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Old 04-05-2010, 05:24 PM
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I am curious, why do you use the hi hat when you are not playing on it?.......to keep time, and it's easy to play like that....or do you do it for texture and what not?

I personally do it because it adds texture, i don't do it because it helps me, it can become a hinderance in some situations
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Old 04-05-2010, 06:41 PM
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Strangely enough sometimes when I'm keeping time with my left foot, it makes grooves easier to play. Especially when it's a loud situation it helps me from getting caught up in all the other music around me.

Very rarely do I use it for a certain sound if just my left foot is playing it...I'm no Jojo Mayer haha!
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I use it as another "voice". I try to figure out how it would be used best to complement a groove I'm playing...offbeats? Downbeats? 2 and 4? Clave? Chicks or splashes or sizzles (or all three)?
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Old 04-05-2010, 06:46 PM
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Bing " Max Roach" Then your question will be, How can I apply my hi hat for more creative and musical expression?
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:07 PM
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Just to help keep time, for me.
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:24 PM
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Depends... sometimes I use it to add the texture or even a counter rhythm, but I'd say 80% of the time it's force of habit to stomp out the 2 and 4. If I don't play it, it just feels like I'm not doing something right.
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Depends... sometimes I use it to add the texture or even a counter rhythm, but I'd say 80% of the time it's force of habit to stomp out the 2 and 4. If I don't play it, it just feels like I'm not doing something right.
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As a metronome, mainly. Unless you are playing with bright hats, they are mostly inaudible when simply opened and closed with most modern music venues today. But they make very nice accents with the stick when opened on quarter, half, or whole notes.
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I do it because I watched videos of my favourite drummers as I was learning and they did it, so I picked it up.

Aside from keeping time, it teaches you total limb separation. It's helpful for going onto things like double bass or whatever. I personally don't play that style of music but I'm sure for those that do it helped.
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I do it because I watched videos of my favourite drummers as I was learning and they did it, so I picked it up..
thats exactly what happened to me, but now i think many grooves sound better with a hi hat going, also nice to splash.
But i'd say that i really USE the hi hat in jazz more, it can sound great when you interweave it with the left hand, difficult though!
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i like using it when i play tom sections/phrasing, i don't really use it to keep time.
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I use it to keep time a lot.

There was a period when I was using two bass drums with the left bass drum being much larger, single-headed, and with as much resonance as I could get from it to contrast with my smaller tighter thumpy right kick. The idea wasn't to play typical double kick patterns, but to use two distinct and complimentary bass drum voices.

That got me to thinking about a whole new role for my left foot, not just as a time-keeper, but as another rhythmic element.

After I moved on from that experiment, I found myself playing left bass drum patterns on the hi-hat to really cool effect.

There are a lot of other drummers that have been doing this for a long time, but it's often subtle so I don't think I noticed they were doing it until I developed an ear for it.
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Old 04-06-2010, 12:47 AM
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In groove I never use it just to make beat more steady. It's always for sound color or some counterrhythm. Often I check out in mirror that my left foot isn't even rocking silently while I practice with metronome.
Other thing is riding with left foot. It's actually very advanced skill that even guys with huge double bass experience struggle. On crazy example is Anders Meinhardt who is able to play Es and As of 16th notes with his left foot and make it groove.

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Old 04-06-2010, 05:17 AM
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I use it for time: 2 and 4 in 4/4 time...it keeps everything else grounded and gives me something to fall back on if I lose count. Over the years it has become automatic. It just happens. The only bad thing is that I rock my left foot back on my heel on 1 and 3...it is a really bad habit and too difficult to stop at my advanced age.

In off time stuff I still use it for time keeping, like on 2 and 5 on Take Five.
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The only bad thing is that I rock my left foot back on my heel on 1 and 3...it is a really bad habit and too difficult to stop at my advanced age.

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Is that really a band habit? I have seen a lot of people play that way, and occasionally do it myself on slower tunes.
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In groove I never use it just to make beat more steady. It's always for sound color or some counterrhythm. Often I check out in mirror that my left foot isn't even rocking silently while I practice with metronome.
Other thing is riding with left foot. It's actually very advanced skill that even guys with huge double bass experience struggle. On crazy example is Anders Meinhardt who is able to play Es and As of 16th notes with his left foot and make it groove.

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My "default mode" is to pump quarter notes, so in that sense it's mostly a timekeeper. However, when playing a tom groove (ie no other cymbals are being played), it also adds a nice texture to the groove, as well as a steady pulse.

When playing 6/8 grooves, I find that I still naturally tend to pump quarter notes, so if I play a standard 6/8 groove (kick on 1, snare on 4, eight note ride pattern), the hihat pumps on 1, 3 and 5, giving the groove a slightly offbeat feel. It's not something I do intentionally; my left foot sort of defaults to that rhythm, but I think it works well in that kind of groove :-)

However, I do have drum parts when the hihat plays on the upbeats, or it pumps eight notes along with the ride hand. If I attempt anything much more complicated than that, I quickly lose my groove. My left foot is pretty retarded, really ;-)
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Old 04-06-2010, 05:12 PM
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man this sounds amazing
I agree.

The actual pattern is an easy one to figure but that speed is awesome. Ive actually been working on my hand foot singles (all four possibilities) so one day...ONE DAY!!!!

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i use my hi hat, when not using it for rhythm use it to add a little spice... for EX: if i am doin a tom roll and instead of hitting the cymbal or if i just wanna add a little flare i will open the hi- hat slightly and hit it then go back to what i was doin... and i would throw that in and around.. or in the beginning of a song if there is nothing but silence.. i'll just do a little roll or something of that nature on the hi hat :) all for fun and flare :)
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Old 04-06-2010, 06:33 PM
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Definitely to add texture to the groove, and it helps me keep better time for sure. Just getting into using splashes in fill and groove contexts.
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Old 04-06-2010, 07:08 PM
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I use it for both timekeeping and texture purposes... I have gotten into the habit of alternating between splash and "chick" to add color during particularly loud parts of songs... and I've really gotten into heel / toe work on the hats and bass drum lately.
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I am curious, why do you use the hi hat when you are not playing on it?.......to keep time, and it's easy to play like that....or do you do it for texture and what not?

I personally do it because it adds texture, i don't do it because it helps me, it can become a hinderance in some situations
I think the question should be " why don't you use your hi hat "

In most of todays music it's just someone constantly bashing a crash cymbal. It's like the ride cymbal and hi hats don't exist. It's all crash crash crash crash crash !!!!!
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all rehearsals are recorded in my new project and it's great for learning parts and for hearing what works and what doesn't.

the other day i was keeping 8th's on hh with my foot while doing a syncopated ostinato on the ride (shoulder and bell). the playback revealed how nice and appropriate it was the for that section of the tune - i didn't see it as being so "cool" at the time but it worked out very, very well by keeping the momentum without actually speeding up.

i also kept time on a song that really sounded cluttered on playback and i learned a lot. keeping time is important and even helps with balance but using multiple sound sources is just that - you're adding more sound that has to be controlled.

anyway, i use my hat a lot, even for fills - like open in unison with toms - thanks Gavin!

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Old 04-06-2010, 11:17 PM
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Still think its the coolest instrument in the drumset!
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Because its there. I could not begin to explain the countless applications for the HI HAT.
It does so much for dynamics, intertwining between bass and snare. as far as jazz goes there is so much you can do against the 2 & 4. you can use it to keep time, play patterns between the ride and the hi hat. I think the most important use of the hi hat is DISCO!!
(Just kidding ) stick a tambourine on top of your hats then you get that Bonham thong going. Hi Hats can ad a lot of color to your playing. you want to develop your week foot
so you can play your machine gun double bass. play eights with your foot on the hats and quarters on the ride while playing a groove. do that for five or ten minutes your weak foot will be on fire.
Listen to 50 ways to leave your lover. Its one of Steve Gadds most popular grooves, thats one example how to use hi hats with taste and flavor
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My left foot threatened to leave if I didn't use it. It was jealous of my right foot! Thats why I use my hat pedal when Im on the ride pie.
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Mine gives me that good retro (60's...1860s) look. Think Abe Lincoln.
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:36 AM
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me of the stuff jojo can do are just amazing....

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at 5:00 the hi hat is crazy, i find it almost impossible to do this cleanly
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Lately I've been given the exercise to play 4 on the floor and the closed the hats on 2 and 4. Then solo over that to add texture. `I can do it much easier closing the hats on all beats or not at all. I tend to get spun around when trying new things which I suppose is what my teacher is trying to correct.

Personally though it's my favorite thing to play. I love all the sounds you can make with it. Especially the *psh* *psh*

I like to hit it open before I crash 1. Usually the & or UH of 4.
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I am curious, why do you use the hi hat when you are not playing on it?.......to keep time, and it's easy to play like that....or do you do it for texture and what not?

I personally do it because it adds texture, i don't do it because it helps me, it can become a hinderance in some situations
When I'm on ride, the pulse contributes to the music in a subtle way. It keeps me anchored and I can come back to it with either hand for accents, ssssips or barks. When I am playing the hihat, pumping it heel-up adds texture to ride patterns. I usually play 8th notes on the hats. I can stick a jingle ring on the pull rod to add a tambourine sound.

I have been getting into playing the clave on the left foot with foot percussion. That's a whole other deal.

This is a good question to ask.10-year-old kids picking up drums for the first time want to dive into double pedals and I think the left foot is largely neglected these days. It's just as important as any other limb, just not as easy to detect.
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This is a good question to ask.10-year-old kids picking up drums for the first time want to dive into double pedals and I think the left foot is largely neglected these days. It's just as important as any other limb, just not as easy to detect.
This came up in a recent thread about how soon is too soon to start a new drummer on a double pedal. IMO, there really isn't a "too soon" because, as you say, the sooner that left foot starts getting worked out, the more receptive and capable it will be for hi-hat or clave work.
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me of the stuff jojo can do are just amazing....

at 5:00 the hi hat is crazy, i find it almost impossible to do this cleanly
Thanks, I saw another clip of him using that pattern but I couldn't find it again after that.
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The hi-hat, primarily, is for time keeping. 90 percent of the time, personally, I am keeping quarters or 2 & 4 when I am playing anything.
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I think confining the hi hat primarily for time keeping is not realizing it's full potential. Although I'm a major proponent for using it for that, I do like guys who always have the hats going, there's just so much other stuff you can do with it, little foot splash accents, build ups (using the foot and varying the "chicks" from tight to sloppy), foot ghosts...they are just so darn versatile. And they don't "overpower" the other instruments like the toms do.
Sometimes I "ride" using 8th note foot chicks and use my main riding hand to do splashes, bell accents, sometimes nothing at all, or whatever I feel like. Use them hi hats up.
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The hi-hat, primarily, is for time keeping. 90 percent of the time, personally, I am keeping quarters or 2 & 4 when I am playing anything.
really? i literally never use my hi hat for time keeping purposes. i use it to add texture under a fill or something (if it fits) or for offbeat open hi hat accents (like a sort of splash), but never for time keeping (unless it is some kind of function gig i guess).
i mean that isn't to say i can't, i just don't really feel like it sounds good for what i play. imo it gets too mudd(ied)led up with 4 voices at once. maybe i should try it more..
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This came up in a recent thread about how soon is too soon to start a new drummer on a double pedal. IMO, there really isn't a "too soon" because, as you say, the sooner that left foot starts getting worked out, the more receptive and capable it will be for hi-hat or clave work.
My own feeling, which may be overly traditional, is that the left foot should be learned as a timekeeping function and also to control the hihat for various kinds of playing the drummer may do on the hihat. After the basics of the hihat and timekeeping have been ingrained really well - likely a couple of years for most students - a player should include things like left foot percussion, or double pedals.

Double pedal technique and double pedal types are about the single most-discussed thing on this whole board, yet have very, very limited applications in most genres. People need to get the basics under their belt with a hihat before doing double pedals or foot percussion.
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