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Old 06-12-2018, 01:57 AM
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That one's pretty swank. Most places get the collapsible ones with the modular fabric panels. If I had one of those to play in I wouldn't much complain.
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I am considering getting one so I can play at home. But I am leaning towards not playing at home.
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Old 06-12-2018, 07:49 AM
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I have at a small studio near my house. It does feel like a fish tank too. It's pretty crazy, it's not fully soundproof but it definitely muffles the kit about 90%. And if you have nice isolation headphones you can really hear how the drums are going to record in there. The kit they have set up in there sounds awful when you just play around on it. But when you put your headphones on and turn on the mics the drums sound really good, it's pretty crazy
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Old 06-12-2018, 08:56 AM
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I hope that thing is well ventilated; it looks like it could easily get pretty hot during the course of a gig.
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:29 AM
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One would be advised against dropping ones guts in there.

I'm getting claustrophobic looking at it.

I wonder what time feeding is :)
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Old 06-12-2018, 11:01 AM
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Lol.. It looks ridiculous but I magine you get a clean sound if recording. Not for live playing..I've had to use some straight panels a few times because "the sound tech requires all drummers use the enclosure"!
But after a bit of pushback they relented.. It was a made up rule, probably so the sound guy could justify the expense of buying the damn things..
- basically we told the owners:
- everyone in the band hates it
- the drums sound muffled or non- existent to some band members
- it looks frickin ridiculous.. How many fishbowl jokes are there?
- it may make the sound guys job a bit easier to dial in the sound.. But from the band and audience perspective its a total fail..I'll never go on stage in one of those things again!Twice was too many times..
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Old 06-12-2018, 03:03 PM
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I used to play behind one at church years ago.

I started taking off the panels and put them in front of the guitar amps.

I thought it was funny.

They didn't.

I don't go to that church anymore.
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I used to play behind one at church years ago.

I started taking off the panels and put them in front of the guitar amps.

I thought it was funny.

They didn't.

I don't go to that church anymore.
I started subbing for the regular drummer at a church that had this plywood/carpet/Plexiglas drum sarcophagus they would seal you in. It was ridiculous. From the audience the drums sounded like you were hitting blankets. I asked why they used that and was told "so the sound guy can control the drums". I replied "sounds like you need a new sound guy if he has to wrap the drums in that mausoleum."

The sound guy was not very friendly to me after that. :)
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Lol.. It looks ridiculous but I magine you get a clean sound if recording. Not for live playing..I've had to use some straight panels a few times because "the sound tech requires all drummers use the enclosure"!
But after a bit of pushback they relented.. It was a made up rule, probably so the sound guy could justify the expense of buying the damn things..
- basically we told the owners:
- everyone in the band hates it
- the drums sound muffled or non- existent to some band members
- it looks frickin ridiculous.. How many fishbowl jokes are there?
- it may make the sound guys job a bit easier to dial in the sound.. But from the band and audience perspective its a total fail..I'll never go on stage in one of those things again!Twice was too many times..
My take is that it's a PR job by leadership to keep the vocal minority from complaining about the drums being too loud.

The "perception" is that drums are quieter inside the enclosure. Smoke and mirrors.
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I'm thoroughly sick of hearing how we should cater to the sound guy. What is his responsibility? Who does he cater to?

He's working just like us and he doesn't get to be in charge of others. He's the friggin help.

That said, I rarely deal with them thank you very much. Like once every 3 years at a festival or something, and I don't encroach on his territory. Too much risk of sabotage. Sabotage. It shouldn't even be something we have to think about.
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No....but some of the guys in my band way back when thought of putting me in a straight jacket.
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One would be advised against dropping ones guts in there.

I'm getting claustrophobic looking at it.

I wonder what time feeding is :)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ had a sign like this on a drum screen at a gig I played many years ago lol
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Old 06-12-2018, 06:23 PM
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A band in our area has the drummer inside one.

I'm not a fan of those things at all. My take is - if a band needs a quieter drummer, the drummer should play quieter, not force the drummer to sit inside one of those.

In a studio, I'd do whatever was asked of me. Live - ain't no way I'm playing in one of those. Life is too short, and I would Not enjoy that at all. And, to me personally, it's not a good look. Just my opinion.
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Old 06-12-2018, 06:24 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ had a sign like this on a drum screen at a gig I played many years ago lol
And, of course - the band I am referring to has that sign on the cage.
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So I think this is simply a recording studio... Not a performance stage.

In this case, it's perfectly acceptable/preferable to have isolation between the drum mics and the other players. Being clear nearly all the way around helps with the connection to the other players for simultaneous or scratch track playing.

From what I can see, it's not a drum shield for a stage.

But I don't want anyone to put away torches or pitchforks, because those stage-cages are terrible and nobody should be subjected to that.
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So I think this is simply a recording studio... Not a performance stage.
It is in a 400-500 seat sanctuary: https://www.reddit.com/r/drums/comme..._like/e0hfzjt/
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So I think this is simply a recording studio... Not a performance stage.

In this case, it's perfectly acceptable/preferable to have isolation between the drum mics and the other players. Being clear nearly all the way around helps with the connection to the other players for simultaneous or scratch track playing.

From what I can see, it's not a drum shield for a stage.

But I don't want anyone to put away torches or pitchforks, because those stage-cages are terrible and nobody should be subjected to that.
I've pointed out several times that the level of experience and skill possessed by both the musicians and the sound engineers at most churches is variable, and often both performer and sound crew positions are volunteer. The sound screen becomes a valid tool to rein in over-exuberant drummers who beat cymbals like they owe them money, and to help a sound guy out when he's not sure why there's so much raw stage volume bleeding into the vocalists' microphones.

Are they a cure-all? No, they are not. They are honestly the result of some slick advertising on the part of plexiglass companies to sell product. They cut a little high end and prevent loud cymbals from being obnoxious on stage; but as this thread clearly shows, many folks see the product, read the ad copy on the Musician's Friend website, and think it's going to soundproof the drumset from the rest of the stage - an engineer's dream, right? They do help a bit, but more than once I've seen a worship leader shake his head and say, "I thought it would make them a lot quieter!" And if you have no mikes on the drums at all, they shouldn't be used - because then the drums sound as if they're two rooms away to the audience, all boom and no crack.
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That's very odd. There's even chairs and headphones next to each setup... This looks exactly like most of the studios I've visited... Perhaps a little nicer! The lord demandith the drummer caged!

Edit... I guess my brain put the headphones in cause now I'm not seeing any. Still looks more like a studio than stage!
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I'm missing something. Is a 'sanctuary' a new name for a church or place of worship?
It does look like a snake aquarium.
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I'm missing something. Is a 'sanctuary' a new name for a church or place of worship?
It does look like a snake aquarium.
Forms of the word have been used since the dawn of man so no, this is not new.
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I'm missing something. Is a 'sanctuary' a new name for a church or place of worship?
The sanctuary is part of the church building that's the big room with rows of chairs or pews, traditionally with a choir loft, piano, organ, pulpit, etc. There are usually different classrooms and offices in a church building, but the sanctuary is the "big room" where everybody goes for worship service.

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The sanctuary is part of the church building that's the big room with rows of chairs or pews, traditionally with a choir loft, piano, organ, pulpit, etc. There are usually different classrooms and offices in a church building, but the sanctuary is the "big room" where everybody goes for worship service.

Thanks. I went to church (with pews, altar etc.) the 1st half of my life and the term was never used. The pic shown did look like a studio.
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Thanks. I went to church (with pews, altar etc.) the 1st half of my life and the term was never used. The pic shown did look like a studio.
Many older churches weren't much more than the sanctuary. Maybe with an office, some storage, and some bathrooms, but predominantly just the great communal space. Especially in rural areas. So, referring to what is essentially the church as a sanctuary was a bit superfluous.

There's a pretty amazing difference in church design from say 1900, to 1960, to now.
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There's a pretty amazing difference in church design from say 1900, to 1960, to now.

I agree wholeheartedly. I've been in some state-of-the-art churches that had a $100k light rig, and I've been in some that didn't even have any sort of mics or PA system because it simply didn't need it by design (old growth hardwood floors, small room, with high ceiling with just a piano over in the corner of the room).
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Man, just a few weeks ago I played in one of these AT A CLUB.

It was obviously to give the sound man more control over the drums, and nothing else - the club was very large, extremely high ceilings, lots of room for the audience to move around. Plus, there was a drum riser 20 feet off the floor (lots of fun moving gear up and down from there). There was zero chance of the drums being too loud.

I had misgivings going in, but since the ceilings were so high, it actually didn't sound too bad inside the plexi-cage. Had no idea what it sounded like OUTSIDE the cage, though. My band members told me the drums sounded muffled, and a few of the audience members mentioned the same thing. I was a little ticked off to have played my ass off for an hour, only to find that the drums sounded underwhelming up front. I play in a fairly straightforward style, so much of my effort goes into making sure the snare drum really cuts through; very frustrating to know that I'd been sonically castrated.

In a studio, I don't see the problem - very often the rest of the band is separated from the drummer anyway. But live? I'd avoid whenever possible.
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