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So, no one knows who he used as techs? What about his first drum teacher?
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Old 08-20-2016, 12:15 AM
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the call/response :50 is what I really appreciate the most
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My favorite thread. I very much appreciate all these little links you put up Brian. I for one am following your work.
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My favorite thread. I very much appreciate all these little links you put up Brian. I for one am following your work.
Thanks Larry

I found that Jim generally played pre-serial Paiste 602 hi-hats. I think they are some of the best hats I've ever heard.

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One of my favorite drummers but a really lousy human being. He's right where he should be.
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Old 08-22-2016, 03:45 AM
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one of the top drumming talents, any era.

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One of my favorite drummers but a really lousy human being. He's right where he should be.
It's not like he was normal and killed his mom. He is schizophrenic. Pretty severe mental illness, that's what Jim has.
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It's not like he was normal and killed his mom. He is schizophrenic. Pretty severe mental illness, that's what Jim has.
Let's not forget the binge cocaine use, which btw can cause schizophrenia, and domestic abuse he perpetrated on Rita Coolidge. I'll stand by my lousy human being assessment and I wouldn't want him as my neighbor even if he would provide free drum lessons. He doesn't take his medication and has been denied parole several times. Cali's pretty liberal. If they don't think he belongs on the street, then neither do I. It's a sad story with a very sad ending. I can't even imagine the horror his mother had to face at the end.
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Old 08-29-2016, 07:27 AM
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the little things, however so simple, make for a huge drum track

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the little things, however so simple, make for a huge drum track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-jrhdCBxxs
Thanks again Brian. You un-earth some real gems. Have to say this is one of my fave threads on DW (sans schizophrenic-bashing)
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It's not like he was normal and killed his mom. He is schizophrenic. Pretty severe mental illness, that's what Jim has.
I've worked with a number of people experiencing schizophrenia. What happened with Jim is exceptionally rare and although schizophrenia can be a cause of violence, it does not happen often. Unfortunately it is often thrown around as a 'dangerous' disorder and this leave the vast majority of those experiencing schizophrenia marginalised and too embarrassed to seek help.

Like every illness, it manifests itself differently in everybody. Some people with schizophrenia are entirely able to manage it on a day-to-day basis and lead ordinary lives. I met a lady that after years in and out of institutions was now married with children and leading courses to help others with schizophrenia overcome their circumstances. She still experienced the symptoms but was able to manage them.

So yes, schizophrenia is a serious diagnosis and it can be very severe. I suspect if Jim Gordon were a lot younger and had access to some of the techniques and treatments available now then perhaps this may not have happened.
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Old 08-29-2016, 10:52 PM
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:00 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8xO8pQ4Bmo

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Old 08-30-2016, 09:01 AM
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Old 09-08-2016, 03:38 AM
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Old 11-07-2016, 08:09 AM
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In the interest of bringing to light as many tracks as this guy has been on, here's another:

"Apache", by the Classic Bongo Band. You've heard this before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY-Z6wm6TMQ

Love the snare sound on this track.
The most sampled drum track ever. The guy was just tremendous.
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Old 02-10-2017, 02:45 AM
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Not sure if this was posted, Jim Gordon w/ Mama Cass.

"Dancin' in the Street"

You get a good extended look at Jim in action.

He's playing Hal Blaine's kit, I can tell by the stool.
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13 Songs of pure magic with Jim Gordon on Drums, really clear audio.

https://youtu.be/5rS6uMXa5h4
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Just discovered this thread and have spent the past two hours going through it all, watching and listening. So, so good. Thank you to all who contributed.

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https://youtu.be/5rS6uMXa5h4
Wow, that sounds really good. Jim had it goin' on, crazy incredible feel, flow, touch, sound, taste, musical sensibilities, etc.

I recently watched this interview with Keltner and around 10 minutes in, he talks about how much of an influence Jim Gordon had on him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nHg_AqEAQI
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:45 AM
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I actually read that story before starting this thread. Very cool.

Speaking only for myself, Mark David Chapman's name doesn't evoke anger from me any more than Gordon's does. I studied abnormal psychology in college and I think that experience has influenced my take on matters involving serious mental illness.
I dug up this thread because I was listening to "The Heart of Saturday Night". Jim Gordon has come up for me before, I mean he played on everything, and I've read about what happened to him.

And everyone has their opinion ... but I find yours frustrating.

At the end of the day, you are responsible for what you do. Doesn't matter if you're drunk, high, or have a mental condition. You get behind the wheel drunk and kill a pregnant woman? It was you, not the drink. You need a fix so you stab some poor office worker on his way home? It was you, not the drugs. You hear voices so you murder your mom? It was you, not the voices.

I've never understood the mentality of "oh, he's not RESPONSIBLE because of X and Y". Well, if you're not responsible for what you do, who is?

I've always summed the ridiculousness of this argument as:

"Hey, this guy murdered five people!"
"Well, lock him up!"
"Hang on, he's psycho too! Unpredictable! Hears voices!"
"Well then let's let him go!!!"

It's just crazy talk. There's no way to control psychosis. Even if you find a drug that maybe makes you less likely to wig out and kill someone, you're trusting the crazy person to take that drug (which most refuse to do).

And icing on the cake: in 2005 (the last hearing Gordon attended) he claimed his mother was still alive. You want to release that on some unsuspecting community?

Love the music (god I love his drumming on "Diamond Girl"). But he's a psycho, and he belongs exactly where he is.
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Rock and Roll Stew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBXNNB5L01g

this sounds like Jim too but am not sure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEZH0t5Yozw
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...god I love his drumming on "Diamond Girl").
The song Diamond Girl is one of my favorite pop lilts, though I could never figure out who played on that particular track (Harvey Mason, Porcaro and John Guerin are also on the album.
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13 Songs of pure magic with Jim Gordon on Drums, really clear audio.

https://youtu.be/5rS6uMXa5h4
OMG I am just lapping this up. Jim was in a good place at this time in his life. It reflects in his playing.

I like how he does his thing so well, all the time supporting everyone. He stays just far enough out of the way of the lead, while still being almost an equal part. He just adds to everything. never detracting. Always spot on and appropriate. He does so many important thing so right. This could be my favorite thread.

Jim's time is one of the big things that makes him sound so good. Everything is so smooth.

I never heard this before. Absolutely bloody fantastic as Duncan would say. Some of those songs repeat the same progression for a long time and Jim (and the rest of the band to be fair) keeps it fresh from front to back. Between Jim, Roger Hawkins of the Swampers, Hal Blaine, Jim Keltner, Levon Helm..Ringo...those are the guys I try and emulate.

Thank you for this Mr. newoldie.
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Want some Jim fun? Check out this Johnny Rivers show. Love how Johhny introduces Jim first and as "The Great Jim Gordon on Drums!" everyone else is just Tom, Dick and Harry...Johnny recognized the level of talent he hired....probably triple the price of anyone else on stage. Ive lurked here for years, love this place, and chose this opportunity to share a mind blowing Jim gem that I havent seen discussed here. Please enjoy, so much fun! Pretty sure I pulled a muscle in my right wrist/forearm just listening to 'Its Alright'... Im icing it, feels a little better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXZ76ocykyA

First time, so I hope the link works....

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Old 03-26-2017, 10:11 PM
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Want some Jim fun? Check out this Johnny Rivers show. Love how Johhny introduces Jim first and as "The Great Jim Gordon on Drums!" everyone else is just Tom, Dick and Harry...Johnny recognized the level of talent he hired....probably triple the price of anyone else on stage. Ive lurked here for years, love this place, and chose this opportunity to share a mind blowing Jim gem that I havent seen discussed here. Please enjoy, so much fun! Pretty sure I pulled a muscle in my right wrist/forearm just listening to 'Its Alright'... Im icing it, feels a little better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXZ76ocykyA

First time, so I hope the link works....

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Oh Yayeah!!! I've long been convinced this cat never had a bad night and this just reinforces that. Butter melting all over those drums!

Thanks Josh; nice to meet you!
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You're welcome glad you're diggin' it!! Nice to meet you as well...
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OMG Thank you J man, I'm diggin it. His drumming feels so good.
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I posted it for you Uncy Lar! You dont know me but you've been my uncle for years now. Theres a really sick Joan Baez show with Jim Gordon and James Jamerson that I found once thats incredible too. I think its one of the Palladium shows. They do a Dancing in the Streets (I think thats the tune) with drum and bass solos....amazing stuff if you can find it. I think I found it thru concert vault, thru a Jim Gordon search. Hes on so much stuff, its out there...and its all incredible...the man is incredible!

Ha...they call me J-Man at work, shouldve chose that instead of J-Boogie (?) since I couldnt be Josh.

So glad to have a voice here now, I spend way too much time reading and soaking in all I can. Amazing site....amazing people!
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https://www.wolfgangs.com/joan-baez/...ml?tid=4767489


Its this show, I just mentioned...
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I posted it for you Uncy Lar! You dont know me but you've been my uncle for years now. Theres a really sick Joan Baez show with Jim Gordon and James Jamerson that I found once thats incredible too. I think its one of the Palladium shows. They do a Dancing in the Streets (I think thats the tune) with drum and bass solos....amazing stuff if you can find it. I think I found it thru concert vault, thru a Jim Gordon search. Hes on so much stuff, its out there...and its all incredible...the man is incredible!

Ha...they call me J-Man at work, shouldve chose that instead of J-Boogie (?) since I couldnt be Josh.

So glad to have a voice here now, I spend way too much time reading and soaking in all I can. Amazing site....amazing people!
Well gosh Josh, thanks for the kind words man.

Did my eyes play tricks on me?

Gordon and Jamerson? Don't toy with me man, are you in earnest? Wow. Talk about my personal dream rhythm section, no disrespect at all for the great Benny Benjamin. With Hendrix on rhythm guitar while I'm at it.

All I got was a playlist on your newest link, 30 seconds of each song.

"Diamonds and Rust" knocks me out, the first line, "Well I'll be damned, here comes your ghost again" floors me the way she delivers it with that crystal clear voice that grabs you right in the soul.
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All I got was a playlist on your newest link, 30 seconds of each song.
You have to join to get the whole thing.
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Yea that's just where I found the show, not trying to push that site or anything. But yea Jim Gordon and James Jamerson.....I was in disbelief when I first found it, then I listened and it's some really great stuff. Jims drumming makes me so damn happy, like bubbling over. Love it and all the great finds y'all have shared
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Take it away band...

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articl...he-street.html
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I dug up this thread because I was listening to "The Heart of Saturday Night". Jim Gordon has come up for me before, I mean he played on everything, and I've read about what happened to him.

And everyone has their opinion ... but I find yours frustrating.

At the end of the day, you are responsible for what you do. Doesn't matter if you're drunk, high, or have a mental condition. You get behind the wheel drunk and kill a pregnant woman? It was you, not the drink. You need a fix so you stab some poor office worker on his way home? It was you, not the drugs. You hear voices so you murder your mom? It was you, not the voices.

I've never understood the mentality of "oh, he's not RESPONSIBLE because of X and Y". Well, if you're not responsible for what you do, who is?
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I cannot let this go unchallenged. Our legal system (and mental health system) recognizes that there are times when a person has reduced responsibility for their actions. Imagine a person who is unknowingly slipped a drug by someone and then engages in sex or violence. Imagine a person threatening your family to force you to commit a crime or refuse to provide testimony. Imagine a person who, through no fault of their own, develops paranoid schizophrenia with command hallucinations that are telling him all day every day to commit illegal acts. These judgements of relative guilt can be difficult and complicated even for legal and psychiatric experts, but most people would agree that in these three scenarios the person has reduced capacity and responsibility.

Secondly, locking mentally ill people up forever is not the solution. Most psychiatric disorders are treatable. And the mentally ill are more often the victims than the perpetrators of violence:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/

While psychosis is a risk factor for violence, substance abuse and antisocial personality disorder are more strongly related.

While it can be comforting to think in absolutes, reality is often in shades of grey.
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