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Old 08-06-2013, 05:50 PM
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He just got really, really unlucky one day. Probably should have hired a gardener, too. :(
Jeff was passionate about gardening. He did a lot of it and it was one of his favorite hobbies.
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Old 08-07-2013, 09:21 AM
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I really wish people would stop making instructional videos on "how to play the Rosanna shuffle". He, himself, did that in his own instructional video, so I really don't see the point in some guy on "Expert Village" or even Bissonette on the Drum Channel doing it.
Why the hell not? Given it was a groove he nicked and adapted from Purdie and Bonham by his own admission in the first place, I hardly think Jeff would mind.


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NOBODY can make it sound correct and groove like he did.
FWIW I can put up a pretty good argument that the two guys I just mentioned can make it groove just as well as anybody, including Porcaro. Buy me a pint or two and I can put up an even better argument. :-)


Isn't sharing info and ideas what it's all about in the first place? So that others can take your ideas, build on them, adapt them, play with them and make them their own.....a little like Jeff himself did in this particular instance?

What does it really matter if someone gets the mechanics of that groove down by watching Porcaro, or Bissonette, or even little Johnny explaining it from the confines of his bedroom.......at least they've managed to discover and learn what really is an exceptionally cool little groove. What do you reckon?

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Old 08-07-2013, 07:23 PM
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Jeff was passionate about gardening. He did a lot of it and it was one of his favorite hobbies.
Oh I know and I have the same passion. I suppose in 1992, the whole "toxin" thing was not as emphasized and there was no social media to spread (mis)information on either account, so he just used what he thought was the right chemical for the job. However, he apparently went nuts with it because his wife and the medical staff said he reeked of the stuff meaning he got it all over himself. I mean when you see Monsanto employees working on "farms" (in quotes for a reason), they're wearing full-protective suits. I hate to say Jeff died to teach us a lesson but I will NEVER use toxic chemical on my lawn or garden and he is a big reason why. To me the biggest tragedy was that his kids grew up without a dad. I mean, drumming and music will go on without him but the thought of me dying in 3 years and leaving my kids without a dad to raise them and watch them grow up is beyond words. Ineffable.

Pocket... I said what I feel but some things you should not say. I've been having a rough time with life lately, I've not been myself. :)

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Old 01-04-2014, 06:39 AM
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Default Groovin to the Boz with Jeff

Just re-discovered Boz Scaggs' '77 album "Down Two Then Left," courtesy of YT.
Without realizing who the drummer was, I was marveling at the tight, flowing, definitive grooves on the drumming track; surfed over to Wikipedia to read that the drummer was none other than the great Jeff Porcaro.

The more I hear Jeff, the more I appreciate how less is more, especially with the tasteful fills and patterns that sound easy, but take a while to transcribe on the set.
The recording dynamics were clear enough to easily discern Jeff's brilliant playing and his drum kit's tones as well. It was a confirmation that using a clean, dynamic technique help bring out the songs' intentions.
So much solid and SMOOTH technique to appreciate as a drummer--to absorb and learn from, incorporate into my own playing.
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Old 01-04-2014, 11:39 PM
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Rosanna "shuffle" is a brilliant one.....but there should have been more "shuffles" within that song instead of repeating the same through out.....just a thought.
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Old 01-05-2014, 03:34 AM
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Rosanna "shuffle" is a brilliant one.....but there should have been more "shuffles" within that song instead of repeating the same through out.....just a thought.
Did you miss the ending?
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yeah

and what's up with the Mona Lisa?

she should have been smiling a little bit more instead of that little kind of smirk that no one is really sure of .... not sure what da Vinci was thinking

just a thought

damn "book artists"..... I wish Banksy painted the Mona Lisa


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yeah

and what's up with the Mona Lisa?

she should have been smiling a little bit more instead of that little kind of smirk that no one is really sure of .... not sure what da Vinci was thinking

just a thought

damn "book artists"..... I wish Banksy painted the Mona Lisa


give it a break bro .... seriously
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friends...if everyone agrees on the same thing, where is the excitement?..I am just trying to move ur thought process perspective in all directions......thanks friends for not judging me harshly..:)
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[i]Jeff Pocaro is a phenomenal drummer/percussionist.Is this the son of Professor Joe Pocaro,California University. The Pocaro family is right at the top of the drumming tree.
I quite liked Toto as a band,dynamic, solid and tight.

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My personal favorite Jeff tracks:

Gaucho - Steely Dan
Black Friday - Steely Dan
Doctor Wu - Steely Dan
Chain Lightning - Steely Dan
Your Gold Teeth II - Steely Dan
King of the World - Steely Dan (from a very rare live performance at the Record Plant in 1974, playing double drums with Jim Hodder. As Donald Fagen puts it, "COOKIN!")
Night by Night - Steely Dan
Parker's Band - Steel Dan (double drumming with Jim Gordon)
FM - Steely Dan
Lido Shuffle - Boz Scaggs
Lowdown - Boz Scaggs
Jojo - Boz Scaggs
Calling Elvis - Dire Straits
Heavy Fuel - Dire Straits
The Grind - Tommy Bolin
Homeward Strut - Tommy Bolin
Blues for Ronnie - Karizma (double drumming with Carlos Vega)
Space Glide - Lee Ritenour
Mother - Pink Floyd
Hold the Line - Toto
Rosanna - Toto
Girl Goodbye - Toto
Jake to the Bone - Toto
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Old 01-22-2014, 10:17 PM
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My personal favorite Jeff tracks:

Gaucho - Steely Dan
Black Friday - Steely Dan
Doctor Wu - Steely Dan
Chain Lightning - Steely Dan
Your Gold Teeth II - Steely Dan
King of the World - Steely Dan (from a very rare live performance at the Record Plant in 1974, playing double drums with Jim Hodder. As Donald Fagen puts it, "COOKIN!")
Night by Night - Steely Dan
Parker's Band - Steel Dan (double drumming with Jim Gordon)
FM - Steely Dan
Lido Shuffle - Boz Scaggs
Lowdown - Boz Scaggs
Jojo - Boz Scaggs
Calling Elvis - Dire Straits
Heavy Fuel - Dire Straits
The Grind - Tommy Bolin
Homeward Strut - Tommy Bolin
Blues for Ronnie - Karizma (double drumming with Carlos Vega)
Space Glide - Lee Ritenour
Mother - Pink Floyd
Hold the Line - Toto
Rosanna - Toto
Girl Goodbye - Toto
Jake to the Bone - Toto
Great reference list- I'll have to listen to a bunch of these. Lowdown's groove took me a long time to understand and play, since at the time I studied it I was not drumming much. But I love the steady hi hat beat with its permutations and little accents. For Lido, I wonder if that groove is similar to the Rosanna Shuffle with its hat beats and ghosts?
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Old 01-23-2014, 01:54 AM
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Thanks, newoldie.

IMHO, Lido Shuffle is by far the most difficult of his shuffles to get right. It took me hours to get the proper coordination down and several more to actually make it feel somewhat good. Jeff, of course, developed this groove when he was only 21 or so and played it with absolute authority; I still can't wrap my mind around that. He claims he stole this shuffle pattern, in addition to the Black Friday shuffle, from his "shuffle champion", Jim Gordon on the Steely Dan tune Charlie Freak (from the Pretzel Logic album).

This guy does a marvelous job breaking down the Lido groove: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThQ8pKyRFrk

And I'm sure you've seen this before, but here's the master breaking down Rosanna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwyO1qr0edI

Rosanna has a lot less going on, but it's also a lot faster. I love playing both grooves to a click as a way to work on my time and endurance.
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Old 12-19-2014, 06:50 AM
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Being a big JP fan, I found another upload on YouTube I had missed before.
This is the entire Toto/Live in Paris concert from 1990 and the video is pretty clear.
Not enough of Jeff shown (as usual, compared to the vocalist/guitar players) but enough to get your JP "fix."
Love watching his playing and hearing his powerful but simple grooves, something I aspire to.
http://youtu.be/GROb_lC7uG4
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Old 12-19-2014, 11:55 PM
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The opening to Georgy Porgy at 10:38 is one of the best grooves ever.
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Old 12-20-2014, 12:39 AM
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The opening to Georgy Porgy at 10:38 is one of the best grooves ever.
So simple, so powerful a groove.
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Some people comment that on Steely Dan Katy Lied, that Jeff's Performances were not outstanding. WTF?

He was not allowed to be outstanding. You have OCD Donald Fagen basically telling you each time you have to perform a drum-stroke and if that takes 300 takes, then so be it.

Once Fagan realized, that …. "hey this 19 year old kid is the next white Bernard Purdie" the album was complete.

Listen closely to several songs on this album - Chain Lightning in particular, and you will hear a drum clinic.
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Some people comment that on Steely Dan Katy Lied, that Jeff's Performances were not outstanding. WTF?

He was not allowed to be outstanding. You have OCD Donald Fagen basically telling you each time you have to perform a drum-stroke and if that takes 300 takes, then so be it.

Once Fagan realized, that …. "hey this 19 year old kid is the next white Bernard Purdie" the album was complete.

Listen closely to several songs on this album - Chain Lightning in particular, and you will hear a drum clinic.
Katy Lied was one of my least liked SD albums.
Just not great.
Transitional would be my take.

Now Royal Scam was the sh!tz.
That was one of the most perfect SD albums ever.
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My personal favorite Jeff tracks:

Gaucho - Steely Dan
Black Friday - Steely Dan
Doctor Wu - Steely Dan
Chain Lightning - Steely Dan
Your Gold Teeth II - Steely Dan
King of the World - Steely Dan (from a very rare live performance at the Record Plant in 1974, playing double drums with Jim Hodder. As Donald Fagen puts it, "COOKIN!")
Night by Night - Steely Dan
Parker's Band - Steel Dan (double drumming with Jim Gordon)
FM - Steely Dan
Lido Shuffle - Boz Scaggs
Lowdown - Boz Scaggs
Jojo - Boz Scaggs
Calling Elvis - Dire Straits
Heavy Fuel - Dire Straits
The Grind - Tommy Bolin
Homeward Strut - Tommy Bolin
Blues for Ronnie - Karizma (double drumming with Carlos Vega)
Space Glide - Lee Ritenour
Mother - Pink Floyd
Hold the Line - Toto
Rosanna - Toto
Girl Goodbye - Toto
Jake to the Bone - Toto
I love listening to him on Dire Straits' Heavy Fuel. Jeff lays an awesome groove to that song.
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My teacher just turned me on to Jeff's playing on "I Keep Forgetting" by Michael McDonald. Holy Moly!
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I keep forgetting is an amazing track.

Here's one of my fav Pocaro tracks - Burton Cummmings - my own way to rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpYqxQImaN8
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My personal favorite Jeff tracks:

Gaucho - Steely Dan
Black Friday - Steely Dan
Doctor Wu - Steely Dan
Chain Lightning - Steely Dan
Your Gold Teeth II - Steely Dan
King of the World - Steely Dan (from a very rare live performance at the Record Plant in 1974, playing double drums with Jim Hodder. As Donald Fagen puts it, "COOKIN!")
Night by Night - Steely Dan
Parker's Band - Steel Dan (double drumming with Jim Gordon)
FM - Steely Dan
Lido Shuffle - Boz Scaggs
Lowdown - Boz Scaggs
Jojo - Boz Scaggs
Calling Elvis - Dire Straits
Heavy Fuel - Dire Straits
The Grind - Tommy Bolin
Homeward Strut - Tommy Bolin
Blues for Ronnie - Karizma (double drumming with Carlos Vega)
Space Glide - Lee Ritenour
Mother - Pink Floyd
Hold the Line - Toto
Rosanna - Toto
Girl Goodbye - Toto
Jake to the Bone - Toto

Georgy Porgy - intricate and precise, no unnecessary drum fills that others cannot help adding and muddying up the whole mess, when they try to play the song
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Hi,
Also check out the tune:My Own Way to Rock by Burton Cummings; amazing shuffle on that one.
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I keep forgetting is an amazing track.

Here's one of my fav Pocaro tracks - Burton Cummmings - my own way to rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpYqxQImaN8

That's Jim Gordon, btw. "My Own Way to Rock", "Your Backyard", both great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdT6f6foZEI

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Brian - Wiki discography shows My Own Way to Rock is Jeff P no? my band plays it and I always thought it was Jeff.
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Found this Toto gig from 1991 on YT, Jeffs playing is amazing. Way better than the Paris 1990 DVD plus they do Jake To The Bone. That Polyrhythm he plays at the end 4 over 7 with that feel is just class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI2xDMw_r7U

We had a jam through Jake to the Bone last week funnily enough my mate did it for his recital about 11 years back, we got to the solo. I was proud of that!

I'd love to see what equipment he used on all those albums.
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I love listening to him on Dire Straits' Heavy Fuel. Jeff lays an awesome groove to that song.
I dare you not to steering wheel drum to the set of fills at the end of the song. Not a bonified hit but this is regularly on my playlist for the drums alone.
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Brian - Wiki discography shows My Own Way to Rock is Jeff P no? my band plays it and I always thought it was Jeff.
Guess I'm wrong about the studio? I thought it was Jim on most if not not all of those tracks. He recorded with Burton Cummings but it sounds like Jeff Porcaro was on some of those tracks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yODYOab3dew

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Great thrift and he really creates a nice feel for the song. I think the best grooves are like a rolling egg instead of a rolling ball. This egg rolls slow and then those great tom fills. Jeffs the man.
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Happy Birthday Jeff

some of Jeff's unsung work right here

you may not listen to this tune and say ... whoa, listen to that drumming ... but I do !!!

some of the best song drumming you will ever hear in your life right here

listen to Jeff just sit right in there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoXcRw9gJCA
I agree, such an economy of notes while playing the space and making it groove. And then, he integrates the toms into the mixture and that actually contributes to the song's identity. It wouldn't be the same tune without those fills and ornamentations.

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Great thrift and he really creates a nice feel for the song. I think the best grooves are like a rolling egg instead of a rolling ball. This egg rolls slow and then those great tom fills. Jeffs the man.
Yes, this is a great example of that "rolling egg" metaphor (or simile?). Wish I were as good as executing that kind of thing while I'm playing as I am at noticing it when I'm listening. ;-)
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266 – [Special Edition] Jeff Porcaro clinic at Musicians Institute in Hollywood, CA
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This audio is from Jeff Porcaro’s clinic at the famed Musicians Institute in Hollywood, California courtesy of Musicians Institute.

http://www.drummersresource.com/jeff...titute-clinic/
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So.. i play along with alot of random stuff on youtube at night.. and i was going along and ran into Lido Shuffle.. haven't heard it in forever.. so i figure ok.. then it starts and i'm WTF?! knew exactly who it was and just gave up and played my normal easy mode stuff:)

P.S. not that it's especially hard.. i just suck :)
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It is especially hard and especially so to make sound like he does. Its not you!
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take it easy on yourself. we all want to sound like JP, and none of us have succeeded.
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I really like Boz Scaggs song 'Lowdown'. Tasty 2 beat fill intro (3e+a 4_+a) into a beautifully played 1/16th groove. The kick pattern is nice, 3 strokes per bar. The '1', and the 'a3'. Played so clean.
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I really like Boz Scaggs song 'Lowdown'. Tasty 2 beat fill intro (3e+a 4_+a) into a beautifully played 1/16th groove. The kick pattern is nice, 3 strokes per bar. The '1', and the 'a3'. Played so clean.
Such a good track. Sort of amazing how the two hi-hat parts manage to deepen the groove without cluttering things up.
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thanks for sharing, never heard that before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-hKBmTAADo
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Instructional Video (1988)

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Default Re: Jeff Porcaro

"Breakin' Away" by Al Jarreau....classic Jeff Porcaro on that track. So good....
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