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Old 04-21-2016, 11:17 PM
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Well? Punk?

I solo less than 10 times a year lol. Which is fine with me.
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Old 04-21-2016, 11:21 PM
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Almost never in a live show situation. At jams it comes up more often, usually through the unspoken nods followed by silence from all the other instruments.
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Old 04-21-2016, 11:29 PM
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Never, I don't solo. I find it boring to listen to so I don't inflict it on anyone else.
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Sometimes when a guest singer sits in, many times they give solos to everyone. Many times I decline it. I don't like taking solos in a shuffle song, and I certainly don't want to take a solo in Otis Redding's "Sittin' on the Dock of the Bay".

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Old 04-22-2016, 12:37 AM
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Never. I would rather just play a funky beat and a couple of cool fills during a 4 or 8 bar break during a song.
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Sometimes when a guest singer sits in, many times they give solos to everyone. Many times I decline it. I don't like taking solos in a shuffle song, and I certainly don't want to take a solo in Otis Redding's "Sittin' on the Dock of the Bay".

I pick my battles.
That song does not lend to drum solos. You'd have to do some type of jazz style melodic solo or something.
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Never, unless there's a specific drum solo in the song, in which case I play it as close as possible. If I'm made to do a solo at a jam, I talk to that person afterwards so that it never happens again.

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Old 04-22-2016, 01:32 AM
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Not often enough.

I think drummers should solo at least once every gig.
I'm not talking about a five minute solo. I'm talking about one or two verses.
Who cares if the drummers and the other musicians don't like it.
The audience needs drum solos and they like them!

If you went to see one of your favorite drummers and they did not solo, you would be very disappointed.


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Old 04-22-2016, 02:12 AM
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I rarely get asked. At the jams I frequent, most of the regulars know better. Partly because I'm predisposed to not want to, and often I'm a lefty playing on a righty kit or maybe with a couple of pieces moved and I'm just not in any kind of comfort zone to do so.

In my own bands, I've never had a moment where I thought it was appropriate. Maybe a drum break where I'm hammering out an ostinato or playing a groove for several bars, but never really a full on solo.

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Never, I don't solo. I find it boring to listen to so I don't inflict it on anyone else.
This is my basic philosophy. There are certainly exceptions.

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Sometimes when a guest singer sits in, many times they give solos to everyone. Many times I decline it. I don't like taking solos in a shuffle song, and I certainly don't want to take a solo in Otis Redding's "Sittin' on the Dock of the Bay".
This happens to me most of the time. I appreciate that they're being egalitarian about it, but c'mon man, use your ears; drum solos aren't appropriate for that stuff.

There's some guys around here who like doing Watermelon Man or Chameleon by Herbie Hancock, and I don't mind doing a few bars over that stuff, as long as the band is playing the stabs for me to work around. I've done that over Shaky Ground and Circles, too. I really don't like when the whole band drops out for a drum solo. Does the whole band just drop when a guitar player hits a solo? Why is it par for the course to do so for drums?

Also trading 4s with a good bass player can be fun.

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Not often enough.

I think drummers should solo at least once every gig.
I'm not talking about a five minute solo. I'm talking about one or two verses.
Who cares if the drummers and the other musicians don't like it.
The audience needs drum solos and they like them!

If you went to see one of your favorite drummers and they did not solo, you would be very disappointed.
There's precious few bands I enjoy where it would be musically appropriate for a full on drum solo. I'm more likely to be very disappointed if the overall experience suffers to break the vibe for a drum solo.
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Old 04-22-2016, 02:22 AM
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In bands I arrange music for, I give myself a solo a set, but they're usually short, 16 bar sort of things.
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Often, I've played with bands that want more than I want to give, but agree with Hollywood's thoughts/approach.
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Ixnay the Olosay.

I get asked a few times a year to solo and I always decline. I dislike drum solos unless you are a world class dude, and even then - I'll listen to a heavy groove for 5 minutes with just as much (or more) interest.

Don't get me wrong, I love chops and technique and showmanship , all in check.

When people give me hard time about not wanting to play solos - I always revert to asking "You like Jeff Porcaro" ? (always answered with an enthusiastic "yes !!" ) - then proceed to explain that Jeff absolutely HATED drum solos and never played them...ever. Not sayin' that I'm as good as Jeff or will ever be - but not playing a solo or not wanting to doesn't diminish me as a musician/performer/entertainer/sideman/whateveryouwannacallit

Finally - truth be told - I'm just not that good at it. I have chops and groove and can play. Soloing is my kryptonite. I don't work at making it better either - and that's totally fine. I can play guitar better than most drummers. So there. :P
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Old 04-22-2016, 02:48 AM
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I never get asked to. The $$$ is in the grooving.
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Old 04-22-2016, 03:02 AM
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I solo mostly on every song but the ballads!

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I am a Jazz drummer so I solo several times per session.
If I play other forms of music i solo once per performance.
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Old 04-22-2016, 05:28 AM
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Never been asked.

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Old 04-22-2016, 05:37 AM
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I am a Jazz drummer so I solo several times per session.

Your first sentence reminded me of that scene in Sting's Bring On The Night where Branford Marsalis is being interviewed and he declares, "I am a jazz musician - I know what it's like to play $hi& nobody wants to hear".

Every time I played jazz after that I discovered how true that was ;)
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Mostly I get the request at jams. Maybe that's another reason I don't really love jams! I'll be playing with someone who figures out I know what I'm doing behind the kit and they want a solo.

I don't like soloing and am not very good at it, so if they ASK me, I decline. Once in a while, though, they'll just stop and I have to solo... usually during some song that isn't at all conducive to anything I'd remotely want to express.

Ah well. As a guitarist friend of mine says at the end of a rough night, nobody died.

(Someone else said they can't solo well to a shuffle. I have a trick for that. I was 11 or 12 when Kiss Alive came out, and I learned the solo in 100,000 Years. Whenever anyone dumps me into a solo in any kind of shuffle, I pull out my 1975 Peter Criss licks, lol. They aren't hard, but people seem to enjoy them, and I learned them at a time in life when things actually stuck in my brain. Go figure!)
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Old 04-22-2016, 05:53 AM
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Mostly I get the request at jams. Maybe that's another reason I don't really love jams! I'll be playing with someone who figures out I know what I'm doing behind the kit and they want a solo.

I don't like soloing and am not very good at it, so if they ASK me, I decline. Once in a while, though, they'll just stop and I have to solo... usually during some song that isn't at all conducive to anything I'd remotely want to express.

Ah well. As a guitarist friend of mine says at the end of a rough night, nobody died.

(Someone else said they can't solo well to a shuffle. I have a trick for that. I was 11 or 12 when Kiss Alive came out, and I learned the solo in 100,000 Years. Whenever anyone dumps me into a solo in any kind of shuffle, I pull out my 1975 Peter Criss licks, lol. They aren't hard, but people seem to enjoy them, and I learned them at a time in life when things actually stuck in my brain. Go figure!)
I sorta commend Peter Criss on that performance. It was a great solo based in 12/8 and you don't hear a lot of that, so even though it doesn't sound difficult, to hold an audience that long with what he played is not something you can laugh at. I've always loved that about that track. Same thing with Detroit Rock City - that song is a shuffle too! Who knew KISS was best as a shuffle band?
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I sorta commend Peter Criss on that performance. It was a great solo based in 12/8 and you don't hear a lot of that, so even though it doesn't sound difficult, to hold an audience that long with what he played is not something you can laugh at. I've always loved that about that track. Same thing with Detroit Rock City - that song is a shuffle too! Who knew KISS was best as a shuffle band?
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Both of my regular gigs - every show. It feels a bit douchey to be honest but there are so many guitar solos that it wouldn't be balanced if I didn't.
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8 bars in a round robin during Hound Dog. That's more than I want or need.

If I have to do the Beatles medley I'll do the Golden Slumbers solo to link Daytripper and Hard Day's Night. But that's a tip of the cap to Ringo.

I get paid to be in the pocket and I'm a groover anyways so it's win/win for me.
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Rarely.
I often get asked to stop.
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I probably solo for 12 bars every 10th gig. So not overy often.
Usually its the end of the night and the singer is losing his voice so he decides to introduce each member of the band for a chorus each during 'Johnny B Goode'. I don't enjoy it, never have anything planned, but since everyone else does one, I can't really complain.
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Used to be very, very rarely but now with one of my bands it's at every gig as one of the newer songs in our set (an energetic cover of Paul Simons 'Boy in the Bubble') ends in a flurry and the band have decided a drum solo must happen, which then leads into the next song.

I don’t enjoy it but they won the majority vote and the audiences have reacted well so far so for now I guess it will stay in the set.
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Musical context is everything.

Small group jazz: a lot, every gig. Sometimes trading bars, sometimes taking full choruses.

Bar band: once per-night, on about half the gigs.

Recording session for singer-songwriter: never.
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I find it curious that the overwhelming majority could never take a solo again and not miss it. That's a fundamentally opposite approach from guitarists. Not knocking guitarists at all, I just find it curious. I'm glad they like to solo because I don't.

I suspect that it's because the whole rest of the band drops out. I mean really, if the rest of the band dropped out for the guitar solos, the guitarist would probably feel the same way.

I have no problem soloing as long as the rest of the band doesn't stop. I can trade 4's or 8's very comfortably. Even soloing in between band stabs is a lot easier than being left to twist in the wind. When the rest of the band stops, not only do I have to keep the time, plus phrase some kind of "lead" line, I'm also supposed to maintain the form. Frankly, the form suffers. I just don't have enough brain power to do all 3. I feel abandoned when I have to solo, which kind of sucks, because I have their backs all night every night.

I can understand why the band drops out, a lot of drum solos are out of time. Which is a cardinal sin in my mind. Anyone can play an out of time solo, even me. But when the groove must be maintained, in addition to a "lead" line, that increases the difficulty 5 fold for me. Then add the form in, and the wheels come right off for me. I'm surprised that so far not one person has said how much they love to solo. Very revealing.
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If I played mostly in bar/dancing situations probably never, but I don't so there is usually a solo required at some point.

If it's not a jazz type of situation it's a school situation, a reqruitment concert or a funky fusion jam, so showing off the drums on equal terms is just natural.
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I get asked to play Solo all the time. Actually I'm asked to play solo that no once can hear me.
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I hate drum solos unless they are played like Antonio Sanchez or Brian Blade plays them. You know the kind of solos that make you think '' that was way too short''. When do you ever hear that at a show? To be fair I feel the same about guitar solos as well except for the ones that are played within the song those are totally cool.
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[quote=larryace;1431493]I find it curious that the overwhelming majority could never take a solo again and not miss it. That's a fundamentally opposite approach from guitarists. Not knocking guitarists at all, I just find it curious. I'm glad they like to solo because I don't. [quote]

For me I think it comes with experience, when I was in my teens and at uni it was all about being as fast and as fancy as possible and using technique to get there but as you progress as a player it's all about feel and just laying those foundation for everyone else to build on.

My best mate who's a guitarist followed the same path, problem is if we share a stage the old demons come out but in a good way!

The eureka moment came for me when my local drum shop had a Bernard Purdie instructional video on, I watched the whole thing in the shop and thought that's what drumming is about, that's the kind of player I want to be so at the grand old age of 32 I feel I'm a way better player than I used to be. Most people would say discipline is harder to master than soloing.
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I find it curious that the overwhelming majority could never take a solo again and not miss it. That's a fundamentally opposite approach from guitarists. Not knocking guitarists at all, I just find it curious. I'm glad they like to solo because I don't.

I suspect that it's because the whole rest of the band drops out. I mean really, if the rest of the band dropped out for the guitar solos, the guitarist would probably feel the same way.

I have no problem soloing as long as the rest of the band doesn't stop. I can trade 4's or 8's very comfortably. Even soloing in between band stabs is a lot easier than being left to twist in the wind. When the rest of the band stops, not only do I have to keep the time, plus phrase some kind of "lead" line, I'm also supposed to maintain the form. Frankly, the form suffers. I just don't have enough brain power to do all 3. I feel abandoned when I have to solo, which kind of sucks, because I have their backs all night every night.

I can understand why the band drops out, a lot of drum solos are out of time. Which is a cardinal sin in my mind. Anyone can play an out of time solo, even me. But when the groove must be maintained, in addition to a "lead" line, that increases the difficulty 5 fold for me. Then add the form in, and the wheels come right off for me. I'm surprised that so far not one person has said how much they love to solo. Very revealing.
Probably cos the guitar is a melodic instrument, in some hands anyway. There are some guitarists I could listen to all day, making me cry or sing depending on there mood. For me drums have a different but no less important function, to help make the rest of the band sound good.
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Old 04-22-2016, 07:12 PM
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You know, Jeff Porcaro said he never took a solo. See where that mentality got him in his career?
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Depends on the gig I'm on. Most jazz gigs will have drum solos (either trading or a whole chorus) in maybe 60% - 70% of the songs.

If I'm playing with a rockabilly band or sitting in with a rock band, I wouldn't expect to solo at all.

Really it comes down to if it can benefit the song. If you can make a musical statement that enhances the song, then solo. If not, then there is no reason to. A solo shouldn't be a time to show off your chops, it should be a time to showcase your ability to enhance the song.
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Old 04-22-2016, 08:23 PM
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Right after the drunk guy that was just yelling 'FREEEEEEBIRD' starts yelling 'DRUMMMMSOLO'.

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Funny story: I played with a rockabilly band in MA, and this drunk guy came over when we were starting to pack up and wanted us to play another song. The singer said no, that we had to pack up et cetera.

So then he goes over to me and says How about a drum solo? I decline.

Then he pulls out $100 and throws it on my drums and starts chanting drum solo. needless to say, I played the solo for him, and that's the best tip I ever got for a drum solo.
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Don't do them. Not strong on them and I just don't think they fit in with just any song. We play Sweet Home Chicago and a round robin to highlight everyone is about as far as I go. If I ever do have to it will be a groove with some melodic fills but nothing like many think of as a drum solo. I have been working to extend the end of Rock and Roll for say 4 extra bars but that is it.
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Funny story: I played with a rockabilly band in MA, and this drunk guy came over when we were starting to pack up and wanted us to play another song. The singer said no, that we had to pack up et cetera.

So then he goes over to me and says How about a drum solo? I decline.

Then he pulls out $100 and throws it on my drums and starts chanting drum solo. needless to say, I played the solo for him, and that's the best tip I ever got for a drum solo.
Love it! lol Yeah, I'd solo under those conditions, too!
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