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Old 01-20-2015, 06:56 PM
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I'm going to look at these tonight, I'm a new drummer looking for my first acoustic kit, and wanted something smaller.

I would be pleased if those of you with more experience would comment on both the condition of these drums and cymbals and any knowledge of this model in particular.

It seems from my initial research that these are entry level drums with ok hardware and are no longer manufactured. It also appears that they came with both a 22 or 18 inch bass. Not sure what these are.

First two pics are the used set and the last is a pic from Yamaha







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Old 01-20-2015, 07:08 PM
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Unless its REEEEAALLY cheap I'd save my loonies and look for something better. If you're partial to Yamaha, look at a Stage Custom. They are great drums for the money and even better for the money if you get them used.
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Old 01-20-2015, 07:32 PM
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That's a starter kit. They retail for $350 US. Used, I'd offer $150-$200. They're "6-ply Philippine mahogany", which probably means Luan. They're not completely horrible (one of the better entry level kits) and would probably do well enough when paired with quality cymbals and a good snare.

If you do purchase them, try not to pay more than you can sell them for ($150-$200ish), as you will likely do so after a year.

Stuff you can expect to buy if you purchase that kit:
Quality used hats, crash, ride ($200 if you're thrifty)
Two extra boom cymbal stands ($70)
Heads ($75)
A drummer to help set it up and tune it (6 pack of Molson)

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Old 01-20-2015, 07:33 PM
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Here's a vote to skip the Rydeens. You can get better quality drums for the same dollars. Look for drums that specify all maple or all birch. You will automatically do better with these kits. Mapex and PDP make some nice maple and birch drums for not a lot of dollars. Gretsch is what jazz players go for though. You might want to look into used Renowns, or possibly Catalina Clubs. Renown is the nicer offering IMO.

Stay thin shell for jazz. Pearls 7.5 mm shells are too much, JMO. I'd recommend 5 or 6 mm shells for jazz, the thinner the better.
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Old 01-20-2015, 10:12 PM
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I'm going to look at these tonight, I'm a new drummer looking for my first acoustic kit, and wanted something smaller...
That looks like a 22" bass drum to me.
Can't really tell what the cymbals are, but almost for sure they're entry level ones that you'd want to replace.
How much is the asking price?
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Old 01-20-2015, 10:33 PM
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As a beginner kit, the Rydeen was one of the better sounding kits, at that price range. And that Yamaha hardware is good, solid stuff (if lightweight hardware is what you desire).
Is jazz your style of music? With coated heads, these will certainly get you started. I'll assume you're on a tight budget.
Just do a Google search, and you'll be able to find a lot of reviews on these drums.
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Old 01-20-2015, 10:54 PM
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Default Re: Yamaha Rydeen Jazz Kit potential purchase

Thanks for all the quick replies.

The ask is $300 or best offer, keep in mind here in Canada most things are more expensive.

I've been taking lessons for a month and renting an e kit.
I want to learn to play on an acoustic set of drums and return the rental.

The reason I was looking at Jazz drums was because I wanted less volume for when I jam in my basement with my Folkie friends who I've converted to electric.

So I think I may keep looking.
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Old 01-20-2015, 11:09 PM
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Smaller drums aren't really a lot quieter like you'd think.
To reduce volume, you have to adjust your playing, or use brushes or rods or something.

That's not really too bad of a price. You'd have everything you need to start playing, drums cymbals, stands and foot pedal.
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I bought a Rydeen kit for my kid.

The one in particular had a 20" bass drum, and there aren't many beginner kits with a 20" bass drum (at least at that moment in time), and given he was 3 at the time, a kit for him needed to be on the smaller side.

It's decent. Works well for a kids set.
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Thanks for all the quick replies.

The ask is $300 or best offer, keep in mind here in Canada most things are more expensive.

I've been taking lessons for a month and renting an e kit.
I want to learn to play on an acoustic set of drums and return the rental.

The reason I was looking at Jazz drums was because I wanted less volume for when I jam in my basement with my Folkie friends who I've converted to electric.

So I think I may keep looking.
There is actually nothing in those pictures to suggest that that is a jazz set. It is just a normal, or maybe fusion sized set. 22 bass drum, 12 and 13 toms and a 16 floor tom. I don't know the sizes.
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Old 01-21-2015, 01:27 AM
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If I were on a tight budget, I'd offer (CN)185-210 for that kit, and then blow the rest of my budget on a nice used 3.5 piece cymbal set. You can even keep the Camber Crash/Ride as a secondary crash. Sell the Camber hats for... Man, I don't even know if those have a dollar value. Do you shoot skeet? PULL!

If you have the money, I agree with everyone else. Try to find something a little more intermediate (Pearl Export, Yamaha Stage Custom), and do the same. It's more important to have nice hats, primary crash, and ride than it is to have nice shells. If you can get the BD and snare sounding right, you're all set.
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I currently own a Rydeen Jazz set and I've owned the set pictured. Those are the standard setup with 10/12/14/22 or 20 and a matching 14 snare. The Rydeen Jazz is 10" tom, 13" floor tom, 18" bass drum and matching 13" snare.

Yes, there are better intermediate kits but you know - put decent heads on those and they sound fine. Despite having multiple high end Yamaha Maple, Birch and Oak kits - I do occasionally gig the Rydeens - and I get compliments on how they sound.

What nobody has mentioned here is that the Yamaha 600 series hardware that is included with this kit is almost worth the asking price alone. Yamaha 600 and 700 series hardware is simply the most practical , last-you-a-lifetime-if-you-don't-abuse-it hardware there is.

I paid $240 $CDN for my Rydeen Jazz kit with all the hardware…(Hi hat stand, snare stand, bd pedal, straight cymbal stand and a mini boom that goes on the bass drum) and it was worth every penny. I will never, ever get rid of them because they are too useful.

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P.S. Oh yeah and the cymbals are indeed utter garbage.
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here you go, you can get this modified Stage Custom ...depends how far you're willing to drive in southern Ontario. Great kit for this price.

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-drum-percussi...ationFlag=true
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also not a bad deal. I think Mars are maple shell believe it or not. Issue might be depending on the year they have very deep 'power' tom sizes - not for everybody. Typical 12 inch toms have 8 or 9 inch deep BTW.

No idea where Watford is. Get on c/list of Kijiji.

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-drum-percussi...ationFlag=true
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Old 01-21-2015, 05:19 AM
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here you go, you can get this modified Stage Custom ...depends how far you're willing to drive in southern Ontario. Great kit for this price.

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-drum-percussi...ationFlag=true

I don't think those are Stage Customs. They have badges that say 'Wells'. And Yamaha doesn't use those round pipe tom holders.
The mounts on the bass drum and tom are wrong. There's also a vertical seam in the pic of the floor tom.
The tom holder that goes into the bass drum is Yamaha, and the lugs look like Yamaha too.
Black painted bass drum hoops and no hardware.

Still - they might sound good.
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Old 01-28-2015, 03:46 AM
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So long story short, here is what I ended up buying.
They fit into my $500 budget complete as in the pic.












What do you think? , definitely not jazz
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Old 01-28-2015, 04:16 AM
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Are those Yamaha Power V series with a Pearl bass head? Someone recently had those listed on CL near me for $100 with no floor tom. I almost went to see them but wasn't sure how they sound. Seems like a good buy with the hardware and cymbals included. Enjoy them.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:15 PM
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yes that's exactly what they are, made in Japan, and complete with original hardware, pedals and snare.

I will replace the throne first, then the cymbals
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Old 01-28-2015, 05:13 PM
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Yamaha Power Vs were good drums.
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