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Old 04-27-2010, 01:47 AM
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so as some of you might know about 2 and a half years ago i started learning jazz, and i really became addicted to it, as far is listening to to it and playing. and now i would say im a pretty good jazz player, still with a lot to learn but i have been learning quickly i guess to my 10 years of experience , i think a lot of this is because i have played nothing but jazz for over 2 years now, i record my self on my electronic kit and its clean and great.

but today i played some of my favorite rock grooves and recorded them to a metronome, and it sounded pretty bad, i used to be really solid in straight time, but today i was falling behind the beat and rushing, i don't think it makes sense that because i have been playing jazz this would suffer.

and if it is why i hope it doesn't take 2 and a half years to fix!

any suggestions or similar experiences?
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Old 04-27-2010, 03:57 AM
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This sort of thing has happened to me. I think people assume that because rock is usually technically simpler than jazz, they can always switch back to it.

While rock is simpler, much of any musical style is feel and subtle things that take practice. If you don't practice that style, you will forget those subtleties. Even if you're playing technically correctly, it just won't sound "right" without the feel.
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Old 04-27-2010, 04:25 AM
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It happens, Once you start to play jazz it is hard to go back. I have learned to switch it on and off so to speak.
I can reset my mind to a rock mode and then switch back to a jazz mode.
I can also go into an in between mode. I like in between the best.
Keep floating back and forth between the two genres and you will soon see what I mean.
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Old 04-27-2010, 04:31 AM
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop right there. See, there's yer problem. ^

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Playing within a genre with authenticity means having the right feel. It doesn't matter if you can play all of the comp and solo examples in Beyond Bop Drumming forwards and backwards, if you don't have the right feel, people won't want to play with you. When I play for a project, I always give myself a mental check of what genre I'm about to play before my butt hits the throne.

If you don't play one for a while, or don't actively listen to the music, I don't doubt that you may lose your feel for that genre.
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If you don't play one for a while, or don't actively listen to the music, I don't doubt that you may lose your feel for that genre.
Agree. As with jazz, one of the most important things is listening. I've quoted this a few times before on the forum but maybe once more won't hurt. Robert Wyatt was once quoted as saying that rock drummers made clunky and old fashioned jazz players while jazz drummers made fussy and effete jazz players (forget exact words but it's something like that).

Zak, what you left behind in your jazz cupboard was your rock mongrel - the 'tood.

Dr Polly prescribes listening to ACDC or Rage Against the Machine, drinking some beer and swearing loudly for ten seconds. Spitting noisily (PPTUI!!) is optional :) Then sit down and play. You will rediscover your rock mojo. Be an agitator. Don't be polite. Let 'er rip.

Once you have it back, then you can scale things back to sanity again :)

I have been playing in a very laid back band for the last year but every now and then I play the first few bars of Can't Get Enough of Your Love or When the Levee Breaks during breaks between songs at band practice as a laugh to freak out our singer (a good friend) who is heavily into gentle blues and jazz ballads. Once I got the whole band (except the singer, who watched in awe) into a full-scale jam on Whole Lotta Love. It feels great to release the shackles once in a while ...
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Maybe playing jazz made you used to playing a bit behind the metronome (not that it is a bad thing for jazz)...

...good that you brought this up, it shows that your skills can significantly lack if you don't practice them enough...

...you know the Mangini method, where you practice a drumming motion slowly for 90 minutes 4 times a week and that motion will be significantly better (because it becomes memory)...

...I was wondering, if anyone has just played a straight moneybeat for 90 minutes non-stop at a slow tempo to improve it's metronomic precision and/or accuracy?

What does it prove?...fanatical devotion to solid timing?...jazz in concentrated amounts is bad for you?

...don't over-specialise, but don't stretch yourself too thin when it comes to genre specific work.
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Dr Polly prescribes listening to ACDC or Rage Against the Machine, drinking some beer and swearing loudly for ten seconds. Spitting noisily (PPTUI!!) is optional :) Then sit down and play. You will rediscover your rock mojo. Be an agitator. Don't be polite. Let 'er rip.

Once you have it back, then you can scale things back to sanity again :)
i cant disagree with that!!
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i cant disagree with that!!
Be interested to know how it works out, Zak.

It's the opposite for me because I've always played rock until recently so I have to keep my mongrel on a tight leash. Breaking out is the most natural thing in the world for me, but staying restrained while retaining energy is the challenge, especially in buildups.
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