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Old 02-05-2017, 12:31 PM
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Just thought I'd throw these up here. 3 clips showing the first shellac application to different shell types. Each one has a different approach depending on the wood species / construction. As these are the first application, the trick is to get it on heavy, fast, & even. Once dry, these sealing coats will be mostly sanded off prior to the much more finely applied finishing coats. Individual descriptions in the video text.

Padauk snare. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HEYDo-jesA

Ovangkol bass drum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI2cwI_PUAw

Zebrano tom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TJo...ature=youtu.be

For those interested, subsequent steps / wood species:

Padauk = 15 - 20 applications with sanding between every 2nd coat.
Ovangkol = 6 - 8 applications with sanding between every coat.
Zebrano = 4 applications with sanding between every coat.
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Old 02-05-2017, 06:09 PM
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Drum finishing porn at it's finest!
I love the way the grain pops as you apply the shellac.
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Old 02-05-2017, 06:53 PM
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Love how the depth of grain comes out as the angle of the light hitting it changes. Almost like gemstones. I did a tongue oil finish on a Bubinga stave shelled kit, wet sanding it in with the grain with progressively finer grits of sand paper and wiping the resulting oil and sawdust slurry across the grain after each sanding. The finish on the grain looked about an inch deep after I got down through all the grits and polished the shells.
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I know very little about woodworking, but I find it curious that you shellac before doing the edges.

The segments and staves are like facets of jewelry, playing tricks with the light. Nature's finishes are just off the hook. Wow the padauk takes at least 15 applications? Mine looks lacquered it looks so shiny. It looks wet.

The ovangkol looks like it really sucks up that shellac. Each turn around the drum brings out more complexity. It very satisfying watching it being done, thank for making all your videos. They all rock.
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Old 02-05-2017, 08:11 PM
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I haven't used shellac in years and I remember it being thicker than what you are using. Do you thin it or is it a special type or brand? Thanks
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Shellac can come in various "cuts". The Zinnser stuff we have here in the US is a 2 pound cut. Some shellac is only a 1 pound cut, so it is thinner. I cant remember what brand Andy uses. It in the background of a number of his photos, so its not like he keeps it a secret.

Beautiful wood there, Andy. Do you ever do oil before your shellac? It really brings out the deep color tones in the wood and as Ghostnote mentioned, sanding to make a slurry can be a great means of grain filling if you want a glassy smooth final finish.
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I haven't used shellac in years and I remember it being thicker than what you are using. Do you thin it or is it a special type or brand? Thanks
I use a bleached (adds almost no amber) pre mixed shellac from a company called Fiddes (best you can get IMHO). It's not cheap at around $110 / 5 Litres, but worth it. It arrives as shown in the video, but I do sometimes thin it with methylated spirit

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Nature's finishes are just off the hook.
Indeed. I'm a fan of engineered wood finishes such as ALPI veneer, but they don't have the depth & pearlescence of the real thing.

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I know very little about woodworking, but I find it curious that you shellac before doing the edges.
I like a clean waxed wood finish to bearing edges. Shellac tends to build unevenly, & to me, that's an inaccuracy I can do without.

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The finish on the grain looked about an inch deep after I got down through all the grits and polished the shells.
It's so worth taking the time to do it right. Even though we use the same methods & materials, we vary the finish according to the desired affect. Many of our finishes are deliberately on the matt side of satin, & even when we go "shiny", it's never to the extent of a poly gloss coat, as it all starts to get a bit "plasticy" for me - each to their own.

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Thanks for the info. With my increased woodworking hobby I may try something similar.
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What are you using for the application? Cheese cloth rag?
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Do you ever do oil before your shellac? It really brings out the deep color tones in the wood
I never use oil, precisely because I don't want to darken the finish. Same with the choice of bleached shellac, trying to keep the original tones as much as possible :)


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What are you using for the application? Cheese cloth rag?
I use a rubber. Essentially, a square of close / fine weave lint free cotton filled with shredded cotton waste (you can fill with cotton wool too). The rubber is loaded by adding shellac to the filling, not dipping the rubber in shellac. In the videos, I'm using it very crudely for the first heavy application, subsequent applications are approached with more finesse :)
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It's so worth taking the time to do it right. Even though we use the same methods & materials, we vary the finish according to the desired affect. Many of our finishes are deliberately on the matt side of satin, & even when we go "shiny", it's never to the extent of a poly gloss coat, as it all starts to get a bit "plasticy" for me - each to their own.

Thank you :)
Yeah, my shells never ended up looking anywhere near as glossy as a poly finish, more on the shiny end of satin. Like an expensive french polished table or something.
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Just curious, how do you decide how much sanding is needed before the next application?
Also, how do you determine how many coats of shellac are preferred? Is it mainly a visual cue, or a tactile feel to the shell or both?
I admire your craftsmanship and fine woodworking skills. Thanks.
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Just curious, how do you decide how much sanding is needed before the next application?
Also, how do you determine how many coats of shellac are preferred? Is it mainly a visual cue, or a tactile feel to the shell or both?
I admire your craftsmanship and fine woodworking skills. Thanks.
Thank you.

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Number of shellac coats depends on both the finish required, but also how much is needed to fill the grain if that's the desired result.

Sanding grade & duration between coats is simply based on either removing raised grain on the initial application, or removing high spots on subsequent applications.
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Proud owner moment - I loved the shellac finish Zebrano Tour the first time I laid eyes on it. But after I bought mine the icing on the cake was how they look under coloured stage lights too.

I'll try and post more pics - I managed to upload some to an album on my profile page, not sure how to get 'em into this though, they're quite big.
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Super cool videos Andy. I still can't get over the shimmering 3D effect the shell has as I spin it. A number of the guys I play with have commented saying my Ovankol is the most beautiful snare they've ever seen. I always reply, " just wait to you hear it". ;)
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Proud owner moment - I loved the shellac finish Zebrano Tour the first time I laid eyes on it. But after I bought mine the icing on the cake was how they look under coloured stage lights too.

I'll try and post more pics - I managed to upload some to an album on my profile page, not sure how to get 'em into this though, they're quite big.

Beautiful kit !!
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Beautiful kit !!
Thanks! Phone camera doesn't do it justice. It's certainly different to the way a glossy lacquer looks. Hard to describe - subtle effect almost like it's got a coloured backlight through the lighter grain.
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Andy, when you cough, do wood chips and splinters sometimes come out?

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Old 02-13-2017, 09:23 PM
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Shellac is the best finish because you can repair it so easily if need be. Did the one snare I built and my latest little box kit in it (amber- zinsser brand in the us) and its like a guaranteed home run (as long as you do it right :).

Love these videos!
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Hey Andy I want to know WTH you smearing bug juice all over those beautiful shells. LOL. Nah seriously beautiful as usual but why the increase in shellac coats from Zebrano to Ovangkol to Padauk? Isn't the Zebrano and Padauk fairly hard woods? I've always been curious how carving the face of the wood would affect the sound?
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