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Old 05-07-2013, 10:44 AM
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Apologies if this is a bit weird, I can't help the way I am. (I almost want to begin "Hi, my name is Magenta and I'm a complete nutter.")

Ever since I started learning to play, I've struggled to find music that I actually like. Last Friday, in my lesson, I had a Damascene moment when I heard "Heart of the Sunrise" (Yes), and since then ... Well, my whole life has changed. I've been absolutely DYING to tell somebody because I'll burst if I don't.

We'd established a while ago that I had inclinations in this direction, but now I really feel as if I've come home. It's the most mind-blowing, exciting, daunting, emotional sensation.

Phew. I'm glad I got that off my chest, even if it does make me a fruitcake!
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Now is a great moment to have a cup of tea and some Animal cookies ;-)

Compare Yes to what is around on the radio today... quite some drop in musical substance.
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Apologies if this is a bit weird, I can't help the way I am. (I almost want to begin "Hi, my name is Magenta and I'm a complete nutter.")

Ever since I started learning to play, I've struggled to find music that I actually like. Last Friday, in my lesson, I had a Damascene moment when I heard "Heart of the Sunrise" (Yes), and since then ... Well, my whole life has changed. I've been absolutely DYING to tell somebody because I'll burst if I don't.

We'd established a while ago that I had inclinations in this direction, but now I really feel as if I've come home. It's the most mind-blowing, exciting, daunting, emotional sensation.

Phew. I'm glad I got that off my chest, even if it does make me a fruitcake!
It's not even their best...doesn't even come close.
So...enjoy the ride. They are the best prog rock band ever, by an absolute country mile, IMHO.
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:03 AM
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Now is a great moment to have a cup of tea and some Animal cookies ;-)

Compare Yes to what is around on the radio today... quite some drop in musical substance.
Haha, sadly there aren't any left, no idea how that happened.

Couldn't agree more.

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It's not even their best...doesn't even come close.
So...enjoy the ride. They are the best prog rock band ever, by an absolute country mile, IMHO.
IT GETS BETTER THAN THAT?? Oh God, how shall I bear it?
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Magenta, I remember discovering the joys of powerful epic prog :) Here are a few tracks that have scratched that itch for me in the past ...

King Crimson - Starless (same drummer as on Heart of the Sunrise)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C8v99kV1jY

King Crimson - Dinosaur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KKdl8dJ_4E

Genesis - Looking for Someone (with Peter Gabriel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOqDpNJgqgI

Tool - Reflection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja3LGFY1i0o

Yes - Siberian Khatru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0HnIr6jYWU

Frank Zappa - Son of Orange County & More Trouble Every Day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Tic-HjKD0

Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUGBJA-eYEY

Hopefully you'll enjoy some of these ...
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Old 05-07-2013, 01:51 PM
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Oh thank you! I have a crappy couple of days ahead of me, but those will definitely make things more bearable 8-)
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Phew. I'm glad I got that off my chest, even if it does make me a fruitcake!

You are a fruit-filled nutcase, this is evident. It gets better and bigger too. When you're older, there are, like, "epochs" in your life, where you'll have epiphanies of how incredible some music is, either because you hadn't encountered it, or you just somehow woke up to it...

I know the cockroach lady gave you a bunch of homework, which you'll be tested on(love Tool and the Siberian thingie), but when you get time-one of my multiple fruitcake moments, as some DWers might recall, was when Simon Phillips played on Pete Townshend's, "Give Blood"...it was like, "Thank You God".
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I had no idea a mid-life crisis could be this much fun! God, but I feel I've wasted the past couple of decades ...
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So pleased you've found something to latch on to. You need to be inspired to pull you (at least temporarily) away from classic sensibilities. As I've mentioned before, you need to "get it" to immerse yourself into the dynamics & other expressive tools necessary to turn an exercise into a performance.

You could have found some easier stuff though, Yes stuff isn't exactly simple :) Master some of that though, & you'll have your tool box brimming with choice options!
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King Crimson - Starless (same drummer as on Heart of the Sunrise)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C8v99kV1jY
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You mean Bill Whatshisname, right? hehehe

A fave of mine is La Villa Strangiato
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So pleased you've found something to latch on to. You need to be inspired to pull you (at least temporarily) away from classic sensibilities. As I've mentioned before, you need to "get it" to immerse yourself into the dynamics & other expressive tools necessary to turn an exercise into a performance.
That's what I'm hoping will happen.

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You could have found some easier stuff though, Yes stuff isn't exactly simple :) Master some of that though, & you'll have your tool box brimming with choice options!
Yes, I think it's fair to say that Mr Teacher is guaranteed employment for the foreseeable! For me, though, it isn't fun unless it's really really serious - hence why he suggested that song. But if anybody can teach me to play it half-decently, he can.

That Tool track nearly made me cry just now, it's SO beautiful.
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I'll add some of my fave prog:

Sleeping People - People Staying Awake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ89-zHx3Qo

Russian Circles - 309
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtpFOBJA7O8

Irepress - Samus
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Thank you!

Poor Mr Madge has just observed that, after more than 25 years, he doesn't know me at all. How good to know I still have the ability to surprise, after all this time!
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Yay!! The more good prog lovers/musicians that exist, the better the world will be...I believe that to be fact.

Congrats on your discovery, and here's to many more like it!
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It would have been a lot easier if this happened with AC/DC lol. Congratulations Maggie. Can I call you Maggie?
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Congrats on being a fellow prog-weirdo!

Yes certainly has alot of records to check out. I also recommend Genesis (Selling England by the Pound is a good place to start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-jS4e3zacI), Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, King Krimson, Hawkwind etc...etc...

I think there are some good new prog bands too like Mars Volta, Muse and Radiohead (although they might be offended at being called "prog").
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Yes certainly has alot of records to check out. I also recommend Genesis (Selling England by the Pound is a good place to start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-jS4e3zacI), ....
True. And for Genesis (something with some aggression like "Heart of the Sunrise") I'd also add "Back in N.Y.C." from The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fllf-WMB0hY

Other choice songs:
the "Musical Box" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0G1LlKn3_w
"Watcher of the Skies" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57HicYcY4Ow
and "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pteh5hdZlg

Too many to choose from but the Lamb album was my Damascene moment (had to look that up!) for prog rock.
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I never got over the first time I heard King Crimson's 'Red'. Even now, when I can play it on the guitar and drums (bass it the hardest - getting there) I still can't get over it.

I'm not a big fan of Yes but I can see the appeal. I used to like them a lot more but I always felt like they took themselves too seriously. King Crimson took themselves even more seriously but the raw aggression of some of the Crimson material is just wonderful. To any metal fans out there, I still think that 'Red' is one of the heaviest and most angular compositions ever written. It's wonderfully chaotic.
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I know the cockroach lady gave you a bunch of homework, which you'll be tested on(love Tool and the Siberian thingie), but when you get time-one of my multiple fruitcake moments, as some DWers might recall, was when Simon Phillips played on Pete Townshend's, "Give Blood"...it was like, "Thank You God".[/quote]

I remember not knowing who the drummer was on " Give Blood" for the longest time. I heard it on the radio and was blown away. It was in my car, and my other friends who were listening, too didn't know why I was so amazed. I couldn't explain it to them. I spent the next few days finding out it was Simon Phillips, and have been a fan ever since.

same thing happened when I heard "Feels so good" by Chuck Mangione. My friends thought I was joking when I said " this drummer is awesome!". It was on a radio station my friend's parents were listening to, and they all thought I was being sarcastic.
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It would have been a lot easier if this happened with AC/DC lol. Congratulations Maggie. Can I call you Maggie?
Well, it's the thrill of the chase, isn't it! The thing is, this stuff makes so much more sense to me than music that is more appropriate to my level of expertise, which I can't play because I simply don't understand it.

Uncle Larry, the conventional moniker is Madge, but you are welcome to call me Maggie :)
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Well, it's the thrill of the chase, isn't it! The thing is, this stuff makes so much more sense to me than music that is more appropriate to my level of expertise, which I can't play because I simply don't understand it.

Uncle Larry, the conventional moniker is Madge, but you are welcome to call me Maggie :)
Sometimes music just speaks to you. It doesn't matter what it is, it can just speak to you. Like I said earlier, I'm a huge King Crimson fan and that music is still (mostly) well out of my technical expertise, with a couple of playing exceptions. It doesn't matter. Whether or not you understand the musical detail or the technical requirements of the music is irrelevant - as long as you enjoy it and it speaks to you. Clearly in the case, it does.

The next step is to make it aspirational. A target.
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Ah, prog! I knew I was going to like you, but I couldn't put my finger on why.
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Too many to choose from but the Lamb album was my Damascene moment (had to look that up!) for prog rock.
Same for me,The Lamb Lies Down on Brioadway is and will always be my favorite prog album. But it took me a while to get there. Selling England was the first Genesis album I really listened to.

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I like that. Plans are bad, but targets are good : they move!

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Ah, prog! I knew I was going to like you, but I couldn't put my finger on why.
That's a jolly nice thing to say. I do rather feel as if I've just joined a family :)
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Apologies if this is a bit weird, I can't help the way I am. (I almost want to begin "Hi, my name is Magenta and I'm a complete nutter.")

Ever since I started learning to play, I've struggled to find music that I actually like. Last Friday, in my lesson, I had a Damascene moment when I heard "Heart of the Sunrise" (Yes), and since then ... Well, my whole life has changed. I've been absolutely DYING to tell somebody because I'll burst if I don't.

We'd established a while ago that I had inclinations in this direction, but now I really feel as if I've come home. It's the most mind-blowing, exciting, daunting, emotional sensation.

Phew. I'm glad I got that off my chest, even if it does make me a fruitcake!
Oh dear. You're probably going to enjoy alot of Roger Dean's artwork as well. Might as well get it all out in the open ;)

Good choice! I'm assuming you're cranking your snare up high and tight with that distinctive 'ping' too?
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Yep, prog rock is my favorite of all pop genres too, it represents the pinnacle
of pop to me. Just like the romantic period represents the pinnacle of classical music.
For some reason I like both of those a lot.
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Welcome to the club!

other things to consider in the genre...

Porcupine Tree..find "Stop Swimming", "Sound of Muzak" and past 5 minutes or so into "Mellotron Scratch".

I would also suggest "Half Light" from Procupine Trees DVD...forget the name...that version adds the brilliance of a hired gun John Wesley - great high register vocal sense.

Steven Wilson - check out "The Raven that refused To Sing(and other tales)"

YES 2003 performance of "And You And I"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fi-sUOM8io‎

Marillion has some nice work as well.

Look up Katatonia...their later works...such as "Lethean"


The thing to remember is to have a look at a wide range of these artists works...some might not encapsulate the beauty you are noticing...where others define it.

If you like them...buy their products so we get more!
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Yes! indeed... Yes, Yes and Yes... Bill Bruford and/or Alan White... :)

Prog Rock and Fusion has always been my big fav in music, alongside classic Rock music, it offers another dimension, some are more Prog than Rock, some are more Rock than Prog and some are more commercial than others, the list is very long, Yes, ELP, King Crimson, Asia, Barclay James Harvest, Rush, Mike Oldfield, Robert Fripp, early Uriah Heep, Dream Theater, Porcupine Trees, 801, Brian Eno...

You've got many links already, so I'll try something a little different than what's been put here...

Some of my favs...

Uriah Heep - Salisbury (1971) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9_W9D40R0Y

Jon Lord - Bach Onto This (1982) Jon's version of Toccata and Fugue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9OFZ9Mh7GA

Yes - Shoot High Aim Low (1987) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-kaZUiO8zg

Mike Oldfield - Music From The Balcony (1991) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO4oWpuyRlk
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I know the feeling, I have been making similar breakthroughs as of late.
It is transcending to say the least.
Follow it and it will lead you down the right path.
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Bill Bruford's contribution to "Cinema Show" on Genesis" "Seconds Out" album is also noteworthy. Even after 30 years of listening to it I'm still blown away..

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Oh dear. You're probably going to enjoy alot of Roger Dean's artwork as well. Might as well get it all out in the open ;)

Good choice! I'm assuming you're cranking your snare up high and tight with that distinctive 'ping' too?
Just checked Roger Dean out. Not absolutely sure about it, tbh, but maybe it'll grow on me.

I'm ashamed to say that I haven't noticed any distinctive 'ping', but maybe that'll come too.

Thanks for all the links, I'm busy at work so I haven't had time to listen to more than a couple, but I'll definitely get on to all of them.
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Just checked Roger Dean out. Not absolutely sure about it, tbh, but maybe it'll grow on me.

I'm ashamed to say that I haven't noticed any distinctive 'ping', but maybe that'll come too.

Thanks for all the links, I'm busy at work so I haven't had time to listen to more than a couple, but I'll definitely get on to all of them.
Well, Roger Dean did most of the Yes album cover artwork - very 70s 'Fantasy' genre stuff - not sure if it holds up today. But listen to "Roundabout" from the same album, and you'll hear Bill Bruford's pingy snare drum, you might like it ;)
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But listen to "Roundabout" from the same album, and you'll hear Bill Bruford's pingy snare drum, you might like it ;)
Will do!

Still working my way through all the other suggestions ...
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Fragile is a KILLER album. I love it.

In a addition to Heart of a Sunrise, and Roundabout.. South Side of the Sky is from that album and its AWESOME. Check it out.
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I love prog rock, which, of course, includes Yes. A good modern prog band is Glass Hammer, especially the last three. Like what you want, and do not let ANYONE stop you. Peace and goodwill.
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Default Re: I have to tell somebody!

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I love prog rock, which, of course, includes Yes. A good modern prog band is Glass Hammer, especially the last three. Like what you want, and do not let ANYONE stop you. Peace and goodwill.
Ooh, more for me to discover! I don't think anybody is trying to stop me from doing anything though - on the contrary. Worst-case scenario is that I never manage to play any of it competently - but I'll have a ball trying. And Mr Madge is bemused but rather pleased: it turns out that he has a Yes album (don't know which one) on vinyl.

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Fragile is a KILLER album. I love it.

In a addition to Heart of a Sunrise, and Roundabout.. South Side of the Sky is from that album and its AWESOME. Check it out.
Doing it as I type.

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But listen to "Roundabout" from the same album, and you'll hear Bill Bruford's pingy snare drum, you might like it ;)
I heard the ping and I liked it :)
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