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Old 02-23-2012, 04:19 AM
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Hey guys I just got a new set earlier today and I was really wondering if there is a "correct" sound to get with toms and I was just wondering the best way to tune or the best vid on youtube to tune my drums. I have the Pearl Birch Artisan II fusion Set 10" and 12" rack toms with 16" floor tom. Thank you!
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:33 AM
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Look up Bob Gatzen on youtube.

Also, Thomas Lang talks about tuning for about 5 minutes in a video from a clinic that is over an hour long.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:24 AM
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A good way to learn what sound YOU like is to tune the batter head to a certain pitch and then tune the reso head up or down and find the zones that it sounds good in *there will be a few* and take it too low of a tuning and too high of a tuning (too low and it will get a wrinkly nasty sound....too high will choke the drum or start to give gross high ringing tones)

Once you learn what the bottom (reso) head does (tuned lower than the batter and higher) then you will be able to choose which zone you like on which drum. I mostly like the resos higher.

-----------------------------------------------------On to tuning

Bob Gatzen has great tuning videos...there are many other great videos on youtube I am sure...but his are top notch.

---A few tricks:

Tap a lug about an inch or two away from the lug THEN tap the lug right next to it (either direction but lets just assume we are working clockwise) are they the same pitch? IF NOT: choose the pitch you want (the higher or lower of the two lugs)

now go to the lug directly across from it and tune THAT LUG a bit in the direction you want to take the lug you are tapping (keep going in-between the two lugs you are tapping) once you hear a bit of a pitch change in the desired direction move to the next lug clockwise....work your way around the drum making nice easy changes to the lugs till the are all at the same pitch....it does NOT take long once you get the hang of it!!!


*This is a bit different than what Gatzen says on youtube, but just try it and see what works for you. Do not be afraid to make the drum sound bad....that is the only way to learn what sounds good :)
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:10 AM
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Hey there. I bought a PDP Mainstage kit and I'm having some trouble trying to tune it.Toms, bass drum snare, everything. I got the kit on Christmas and I've been practicing some beats, but it doesn't necessarily have the sound I'm looking for. I tried taking all the heads off of the toms and bass drum and tried fine tuning them there. I've watched a few tuning tutorials on Youtube, but nothing seems to work. I was thinking it could possibly be the drum heads from me beating on them because at first they sounded okay, but since I took them apart for tuning now they sound crappy. I was thinking that maybe the drum heads need to be replaced, but I'm not quite sure.
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:56 AM
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In my mind there are only 3 "correct" things in regards to tuning.
1) Tensions should be even around the hoop. Long term uneven tensions may warp the hoop.
2) Don't tune the head so low that it wrinkles. A loose head is prone to dents.
3) Don't tune the head so high that it chokes. An overly tight head may tear.

After those, everything is subjective (depending on your taste), and variable (depending on heads, rims, shell, etc.). So start off with Gatzen as others have suggested, then take your time to find a setup you like.
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Old 02-25-2012, 02:51 AM
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Google " drum tuning bible" by Prof. Drum . Excellent reference. Take the time to know and learn this important part of drumming. You might dislike the pains of tuning at first but then come to love it.
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Old 05-05-2013, 11:55 AM
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My question is about how drum placement can/could/should affect tuning.
I just bought a new Saturn IV (Trans Ash Burl Burst finish), which has 2 rack toms and 2 floor toms. But I'm considering placing the smaller floor tom to my left, next to the hi-hat. This way my hands would be free to use floor toms and rack toms and the snare without crossing over or having to turn too much to the right. But would it affect how I should tune them? Because the tune-difference would be quite big between the 12" rack and the 16" floor in case of a "tom run-down" (like 10"->12"->16"). Or is this not an issue? I know that this too is personal preference, but is there a proven fault in retuning them, or leaving the tuning as it is, or something? I'm probably not the only one who's thinking about placing toms like this, and I was hoping that someone here have tried this once and knows the pros and cons of this placement/idea.

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Old 05-05-2013, 12:55 PM
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This is a great place to start!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISdMNKb-hjc
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Old 05-05-2013, 03:53 PM
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This is a great place to start!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISdMNKb-hjc
This is a great way to tune drums. There is another version of this tuning method on the Evans website with Will Kennedy. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:56 PM
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In my opinion you should tune your drums in the actual sequential pattern to the sizes of the drums. It doesn't matter where you place each individual instrument. What does matter is how you play them, not their tuning. If it feels more natural to reach across to get to your smaller floor tom, then fine. In my opinion this is a non issue concerning their actual tuning.

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Old 05-06-2013, 06:21 PM
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In my opinion you should tune your drums in the actual sequential pattern to the sizes of the drums. It doesn't matter where you place each individual instrument. What does matter is how you play them, not their tuning. If it feels more natural to reach across to get to your smaller floor tom, then fine. In my opinion this is a non issue concerning their actual tuning.

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Let me refrase my question (maybe you answered it correctly, but my understanding could have been flawed, so please, bear with me! My english is not the best!)
My potential issue would be the difference in "sound/tone distance" during an occasional tom run-down. Could it sound awkward? Like: 10"->12"=noticably shorter distance in tone, than the distance in tone between the 12" and the 16". So during a rundown that would be highly noticable!
I would never do a run-down like this: 10->12->jump to my left, to the 14" in Mangini-style->then jump to my right, to my 16" mangini-style! For the simple reason that I'm not that fast and/or technical! But this placement would allow me to use either my left or my right on a lower tom (floor toms) during a fill (mostly dynamic/rhythmic fills, not fast ones), without having to cross over. So my 14" would be an "occasional sound", only when the sticking creates a situation, where it is easier to use my left on a floor tom. Would what you said still apply?
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:18 AM
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Let me rephrase my question (maybe you answered it correctly, but my understanding could have been flawed, so please, bear with me! My english is not the best!)
My potential issue would be the difference in "sound/tone distance" during an occasional tom run-down. Could it sound awkward? Like: 10"->12"=noticeably shorter distance in tone, than the distance in tone between the 12" and the 16". So during a rundown that would be highly noticeable!
I would never do a run-down like this: 10->12->jump to my left, to the 14" in Mangini-style->then jump to my right, to my 16" mangini-style! For the simple reason that I'm not that fast and/or technical! But this placement would allow me to use either my left or my right on a lower tom (floor toms) during a fill (mostly dynamic/rhythmic fills, not fast ones), without having to cross over. So my 14" would be an "occasional sound", only when the sticking creates a situation, where it is easier to use my left on a floor tom. Would what you said still apply?
Sorry for being this... ahm... donkey, but... :)
In the situation that you describe I would still tune my drums to each individual shell and not skew their tuning just because of placement. A lot of drummers use 10, 12 and 16" toms. If I had to put the 14" on my left side I would use it as a left hand auxiliary or "occasional" tom playing it with any of the other drums when needed. You really have to set up your kit to be able to negotiate around your kit for the type of music you mostly play. Here's a picture of two of my seven piece kits with an 8, 10, 12, 14 and 16" floor toms. I've been using this configuration for many years and although I might not take all the toms when I'm gigging, their order of positioning remains the same. I believe that we're both on the right track.





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Old 05-07-2013, 09:35 PM
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In the situation that you describe I would still tune my drums to each individual shell and not skew their tuning just because of placement. A lot of drummers use 10, 12 and 16" toms. If I had to put the 14" on my left side I would use it as a left hand auxiliary or "occasional" tom playing it with any of the other drums when needed. You really have to set up your kit to be able to negotiate around your kit for the type of music you mostly play. Here's a picture of two of my seven piece kits with an 8, 10, 12, 14 and 16" floor toms. I've been using this configuration for many years and although I might not take all the toms when I'm gigging, their order of positioning remains the same. I believe that we're both on the right track.





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Hi, like another post said, Youtube is a great resource. A member here actually helped me immensely (CDRUMS21) look for some of his posts on tuning. His system may not be for everyone but it worked out great for me. Now tuning is not a mystery to me anymore. Also here is a guide that may help you. It will show you the size of the drum and the range of nots that work best for that drum.
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Because the tune-difference would be quite big between the 12" rack and the 16" floor in case of a "tom run-down" (like 10"->12"->16"). Or is this not an issue?
Definitely not an issue. Separation is good. I use 10/12/16 toms all the time. I do have a 14" floor tom, I choose not to use it. Tom runs sound just fine going from 12 to 16. No issue Watso ever lol.

2b, I never saw that diagram before. Very interesting and useful, thanks for putting that up. Do your real life tests concur with this diagram?
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Yes, for example. My 10" tom is tuned to a d# both top & bottom head, gets that Dave Weckl tone. My 12" tom is tuned to a G, top & bottom, my 14" floor tom is an E on top F on bottom and my 16 floor is a D on top with an E on bottom, tuning the reso on those two drums a bit tighter cuts a little bit of the ring so it's a nice deep punch. No need for any moon gel on any of the drums.
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I encountered a weird thing during tuning my drums. I have a 10-12-14-16 tom setup, tuned them relatively the same tone-distance from each other (high to low of course). To help myself during tuning, I'm using a Tama Tension watch, than I'm tapping the drums with my fingers, to fine-tune the result. Individually my toms sound great (I could also say: amazing!), reso heads bit tighter than the batters. But i noticed that when I do double-tom hits (like 10+14 or 12+16) something is off. If I hit the 10+14, it gives me a certain tone. Presumably the 12+16 would sound lower. But it does not! The overtones(?) create a sound which makes me think that the 12+16 is higher in tone than the 10+14. I even tried the 10+14 and the 12+14 hits as well, with the same result.

I tried to alter the tightness of the 12" tom on both sides, but I'm still experiencing this weird thing.
Honestly, the only thing I can think of is the overtones of two separate toms "merge", and create a third sound/note/tone that messes up my tom-sound.
Does anyone have any idea what this could be? Or how to solve it? The thing is: my toms sound amazing if I don't do double hits, but I'll need that sound too, so... It must be something with the reso heads and/or the overtones, but no clue what! :(

Thanks for any ideas!
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