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Old 09-26-2015, 07:03 PM
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I'm curious as to how many guys use the rubber bass drum feet in lieu of the spikes.

The reason I ask is because when Andy was at my place earlier in the year, of course he noticed that I removed his really cool bass drum leg attachment, the foot part that houses the rubber part of the feet. As nice as it's designed, I don't use rubber feet, so I unscrewed it from the bass drum leg, which just leaves a spike. That foot was getting in the way of where I needed to put a cymbal stand leg, so I removed it.

I could tell Andy was a little deflated that I removed it considering the hours and cost spent designing and manufacturing it. IMO, it could be eliminated because my guess is not enough people use rubber feet to warrant putting them on. I never used the rubber feet and I'm betting hardly anyone else does too.

So I'm taking a poll to see if that's truly the case.

So rubber feets, talking the bass drum only here...yay or nay?
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Old 09-26-2015, 07:44 PM
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I have them halfway on so both the spike and foot contact the rug.
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I have them halfway on so both the spike and foot contact the rug.
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Do you really think the rubber is doing anything?
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If the spike goes through the rug or mat and gets somebodies floor , hardwood or tile, it may get expensive. My rubber feet haven't moved an inch on my carpet
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I use it half way as well. The spike digs in to the rug and the rubber stops the spike from completely going through the rug.
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I have a 65 Slingerland bass drum with no rubber feet at all, just spikes. Works fine.

I have maybe 1/4 inch of the spike protruding from the rubber on another BD.

In reality I think one could do without the rubber, but of course one would always need a decent thick rug under.
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Interesting. More people use the rubber than I thought. I have no use for them. I use a thin indoor outdoor carpet. I'm not aware of any damage to the stages I play, but I'll look.

I remember reading a story about the re-flooring of a famous concert hall (whose name eludes me now) where the stage was messed up from the upright bass players spike digging into the stage.
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I use the spikes.

But I leave the rubber feet on and screw them up so they are just slightly touching the floor.
That way everyone thinks I'm protecting the floor.

(You can't play a Who song without bass drum spikes!)


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Interesting. More people use the rubber than I thought. I have no use for them. I use a thin indoor outdoor carpet. I'm not aware of any damage to the stages I play, but I'll look.

I remember reading a story about the re-flooring of a famous concert hall (whose name eludes me now) where the stage was messed up from the upright bass players spike digging into the stage.
those and cellos have rods on them but most also have rubber tips. I have also seen cellos using a t-shaped cross like item that locks behind the front legs of the chair and then has several holes drilled half way through to put the rod in.
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Ever since I got smart and keep a small office rug in my truck to use for the kit (you never know when you'll show up at a venue and there's no carpet for the kit, so I bring my own) I've always used the rubber feet. I never have a problem.

When I was younger, I did use the spikes a lot, until I messed up a really nice wood floor at a public facility. I felt guilty about that.

But in reality, the spurs on the bass drum aren't really what keeps the bass drum from creeping forward (although it works really well). If you have an old skool pedal with spurs on it, that really works. The clamp on the hoop keeps the drum from flying forward when you hit it, but your own weight keeps the pedal in place. And having a pedal plate with either rubber on the bottom, or in DW's case, velcro, really helps to keep the pedal in place.
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I use it half way as well. The spike digs in to the rug and the rubber stops the spike from completely going through the rug.
I do this.

I, like Bo, have also scratched up a nice stage floor once and felt sheepish about it.
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Rubber feet. No spikes unless it's sliding.
Hihat, however is a different story. I use the spikes often because my hihat likes to walk on me unless I have a good rug or spikes.
I won't buy another hihat without spikes.
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Rubber feet. No spikes unless it's sliding.
Hihat, however is a different story. I use the spikes often because my hihat likes to walk on me unless I have a good rug or spikes.
I won't buy another hihat without spikes.
I take it you have the DW9500? I believe those are made out of concrete!
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I keep the rubber feet adjusted so that the spike just penetrates the carpet. But, like Bo, I've found that the spikes on the pedal really do all the work. Like the BD legs, the spikes of the foot pedal go less than 1/2 way thru the carpet.

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If the spike goes through the rug or mat and gets somebodies floor , hardwood or tile, it may get expensive. My rubber feet haven't moved an inch on my carpet
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My 9000 pedals have velcro on them as annoying as it is to move, it does stabilize the position quite a bit, so I have my pedal spikes retracted.
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I can't do the pedal spikes. I toss them usually, one less thing to rattle. I don't like what they do to the angle of the pedal, plus it put's torque on the BD hoop. OK I'm splitting hairs, but I' all about that.

Many many times, when I go to break down, my pedal clamp is totally loose, and sometimes my pedal even crept away from the hoop partially. It must not affect me. Still, I want it to stay secure, and I can't believe I don't notice it. So pedal spikes wouldn't help me there.
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I have them halfway on so both the spike and foot contact the rug.
I do the same.

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I always use rubbers. The spikes can go right through a carpet and damage what's underneath. I use the inexpensive rubbers on my Ludwigs, which sometimes split, but are easy enough to replace.
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I would suggest a thicker carpet and not those walk-off mats you see in front of stores. Those things are too slick anyway. Deep pile is the way to go. Pedal sinks in, legs sink in, and so does the hi hat
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Well crap just call me Spike then. Turns out I'm in the minority. Very revealing.
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I take it you have the DW9500? I believe those are made out of concrete!
Does that thing have spikes?
If it does it's in the running for my new hat stand. That, or the Speed Cobra.

I have this as my main stand. It won't die, won't pitt, rubber is still supple, it's been all over the country, unadjustable, dead simple and still has the original felt after almost 30 years. I just need to change the felt at the top of the footboard.
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Do you really think the rubber is doing anything?
Yes, it does actually :)

If you use spikes only, there's chances that the spikes will go through the drumrug/carpet and possibly damage the floor underneath.

I set the rubber feet so that there's just enough spikes showing to go through say half the thickness of my drumrug, so it's impossible for the spikes to damage the floor. I've been doing this for years and years, no problems, no slippages of the BD and no damages to any floor.

For the record my hi-hat legs and bass drum pedals are set the same way, ie: spikes only go through half the drumrug. I never experienced any slippages or any rattles whatsoever.

So there you go Uncle Spike :)
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The reason I ask is because when Andy was at my place earlier in the year, of course he noticed that I removed his really cool bass drum leg attachment, the foot part that houses the rubber part of the feet. As nice as it's designed, I don't use rubber feet, so I unscrewed it from the bass drum leg, which just leaves a spike. That foot was getting in the way of where I needed to put a cymbal stand leg, so I removed it.

I could tell Andy was a little deflated that I removed it considering the hours and cost spent designing and manufacturing it.
Yes Larry, I was mortified at the visual of a naked spur!

As others have reported, the rubber element (almost irrespective of design) is used mostly to stop the spike digging too far into the rug or carpet. That said, we do have owners who set up on wooden floors, & use the rubber only option for doing so.

No rattles on these babies due to rubber isolation from the spur shaft. Pictured below is the beauty you chose to discard because you couldn't be arsed moving the foot of a cymbal stand by half an inch! ;)
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Wow, surprised to hear that so many use the rubber.

I've got a heavy foot - too heavy, in truth; if I could learn to lighten up (something I'm working on) I'm sure my technique would improve - and I use a large, heavy bass drum, a 24" 1980 Ludwig.

Not only do I use the spikes, but I've actually taken a file to them to really sharpen them up. I use a fairly heavy rug (an small Oriental-type thick weave that the in-laws were discarding) and haven't noticed any stage gouging.

To those who winced reading that - thinking of the damage done to the playing area - I can't help but think of John Densmore's book, where he describes approaching Elvin Jones after a gig while Jones was using a hammer to pry out the nails he'd driven into the stage for bass drum support. From what I can gather, it was a regular practice for Mr. Jones. And likely other drummers from the era.

Seems like Elvin didn't worry too much about scratching floors. And who am I to play holier-than-Elvin?
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That looks like something with which to smoke weed, but pay no attention. Americans have a natural propensity towards customizing things, so even if the thing is already perfect, something must be added or removed to make way for the scent of individuality.
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Those are the best designed spurs I've ever seen. Seems like sacrilege to remove them....

Anyway, I also keep half rubber, half spike on my carpet, but I have been known use the rubber feet if I'm on wood or tiles or brick paving and forgot the rug.
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Sounds like you lead-footed drummers need the spikes that go on the front hoop. They are reversible, rubber and spike
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Maybe I'll put them back on. It does look better with them on. I never tried the half spike half rubber thing. It sounds reasonable. Plus Andy will stop sticking his Uncle Larry voodoo doll with hat pins.
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These are the Dunnett legs on my Bop Kit. Deadly weapons, not convertible , but calibrated to level the drum. These would stick in steel.
The pointed piece is about 40 cm, 1.5 inches long
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Well crap just call me Spike then. Turns out I'm in the minority. Very revealing.
Hmm, Larry not going with the mainstream. Shocker!
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Does that thing have spikes?
If it does it's in the running for my new hat stand. That, or the Speed Cobra.

I have this as my main stand. It won't die, won't pitt, rubber is still supple, it's been all over the country, unadjustable, dead simple and still has the original felt after almost 30 years. I just need to change the felt at the top of the footboard.
Oh yeah. Both the 5500 and the 9500 have these steel spikes that run vertical next to the pedal that you can tighten with drum key screws. Very solid.
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I can't help but think of John Densmore's book, where he describes approaching Elvin Jones after a gig while Jones was using a hammer to pry out the nails he'd driven into the stage for bass drum support.
Reminds me of the time I lent my drum set to a casual friend for a gig he had. When he returned it I discovered that he had driven 16p nails through the BD shell and into the wooden stage!

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Reminds me of the time I lent my drum set to a casual friend for a gig he had. When he returned it I discovered that he had driven 16p nails through the BD shell and into the wooden stage!

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Shut. Up. Really? That's one of the worst things I ever heard!

How did you handle that?

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Reminds me of the time I lent my drum set to a casual friend for a gig he had. When he returned it I discovered that he had driven 16p nails through the BD shell and into the wooden stage!
Wow! That's appalling.

Don't ever lend this person your car! It might come back with a 'sunroof' or even converted into a convertible.
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I use the spikes but leave the rubber feet on as well... I'll usually retract the spikes when putting the drum in it's case as well -- Anal, I know?!

I've been looking at a pair of these to try on a kit -- I think these would be just the ticket for a vintage kit with the old-timey spurs that really do nothing:

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I'm with you, Larry.

Bass drum creep is the worst thing that can ever happen while playing - outside of spontaneously combusting, of course.

I still have the rubber feet on my spurs, but they're threaded all the way up and cinched down hard so they may as well not be there. My drums are never set up anywhere where nice floors are a concern.
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On carpet I usually just use the spikes, but I like leaving the rubber feet on for aesthetic reasons. Whenever I play on hard wood or tile, I'll use all rubber as they seem to grip better on smooth surfaces.

Also, Other than slick surfaces, I can't say my BD ever really moves. I guess I have a pretty light touch...
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Sounds like you lead-footed drummers need the spikes that go on the front hoop. They are reversible, rubber and spike
Ah the the ye olde bass drum anchor. I use one on these on my 60's Luddy BD. The legs were replaced by someone and the feet are teflon coated because they just slide. Gibraltar do a good anchor, had no problems since.

Runaway bass drum, nightmare!

Always carry a rubber bottomed rug in the boot of my car for the kit. Haven't wrecked a floor..........yet!
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