern lightweight hardware solution. I invariably end up playing on grass a couple of times a year, and that basically makes flat based a non starter.

The pearl convertible flat based stuff probably would have been my best overall solution, but I caught a good deal on the stage master lightweight kit and couldn't pass it up.

Now that more manufacturers are hopping on this train, there are a lot of viable options and ultimately specific situations and deal hunting will determine who wins the day.
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Yeah my Saturn Tour V 20" kick is a beast weight-wise. I had no idea. That maple layered up with walnut makes for a very dense & heavy kick. Sounds great, though!

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This has been a great read; lots of great tips/info being shared about a frequently discussed subject. When I was younger I never thought about the weight of my gear, but at 45 I've been looking to lighten my load like so many others. Depending on the venue, I am now able to get my kit inside with 3 trips. Some of the changes I've made in the last few years:
- Swapped out my heavy Saturn 12-16-22 for a 12-14-20 Stage Custom birch (the 3 SC drums feel lighter combined than my Saturn bass drum)
- Stopped using my heavy molded plastic cymbal case in favor of a bag
- I have a Tama IC pedal; left the plastic case at home, put the pedal in one of my hardware bags
- Purged all of my double braced hardware in favor of Yamaha 700 single braced; not the lightest stuff out there but lighter than what I used to have
- I've always carried a duffle bag for things like my stick bag, a towel, miscellaneous stuff; realized I really don't need it
- I have 2 hardware bags; hardware goes into the bag with wheels; stick bag, seat top, mics and rug go into the other non- wheeled bag.
I can carry the kick and toms in one trip, snare and cymbals are the second trip, and lastly I wheel the heavy bag with one hand and carry the light bag with the other. I have not weighed anything so I don't have numbers for proof, but I'm making less trips in/out than I ever have and it feels like I'm handling half the poundage. Hoping to extend my playing career for a good many more years. Very pleased with my current gigging set up (although Larry does have me thinking about checking out some carts).
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