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Old 09-19-2012, 01:41 AM
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I was in the park today, and there was four-piece jazz band playing. All of a sudden, I hear some double-bass fills come out of nowhere. I tried asking the drummer about it after their set but I didn't get the chance.

Naturally, I was pretty curious about jazz and double-bass in the same sentence, so I did some research when I got home. I found this helpful little DRUM! article I thought you guys might find interesting...



http://www.drummagazine.com/lessons/...s-jazz-bashin/
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:56 AM
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This guy was way ahead of his time in that regard: http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Louie_Bellson.html
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:22 AM
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Know your history: Louie Bellson, Ed Shaughnessy, Rufus Jones, Stu Martin, all jazz drummers and all played double bass drums. Even Buddy Rich dabbled with just two bass drums at one time (without the rest of the kit for a showcase spot).
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:17 AM
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Guys like Art Blakey, Elvin Jones and Tony could (and would) hit them drums really fricking loud.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:27 AM
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Wow! I never would have guessed the great jazz drummers used two bass drums. Thanks for this interesting imformation.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:54 AM
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Know your history: Louie Bellson, Ed Shaughnessy, Rufus Jones, Stu Martin, all jazz drummers and all played double bass drums. Even Buddy Rich dabbled with just two bass drums at one time (without the rest of the kit for a showcase spot).
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:26 AM
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Even Steve Gadd has a double pedal now. The war has been lost lol
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Doh! How could I forget that guy? I'm an idiot ;)
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Even Steve Gadd has a double pedal now. The war has been lost lol
HA!

It's logical that the two things that have the least interest to general audiences - double bass and jazz - should naturally come together.
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Old 09-19-2012, 07:34 AM
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Doh! How could I forget that guy? I'm an idiot ;)
Well, the thread is "jazz", not fusion so you were operating within the set boundaries before Anthony smashed through the barries (as he does) with BC.

So if we're including fusioneers, how about proggers? Like Neil Peart! He's played big band ...


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HA!

It's logical that the two things that have the least interest to general audiences - double bass and jazz - should naturally come together.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:31 PM
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I'll add two more... Sam Woodyard (Ellington's Band) & Jack Sperling (Bunny Berigan, Glenn Miller, Goodman, Pete Fountain and let's not forget "Peter Gunn" music under the direction of H. Mancini).
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:46 PM
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The early jazz drummers (1920s and probably before then, even) used to reach down and play the bass drum with a stick/mallet/brush, alternating with the pedal. It was the only way to get more complex patterns, because pedals were so sluggish in those days.

It's still a relevant technique...something to fall back on if you don't have a double pedal.
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:51 PM
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Modern day..how about Dave Weckl.Double bass drumming was invented by the old guys.Louis Bellson is acknowledged to have been the first.He also invented the extra deep bass drum,and a slightly larger version of the octoban.....in 1947.

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Modern day..how about Dave Weckl.Double bass drumming was invented by the old guys.Louis Bellson is acknowledged to have been the first.He also invented the extra deep bass drum,and a slightly larger version of the octoban.....in 1947.

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Yep, double bass drum kits came from jazz drummers initially, it's only later in the 60's that 2 bass drums became popular in rock music, with drummer like Ginger Baker.

In today's modern jazz, many drummers use a double bass drum or a double pedal.

Often, 2 bass drums are linked to heavy rock, prog rock, metal, fusion and the likes, but it all started in jazz, which in a funny kind of way, is logical.
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Old 09-19-2012, 05:11 PM
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Well, the thread is "jazz", not fusion so you were operating within the set boundaries before Anthony smashed through the barries (as he does) with BC.
is this not jazz?
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Old 09-19-2012, 05:12 PM
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(...) Often, 2 bass drums are linked to heavy rock, prog rock, metal, fusion and the likes, but it all started in jazz, which in a funny kind of way, is logical.
Think of electric guitar shapes like the Explorer or Flying V - invented/intended for Jazz, didn't make it there but were gladly accepted by Rock.
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Old 09-19-2012, 06:25 PM
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Know your history: Louie Bellson, Ed Shaughnessy, Rufus Jones, Stu Martin, all jazz drummers and all played double bass drums. Even Buddy Rich dabbled with just two bass drums at one time (without the rest of the kit for a showcase spot).
Are you suggesting that Mace170 should have done more research before posting on this discussion forum? Don't understand why the "Know your history" remark was necessary.
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Old 09-19-2012, 07:28 PM
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Are you suggesting that Mace170 should have done more research before posting on this discussion forum? Don't understand why the "Know your history" remark was necessary.
Good grief. Three words. If I used more words and said, "you should know this history" it probably would've sounded more elegant but it doesn't include him in this great fraternity of drummers. Mace didn't seem too upset about it. Are you ok?
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Old 09-19-2012, 07:46 PM
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Good grief. Three words. If I used more words and said, "you should know this history" it probably would've sounded more elegant but it doesn't include him in this great fraternity of drummers. Mace didn't seem too upset about it. Are you ok?
how could you Matt?????
don't you care at all about any of our feelings????!!!!!

every time you type such abrasive comments a part of my soul dies !!

thanks for ruining my week.

let's hope next week you won't be so cruel

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Old 09-19-2012, 08:25 PM
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Dejohnette used two bass drums, tuned to different pitches, for awhile in the late 70'só I think I know of only one record where I was able to pick him out using them, Batik, by Ralph Towner. Tony Oxley has also probably had some kind of drum under his left foot at some point.

Does anyone have an example of those older guys using the two bass drums in anything other than a solo context? I can't say I remember hearing them using them in the course of ordinary playing.
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Isnt' this a double bass?
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Isnt' this a double bass?
It is, sort of - different context though.

Well strictly speaking, it _isn't_. It's merely a _depiction_ of a double bass, or that thing people agreed to call double bass (using that arbitrary thing called language).
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:27 PM
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Steve Smith - an awesome jazz drummer, and just an awesome drummer all-round - uses a double pedal on some of his jazz work.

Check out his two DVDs from the 2000s...
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Modern Jazz... Simon Phillips...

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Yes it is... and Stanley's very good with it :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LM30...E00A59D5448172
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how could you Matt?????
don't you care at all about any of our feelings????!!!!!

every time you type such abrasive comments a part of my soul dies !!

thanks for ruining my week.

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Sorry. I'm trying to get myself off of caffeinated beverages. I feel like a new person oddly enough.
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It is, sort of - different context though.
No, I say the OP is in the wrong context!! I mean, if anyone reads "Jazz Double Bass",
what else would he expect?

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