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Old 12-12-2014, 05:15 PM
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Do you leave it on your drums or take it off after every gig and then re-apply it at the next gig/set up? Seems like when you put in drum bags, it might rub off

I know there is a great debate on the use of mufflers, tape and Moongel, I use it only on certain sessions but was curious what the die hard users of Moongel do
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Old 12-12-2014, 05:45 PM
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I used Moongel for a while... but not anymore!
When I left it (Moongel) on my drum heads, did not like that remaining sticky film of resin at all... Nowadays, I much prefer the drum sound to ring true and natural on my kit.
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Old 12-12-2014, 05:47 PM
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Moongel on drums or cymbals as the situation dictates. Always take it off.
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Old 12-12-2014, 05:51 PM
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I don't muffle most of my snares but a couple of them need just a little bit of dampening. When I use a Moongel, or more realistically a window cling, I just leave it on the snare and bag the whole thing up. It stays on there fine. If they start to lose their sticky, just rinse them in water and let dry.
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:00 PM
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... If they start to lose their sticky, just rinse them in water and let dry.
Ooh, nice tip. Thanks!
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:17 PM
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Use one on my 22" ride to kill some of the wash and give it a bit more ping. Works fine.
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:19 PM
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I don't muffle most of my snares but a couple of them need just a little bit of dampening. When I use a Moongel, or more realistically a window cling, I just leave it on the snare and bag the whole thing up. It stays on there fine. If they start to lose their sticky, just rinse them in water and let dry.
+1, Great Tip.

I need it for some of my metal snare drums
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Old 12-12-2014, 06:20 PM
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Use one on my 22" ride to kill some of the wash and give it a bit more ping. Works fine.
Wow interesting idea! Do you stick it underneath or on top?

That'd a great idea for a low volume gig, to dampen the cymbals a touch
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Old 12-12-2014, 09:15 PM
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Wow interesting idea! Do you stick it underneath or on top?

That'd a great idea for a low volume gig, to dampen the cymbals a touch
On the top, and I leave it on. Tried it on the bottom but It eventually falls off.
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Old 12-13-2014, 12:52 AM
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I do once and a while. I try to run natural as often as possible.
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Old 12-13-2014, 12:56 AM
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I use them on the batter heads and leave them on. I do however cut them down to get the dampening I like, usually just reducing the initial "ping" sound. I''ve used as little as a quarter inch square.
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I keep one on the edge on my snare, so it just gives me a tiny bit of dampening. It got rid of a few unwanted overtones and lets the woodiness take over. That moongel never comes off.
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Old 12-13-2014, 02:10 AM
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One on the floor tom, a real small room I may put one on the snare and rack tom too.
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Old 12-13-2014, 04:39 AM
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I always forget to pick some up when I'm at the store.
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Old 12-13-2014, 05:13 AM
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Wow interesting idea! Do you stick it underneath or on top?

That'd a great idea for a low volume gig, to dampen the cymbals a touch
You can adjust the amount of damping by how far outward you put it. Right behind the bell just tames things a bit for quiet gigs. Halfway out drys it up quite a bit. Never put it all the way out to the edge, that would be really dead and dry.

May or may not use it on a snare depending on the drum and situation. Rarely on toms unless it's a really quiet gig or some soundman really really insists.

Always on hand though, just in case.
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Old 12-13-2014, 06:42 AM
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I use pieces of the dollar store sticky hands. Same stuff, more material for less money. Bermuda clued me in to this.
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Old 12-13-2014, 06:54 AM
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I try not to use em, but our rehearsal space is level 11 reverb and hard parallel walls. As much as I'd like to let my toms sing freely, it just doesnt work in that room.
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Old 12-14-2014, 01:50 PM
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I use Moongel when the situation dictates and always remove it before packing up.

Great tip on "fixing" it when it stops being sticky. Thanks!

As for whether or not it's a good idea, dampening vs. not dampening is an argument that's been done to death. There's no "right" answer, as the matter is purely subjective. My take is that dampening - whether it's gel, tape, or whatever - is just another tool in our sonic toolbox. It's self-defeating to deny oneself the use of any particular tool.
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Old 12-14-2014, 04:17 PM
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I've always been meaning to try some. This post just inspired me to pick some up. Thanks
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Old 12-14-2014, 04:30 PM
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As for whether or not it's a good idea, dampening vs. not dampening is an argument that's been done to death. There's no "right" answer, as the matter is purely subjective. My take is that dampening - whether it's gel, tape, or whatever - is just another tool in our sonic toolbox. It's self-defeating to deny oneself the use of any particular tool.
Well said. I usually play loud music in a pretty big venue, so I tend to let my drums ring as much as they can. For quieter passages, I might use a moongel at the very edge of a snare drum just to dampen it a tiny bit and make it sound a little more focused. The great thing about them is that they're pretty versatile and re-usable. They're one of those things that are great to have just in case you might need them, even if you don't need them right away. I saw Mike Mangini cut them in halves for a clinic once, and he applied them to different drums and even some cymbals.
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Old 12-14-2014, 05:22 PM
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I don't like it.

It doesn't last long before it gets gross and scummy and it's more expensive than a small roll of gaffer's tape that will last much longer and has more uses.
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Old 12-14-2014, 05:33 PM
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i use them to dampen my snare drums. i cut them in half though because a full pieces dampens the drum to much. sometimes ill use 1/3 of the moongel
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Old 12-14-2014, 06:26 PM
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just another tool in our sonic toolbox. It's self-defeating to deny oneself the use of any particular tool.
Agreed. I think the assumption is always that people use them to overcome an inability to tune properly. Which is, obviously, not true.
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Old 12-14-2014, 09:42 PM
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I admit I've never used it. If I need it on the drums, I still use gaf tape, and I never use muffling on my cymbals. I really like the sound of a wide-open kit, though, so I shy away from any kind of muffling. I promised myself the next time I do some recording, I'm taking the bottom heads off and sticking mics up into the toms ;)
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Old 12-14-2014, 11:12 PM
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I have used all kinds of things in the past to dampen my drums and I have never been happy with any of the common methods such as Moongel or Drumgum.
Today, I can buy all sorts of heads that have built in dampening systems and I have tried many of them. I always come back to wide open heads that are either clear or coated, single or double ply. I prefer to tune and EQ the unwanted tones out.
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Old 12-15-2014, 02:35 AM
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I am not anti-moongel but the one time I did buy it,they were totally melted together. I use as little muffling as I can get away with. I just use gaff tape. Every band should have some on hand.
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Old 12-15-2014, 12:20 PM
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I've used it for a number of years in rooms that need a little damping on the drums, BUT always take it off and store it in the little pot it comes in. Over time (a number of years, it's not quick) they degenerate leaving a fairly horrible sludgy/sticky mess if they'r exposed to air.

Presumably the pot offers a degree of air-tightness and that slows the process down.
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Old 12-15-2014, 12:32 PM
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I use it on my toms to get rid of some of the sustain. My toms aren't dead by any stretch, but I don't need them ringing out for hours either. Get that attack, hear the nice tone, and then get them out of the way.

I leave them on when travelling, but I'll reapply, remove, add or move them as needed when I set up in a new environment.
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Old 12-16-2014, 05:44 PM
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Agreed. I think the assumption is always that people use them to overcome an inability to tune properly. Which is, obviously, not true.
YES, this! I agree very much
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Old 12-16-2014, 09:19 PM
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Discussions about using muffling on drummer forums are funny. It seems like a point of pride to say you use no muffling and an unported bass drum, but in real life, it seems like every drummer has moongels on all the drums and they stuff a pillow in the bass drum.

I use moongels when it makes sense in a close-mic situation. I prefer a more open sound, but sometimes they are an easy fix for a sound wo/man who doesn't know what to do with a drum that doesn't sound like a cardboard box.
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Old 12-16-2014, 11:39 PM
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I like to use them sparingly in certain live situations. In the studio I generally let the engineer do what they must, but if the gaff tape comes out I intercede and hand him my gels.

I also found that washing them in water with a small amount of dish soap helps get rid of that greasy feeling.
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Discussions about using muffling on drummer forums are funny. It seems like a point of pride to say you use no muffling and an unported bass drum, but in real life, it seems like every drummer has moongels on all the drums and they stuff a pillow in the bass drum.
I have noticed that. I remember one thread where a few members got into a heated discussion on what constitutes a "wide open" bass drum. I think it came from everyone wanting to say that then don't muffle their bass drums, almost like some kind of bass drum machismo.

I like a little muffling, just don't use Moongel because I'm too cheap. Go to the dollar store and get yourself some of those stick window clings and cut to size. Same stuff and works just as fine.
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I like a little muffling, just don't use Moongel because I'm too cheap. Go to the dollar store and get yourself some of those stick window clings and cut to size. Same stuff and works just as fine.
I had a lime green sticky octopus that I used for over ring control on my snare, it was awesome.
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Old 12-17-2014, 12:27 AM
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Who uses moongel? Tone-hating wanna be drummers who can't handle the sound of a real drum.






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I use pieces of the dollar store sticky hands. Same stuff, more material for less money. Bermuda clued me in to this.
That's similar to what I use. I bought a pack of Moongels but they're a rip-off. Like Red Menace also said, go to the dollar store and buy those decorative window gels, they're usually holiday-themed like Halloween, Christmas, Easter...for a couple bucks you'll have a bunch of gels in various sizes & shapes.

I use them (as mentioned earlier) at specific places on my El Sonido and ReZo Ride cymbals, it improves stick definition by reducing the wash when played at that part of the cymbal's radius. I use little yellow star-shaped gels on my 14" and 16" toms, they're about the diameter of a nickel.

I would also suggest gels look a heckuva lot better, and are much easier to reposition or remove, than loops of duct tape or napkins and other foreign materials taped onto the drum heads...that just looks ghetto to me.
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Old 12-17-2014, 01:27 AM
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I always forget to pick some up when I'm at the store.
I always lose my gels... I use a DrumClip on my snare now, easy to deal with and can stay on forever. I'll use tape on the toms whenever I need it (I rarely do though).
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Old 12-17-2014, 01:58 AM
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Playing for myself... moongel, sticky hands, etc...

Playing out... nothing.

Moongel makes the drums sound very nice for the drummer but out in the audience drums sound much better without the dampers.
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Old 12-17-2014, 11:44 AM
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Moongel is handy. I used it for close miked situations.

Clean with soap and water, really gets rid of the dirt they pick up (stick sawdust, general fluff).

You can also use your girlfriend's heel cushions (Scholl Party Feet for example). Girls use them for comfort whilst wearing high heels. They're sticky on one side and the same consistency as Moongel. I cut one into a slim crescent shape and placed it on the outer rim of my snare skin. It dampens the snare permanently and just the right amount. I never have to remove it and the glue is strong enough to stay there without getting all filthy like Moongel would. Plus it's transparent so it's practically invisible.
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Old 12-18-2014, 08:27 PM
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Lot's of Pros use it or other damping techniques as just another tool in the box to dial in the sound they're after. Used sparingly, I find it can help focus the sound a bit. Cut into small strips.. wash them if they lose stickiness.. and don't lose them - very easy to do! Some people collect them after each show and put them in the container for next time. Myself.. I'm lazy and leave it on.. but the do go missing from time to time.. usually stuck to a drum bag and then fall into a black hole somewhere.. Never had an issue with 'sticky resin' left behind. In fact I find it a clean solution.. compared to Duct tape which can mark up your heads with sticky crud..
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Playing for myself... moongel, sticky hands, etc...

Playing out... nothing.

Moongel makes the drums sound very nice for the drummer but out in the audience drums sound much better without the dampers.
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