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Old 09-25-2014, 10:59 PM
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This is my old floor tom from my very first set of Silvertone drums. I bought it in 1971 and it has gone through many changes. Originally it was blue metalflake wrap. In the 70's It went through a psychedelic time when it was painted like a multicolor rainbow. Mellowing out in the later 70's I ground and sanded all of the Varathane runs out and painted it black. This was the drum I took on stage back then. Then in the later 80's I used this as my practice set up until I bought my Pearl Forums in 2000. After that it has become a stand to hold my newer drums off of the basement floor. It has a shell that is slightly thicker than 1/4" and a beautiful resounding ring !!!

But I have something new planned for this old 14" drum....................

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What you're chucking it into the river?

Snares float.

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Old 09-26-2014, 01:18 AM
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Did I hear something about a snare rebuild thread?!

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My first drum set was a blue sparkle Silvertone set.
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Old 09-26-2014, 07:00 PM
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What you're chucking it into the river?

Snares float.

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It will sound much better than you expect. The wood has had almost 50 years to dry and is very resonant. As to the appearance, I'm going to try and get my son-in-law to "dress" (smooth out by taking 1/32" to 1/16" off) the outside with his CNC machine.

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Old 09-26-2014, 07:33 PM
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I think we're going to have to ask you to document the process and snap many pictures of the CNC-ing of the shell for us restoration/build thread junkies.

I'm getting giddy for the process. I love seeing older gear getting re-worked and turned into something new and fancy. My favorite of all my snares, the snare that I could never part with, started his life as an abandoned and unloved Ludwig shell that I scored off the 'bay while drinking one night. Now it is my favorite snare.

Plus I have a soft spot in my heart for old gear with a sentimental attachment. This thread is like Chanukah and X-mas for me. If you go lax on this one and forget to update I may get antsy and start pestering you with messages. Fair warning.
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Old 09-27-2014, 06:50 AM
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After I cleaned it up, it looked better than I thought, so I will skip CNC.

Then I cut it in 3 equal pieces....but it would have been better if I cut it only 2. Nontheless I will continue with these 4 5/8" deep shells.

Finally I rough cut the bearing edges.


Next I will smooth those bearing edges.

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I'm pretty much with Red Menace on this one. If there were one of those makeover shows but for old musical instruments, I would be sooooo there. Especially if it were not all stuff that had originally been high end.

The three snare shells from a single floor tom photo kind of blew my mind.

I have a feeling Mr. Ismore will not approve.
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After sanding the bearing edges. ZOOM IN !!

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Sweet deal! I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out!
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After sanding the bearing edges. ZOOM IN !!
What do you intend to do with the dings/voids in the bearing edges?
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Old 10-02-2014, 06:31 AM
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This should answer the question.




I should have worked on an absolutely flat table with a soft towel, but unfortunately I continued working of the router table. Wood filler helps.

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Old 10-03-2014, 06:23 AM
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Old 10-03-2014, 08:21 AM
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I'm sorry, I know you're trying your best, & I'm sure they'll sound fine, but in the context of my background, the voids, form irregularity, & grain tearout around the edges is painful to look at.
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I'm sorry, I know you're trying your best, & I'm sure they'll sound fine, but in the context of my background, the voids, form irregularity, & grain tearout around the edges is painful to look at.
They will sound GREAT....but I'm going to only build one right now. I'm going to store the other shells for another day....and I may re-work them a bit.

As a long time employee in the automobile business, I built cars. You would be surprised to know what is hidden under your nice looking plastic trim. The same with this. Once all of the hardware is in place, you won't recognize this drum. I'm saddened when I read posts by kids who buy brand new drums , take them apart , and then complain to the manufacturer about some scratch in the shell or some other stupid thing. You wouldn't take your brand new car apart ,for inspection, would you ?

However, the splitting should have been fixed before painting, but after painting it jumped out at me as well.

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They will sound GREAT....but I'm going to only build one right now. I'm going to store the other shells for another day....and I may re-work them a bit.

As a long time employee in the automobile business, I built cars. You would be surprised to know what is hidden under your nice looking plastic trim. The same with this. Once all of the hardware is in place, you won't recognize this drum. I'm saddened when I read posts by kids who buy brand new drums , take them apart , and then complain to the manufacturer about some scratch in the shell or some other stupid thing. You wouldn't take your brand new car apart ,for inspection, would you ?

However, the splitting should have been fixed before painting, but after painting it jumped out at me as well.

Dan
I appreciate where you're coming from Dan, but I wasn't referring to the appearance, it's the function of the bearing edge. The uneven outer form, the voids that intersect the peak, & the tearout on the round over radius all contribute to the drum's performance being less than it could be. I am very particular on this stuff though, maybe more than I should be.
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Old 10-04-2014, 07:50 AM
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And the bearing edge is smooth and consistent.
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Old 10-24-2014, 06:12 PM
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Sounds great, in part because with this system we can tighten these way down. Only 4 1/2" deep.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/10420189...CJz-jcDD6-qyHg
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The link doesn't work ...
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Mr Ismore actually works on cars, Im the drummer.

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Oy Vey! Thank the lard for intervention on that one.



I typed out a bunch of 'as to why you should/shouldn't' for a response here, then deleted it. Im just going to sit back and watch this as a comedy thread for now, these come along too infrequently. Hey Andy, pass the popcorn please.

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Old 10-24-2014, 10:31 PM
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Sorry that I was being lazy. Took picture with my phone and google was right there to grab it. I should have a video up in a few days with this drum (Project 2) and Project 3 as well. Project 3 is making floating toms for my ImperialStar set. The change to the sound of my upper toms is PHENOMENAL !

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Old 10-31-2014, 05:20 AM
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Here it is.

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Old 10-31-2014, 07:38 AM
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Nice smooth double stroke stuff there Dan :)

I'm not sure the tom tuning brought out the best in your drums.
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Old 10-31-2014, 05:35 PM
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I think the close mics were a bit too close to the rims. That will tend to pick up more ring and can also overload the mic. More distant mics pic up the full body of the drums but too much room ambience. I need just the perfect mix. It also makes a difference if you are listening through a stereo, laptop speakers or headphones.

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I think the close mics were a bit too close to the rims. That will tend to pick up more ring and can also overload the mic. More distant mics pic up the full body of the drums but too much room ambience. I need just the perfect mix. It also makes a difference if you are listening through a stereo, laptop speakers or headphones.

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I'm listening through reference headphones Dan, & they're about as neutral as you can get. If you want a good honest impression without fear of near field anomalies, just a pair of overheads will give you a good overall impression.
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I'm not sure the tom tuning brought out the best in your drums.
I'm sure I will experiment with more tunings. I tried to get the lowest resonating pitch possible, which is what I like best. To do that , I have to begin to bring up the pitch up until the drum begins to resonate, and then continue to tighten, until the BEAT FREQUENCY between the upper, lower skins and shell disappear. Then do the same with the lower tenor tom and hopefully it will be tuned properly, relative to the other tenor tom. Last of all,the floor tom which is easy to tune.

I'm sure if I tune these up to the next fundamental I will begin to get the drum sounds from the "Miami Vice" soundtrack. (toms sound somewhere between a timbale and a tom tom)

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Old 11-03-2014, 07:15 PM
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I think it sounds really fantastic! Bet it sounds even better in person and well worth the blood sweat and tears it took to make it :)
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I made a few changes. A slightly different sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpqQDrFiLQs
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