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Old 04-01-2014, 10:14 AM
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I play 13/16/18/18 w/ 22 kick. Love my 13, I use my 12 as a holder for beer and cigs when I practice. Ringo 24/13/16, classic.

I would prefer to have a 24 kick, 13 mounted tom, a 14 and a 16 on a stand an 18 floor tom and another 16 back on my left. Guess how many companies make that config.

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I play 13/16/18/18 w/ 22 kick. Love my 13, I use my 12 as a holder for beer and cigs when I practice. Ringo 24/13/16, classic.

I would prefer to have a 24 kick, 13 mounted tom, a 14 and a 16 on a stand an 18 floor tom and another 16 back on my left. Guess how many companies make that config.

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Old 04-01-2014, 04:38 PM
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I don't think they'll ever be completely obsolete, but I certainly have little to no use for them. Maybe I've just had bad luck, but every 13' tom I've had has been finicky, hard to tune, and just really never sounded all that good.

If you get a good one I'm sure it would be nice in a big 4 piece kit as some have already pointed out. 13', 16', 24', for example. But if you're playing a 5 piece an inch just never seems enough difference in size. I'd keep stick to the even numbers. 10', 12', 14'.12', 14', 16', etc.
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Old 04-01-2014, 05:07 PM
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I don't currently own a 13". I don't dislike them but I am not fond of the ol' 12/13/16. I have had a few of those. 12/14/16 always sounded better to me.

14" racks seem harder to come by than 13"s.
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I got rid of my 12". I could never get the tuning right for my taste, not that it is inherent at all in that size drum but I bought a 13" and it works better for me with the 16", I use a 10" and 14" for small room gigs (when I get them) and the 10" sounds great in those situations.
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I play 1977 vintage Gretsch USA.
One-up, two down : 13, 15 & 18 with the traditional 14 X 24 bass drum.
I've owned them this August for 37 years.
For 37 years, drum-makers have tried to make drums that sound better.
Those drum-makers have made little progress toward that objective.
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I play 1977 vintage Gretsch USA.
One-up, two down : 13, 15 & 18 with the traditional 14 X 24 bass drum.
I've owned them this August for 37 years.
For 37 years, drum-makers have tried to make drums that sound better.
Those drum-makers have made little progress toward that objective.
This sounds like a Johnny Walker commercial.
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Old 04-02-2014, 03:11 AM
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Add my voice to the chorus of 13/16/22 enthusiasts. For small group acoustic music like bebop, I play 12/14/18. Those combos work so well for me that I pretty much stick with them.

I would reconsider these defaults for Gurus, since Andy has mentioned that 10" toms and 13" snares work really well for jazz tunings. Playing drums that much smaller might take some adjustment for me. Especially sweeping brushes on a smaller snare.
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Old 04-02-2014, 04:11 AM
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I play 1977 vintage Gretsch USA.
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I've owned them this August for 37 years.
For 37 years, drum-makers have tried to make drums that sound better.
Those drum-makers have made little progress toward that objective.
I love this sentiment.
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Old 04-02-2014, 02:51 PM
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This sounds like a Johnny Walker commercial.
You are way off -- any single-malt from Islay is better than Johnny Walker.
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You are way off -- any single-malt from Islay is better than Johnny Walker.
Johnnie Walker is probably my favorite affordable, blended scotch. But the Islay malts are sublime. Not for everyone, but certainly for me.
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Old 04-02-2014, 06:47 PM
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10, 12, 14, 16 gives me a better, more even spread. Personally, I love a well-tuned 10" tom, and have never come across a 13" that agrees with my ears. I always find them difficult to tune, too, for some reason.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:23 PM
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13" toms are not my thing but I also don't think they are going anywhere either. They have their place. I prefer to have at least 2" intervals.

On the other hand, Peart played a 12/13/15/18 setup for a long time that actually makes logical sense to me as well.
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I play 13/16/18/18 w/ 22 kick. Love my 13, I use my 12 as a holder for beer and cigs when I practice. Ringo 24/13/16, classic.

I would prefer to have a 24 kick, 13 mounted tom, a 14 and a 16 on a stand an 18 floor tom and another 16 back on my left. Guess how many companies make that config.

Calling DW, don't think so!
Ringo never played a 24. First 12/16/20 then 12/14/20 then 13/16/22 then 12/13/16/22.
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:13 AM
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My new favourite config is 10/13/16/22. That extra inch really makes a difference... :<o
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My new favourite config is 10/13/16/22. That extra inch really makes a difference... :<o
That seems nice, I'd prefer 10"+13" rack toms over 12"+13", and maybe even over 10"+12", at least for playing at home. I tune the floor toms quite at home because it sounds better from the driver seat, and a 13" would allow for an even interval between the lowest rack tom and the floor toms.
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I'm a big fan of even intervals as it seems to make tuning much easier for me. If I want 3 toms, I go 10/13/16 and 10/12/14/16 when I need 4. My theory has always been to buy all the available add on tom sizes when you get a kit if possible. Everything will be discontinued and finding one later on is difficult.
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Old 04-03-2014, 04:14 AM
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With regard to rack tom sizes, I'm old school 12"&13" on top. I find it very frustrating that practically all modern off the shelf kits are 10"&12" nowadays! Are 13" toms gonna become collectors rarities?! I love the way 12"&13" configuration look, cos they look the same size....almost...and I like this uniformity! OCD anyone? Also, I think a better tone is got from these sizes....I find 10" toms too high and should only live up above the hihat in rototom land! 13"ers are a great mid range tom! People claim they can get a good depth out of a 10" but I think not! I'm 12"&13" all the way and cos you just can't get that no more, I've had to go get a custom kit built.....which is Very Exciting! Any thoughts folks? Are we gonna end up with 6"&8" as the main rack toms in the future?
I know just what you mean. I had to resort to secondhand to find a classic sized kit. I played 10/12/16/22 for ages but the my main band plays a different style of music and I wanted a 12" as first tom. Finally I found these 80's RA series Yamaha's. They are doing a great job and I love the satisfying feel of the larger sizes. As to intervals - it's not an issue. The sound of a good 12" to 13" drop is not the same as a 10 to 12. I don't crave evenly spaced intervals - it's the sound and feel of the drum kit as a whole that matters to me. $00.02 PS: 22" x 14" kick - light, small and plenty of boom too.
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Old 04-03-2014, 05:10 AM
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Ringo never played a 24. First 12/16/20 then 12/14/20 then 13/16/22 then 12/13/16/22.
So was the 12/16/20 pre-Ludwig?
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I have 13" toms on my Gretsch and Rogers kits. I dig them. I also dig the more classic bass drum depth of 14". I recently got back behind my main kit with an 18" deep kick and yeah I feel the difference playing it. Also as others have noted the classic depth bass drums are easier to haul around. Almost every gig I play the bass drum is miced up so I really doubt anyone on the audience would tell the difference.
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In a set up like 10, 13, 16, they'd be fine but I hate when kits are 10, 12, 13, with 14 and 16 floors. As big and clunky as 13's are for rack toms, I'd rather just have a slightly shallow 14" rack tom.
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I'm a big fan of even intervals as it seems to make tuning much easier for me. If I want 3 toms, I go 10/13/16 and 10/12/14/16 when I need 4. My theory has always been to buy all the available add on tom sizes when you get a kit if possible. Everything will be discontinued and finding one later on is difficult.
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Ringo never played a 24. First 12/16/20 then 12/14/20 then 13/16/22 then 12/13/16/22.
My bad, I really thought he used a 24. At least I did not say he used a 26 or 28!
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My bad, I really thought he used a 24. At least I did not say he used a 26 or 28!
Ringo Starr actually invented the 40" bass drum for set use. It was later retrofitted to a stand, and lo, the first orchestral bass drum was born! He was also a big fan of 4" and 6" toms, I hear.
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My first post! Hello drummerworld drummers!

Have been using a DW13 x 10, 16 x 16 and 22 x 18.
I've found it only really sounds good to my ears if it's tuned pretty low (possibly due to the depth) and it's not especially versatile insofar as I can only take it out for rock gigs. Obsolete?? Definitely not, though I suspect a 12 would be more versatile or possibly justa 13 with a shallower depth?
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Old 04-04-2014, 07:29 PM
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obsolete.

too small.

15" rack and 20" floor is where it's at.

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