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Old 01-04-2011, 03:32 PM
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ive read lot of you, drummers, use this snare and love it
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Because it sounds good in any situation.
It's easy to tune, and takes well to any head.

I don't really care for the standard P-85 strainer, but the P-86 is real nice, and a lot better working.
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oh, thats good!
ive read on other threads they are the most recorded snares...
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ive read on other threads they are the most recorded snares...
Yes, they record great and are one of the most versatile snares out there.
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I like the tone of the alloy shell most of all. It is a completely different kind of ring from shells of a different metal. A bit more dry and crisp.

Also, Everything about the drum is built to last, incredibly functional, yet still looks classy. I absolutely love the Imperial lug and I've never had a problem with the P-85 throw off, even though I know they're a frequently mentioned weak point in Ludwig snares.

Supraphonics are also very forgiving, both in tuning and head choice. I've seen some really abused, badly tuned drums with heads that were completely shot still sound good. In fact, I think you have to struggle to make one sound bad.
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Supraphonics are also very forgiving, both in tuning and head choice. I've seen some really abused, badly tuned drums with heads that were completely shot still sound good. In fact, I think you have to struggle to make one sound bad.
I'm in the minority when I say that I don't like most supraphonics. I LOVE my 402, but I've had "I don't know how many" 400s pass through my snare stand, and I've never liked the sound, and there wasn't anything wrong with the drums. I tried different heads, different tunings...everything! Even live and miked up, they still had a sound that I didn't like...

...That is, until I got the current 400 I bought, which is an early 60s model with COB rims and came with a coated Emperor head. This thing sounds GREAT! I'm still trying to figure out ***WHY***. Perhaps it's the aged/worn head, or maybe it's something about the COB hoops. Maybe the reso head is tuned "just right". Maybe there's a defect I don't know about. Whatever the reason, if I would've gotten this Supra first, my opinion about them would probably be vastly different.
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I have a 79 - 14 x 6.5 super sensitive, that's considered a supra, right? The chrome is pitting so it's an aluminum shell. (is Ludalloy all aluminum?) That drum is nothing special, it's really dry. I don't prefer it.
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What's good about them to me, is that I love the sound. It's an extremely versatile snare and imo has some breath to it like a really nice DW snare ( which an older jazz drummer told me the sup was what DW was trying to imitate).

What's good about them to YOU is that They're considered to be "just a plain OLD snare drum" by many these days and consequently, if you look you can get one real cheap at a music store or pawn shop, and see what YOU think about how the drum sounds and feels under your stick.
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Any company that has a bead in the center of the shell is imitating the Ludwig shell.

Rogers had a different bead on theirs (2, top and bottom), Slingerland had the different center crimps/lines, Pearl had theirs with I think 3 lines/crimps, but they now use a center bead, Yamaha has an inverted bead, World Max....

A Super Sensitive is a SS, so it's not a "Supra" but it's the same Ludalloy shell.

"Supra" is the name they gave the strainer. P-85 is the Supra, P-70 is the SS, P-87 (the bigger strainer) is the Classic, P-86 is the Millennium, etc...

I agree on the older 400's. I have a '64 and it's shell sounds better to me than newer ones.
I'd like to get a 60's or early 70's 402, but I'm not shelling out big bucks for one. I've seen them go for over $700 in the last year and that's crazy IMO. But, if someone wants that drum, and that sound, I guess it's worth it. I have other Brass & Bronze shelled snares and such, so I haven't gone crazy(er) yet haha!
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I have a 79 - 14 x 6.5 super sensitive, that's considered a supra, right? The chrome is pitting so it's an aluminum shell. (is Ludalloy all aluminum?) That drum is nothing special, it's really dry. I don't prefer it.
I have a 68--5x14 Super Sensitive that came with an Evans G1 coated batter that made the drum sound dry when I received it. I replaced that head with a coated Ambassador and the drum "rings" a little more. Just enough ring that I don't have to muffle it during a gig. It seems to prefer a lower tuning than my 68 Supra in that size. Just like my Dynasonic.....which sounds best with a medium tuning....along with Diplomat heads top and bottom.

But both the Dyna and Super Sensitive are my gigging drums now.
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:55 PM
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I like the tone of the alloy shell most of all. It is a completely different kind of ring from shells of a different metal. A bit more dry and crisp.
This is exactly why I love mine. I'll add crackly to the list of adjectives.
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There's nothing good about supras by themselves. It's the sound and vibe created by the player that makes it great. I've done alot of crappy playing on my supra..... ;)
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Old 01-05-2011, 09:34 AM
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Any company that has a bead in the center of the shell is imitating the Ludwig shell.

Rogers had a different bead on theirs (2, top and bottom), Slingerland had the different center crimps/lines, Pearl had theirs with I think 3 lines/crimps, but they now use a center bead, Yamaha has an inverted bead, World Max....

A Super Sensitive is a SS, so it's not a "Supra" but it's the same Ludalloy shell.

"Supra" is the name they gave the strainer. P-85 is the Supra, P-70 is the SS, P-87 (the bigger strainer) is the Classic, P-86 is the Millennium, etc...

I agree on the older 400's. I have a '64 and it's shell sounds better to me than newer ones.
I'd like to get a 60's or early 70's 402, but I'm not shelling out big bucks for one. I've seen them go for over $700 in the last year and that's crazy IMO. But, if someone wants that drum, and that sound, I guess it's worth it. I have other Brass & Bronze shelled snares and such, so I haven't gone crazy(er) yet haha!
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It is a classic....here is a stupid (USA) analogy...think of yourself at your favorite beer store...
a supra would be Budwieser (I think they still sell the most, I haven't drank in a long time)
now there are all kinds of fancy expensive beers to choose from some custom made in small batches and lots of other mass produced ones. But Bud is king. We could go with soda, the supra is coke and the black beauty is pepsi..ok...nevermind ...just go to a music shop and play one then you will know....they do sound awesome!!! Oh crap I see your not from the US do they sell Bud and Coke where your at?
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Comparing LUDWIG to Buttwiper beer?

SUPRAPHONICS are the most recorded snare drum by default, they were the most abundant, widely available snare of pro quality back when real/good musicians were doing tons of recordings on acoustic drums.

It turned up on so many recordings mainly b/c there weren't that many choices of snare drums available back then (50's-80's), they were everywhere like flies.
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... they were the most abundant, widely available snare of pro quality back when real/good musicians were doing tons of recordings on acoustic drums.
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you could not make myself laugh more!
could not agree with you
now a days music sucks, all that justin bieber, lady gaga, david guetta, etc... is b*llshit on its purest state

damn i miss such great bands like pink floyd, or composers such as chick corea, dizzy gillespie

the best, IMO, composer now a days is hans zimmer. although there are good, unheard of bands, such as tool and new age jazz geniuses!!!!!
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SUPRAPHONICS are the most recorded snare drum by default, they were the most abundant, widely available snare of pro quality back when real/good musicians were doing tons of recordings on acoustic drums.

It turned up on so many recordings mainly b/c there weren't that many choices of snare drums available back then (50's-80's), they were everywhere like flies.
Exactly. It seems this fact doesn't get mentioned as often as it should. It was just the default snare in those days.

I do love the sound; the Supra is my favorite snare. I own the LM-400. But the fact that is 'the most recorded snare' wasn't one of the reasons I bought one. For me, it just has... that sound...it's super-versatile for everything I play
And, as mentioned before, it's pretty easy to tune and sounds great with just about any head.
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Comparing LUDWIG to Buttwiper beer?

SUPRAPHONICS are the most recorded snare drum by default, they were the most abundant, widely available snare of pro quality back when real/good musicians were doing tons of recordings on acoustic drums.

It turned up on so many recordings mainly b/c there weren't that many choices of snare drums available back then (50's-80's), they were everywhere like flies.
Oh yeah, I can agree with that. Sure.

But it DOES sound good.

Just because it was about the only one that DID sound as good back then (for a long time) doesn't take anything away from it being sought after today to me though.

There's a TON of great, quality snares out today, but a huge amount of people still seem to want to hear the sound a 400 or 402 makes.

People still love the Rogers Dynasonic for the same reasons, they sound awesome.
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I'm in the minority when I say that I don't like most supraphonics. I LOVE my 402, but I've had "I don't know how many" 400s pass through my snare stand, and I've never liked the sound, and there wasn't anything wrong with the drums. I tried different heads, different tunings...everything! Even live and miked up, they still had a sound that I didn't like...

...That is, until I got the current 400 I bought, which is an early 60s model with COB rims and came with a coated Emperor head. This thing sounds GREAT! I'm still trying to figure out ***WHY***. Perhaps it's the aged/worn head, or maybe it's something about the COB hoops. Maybe the reso head is tuned "just right". Maybe there's a defect I don't know about. Whatever the reason, if I would've gotten this Supra first, my opinion about them would probably be vastly different.
you might have a brass 400. They were more common in the early 60's, and I believe they switched to the ludalloy shell in '62. I believe the brass shells were thinner, so the weight difference won't be all that much from the ludalloy ones. And of course, if it doesn't have that typical blister pitting the ludalloys always do, then it's a pretty good bet it's brass.

And, I love my '78 400, just because it has a nice controllable sound. I'm running an Evans power center top dot on mine, and I can get a super fat sound with that head by tightening up the snares quite a bit with a mid range tuning.

And, the 402 is great for louder stuff with it's great tone, and sensitivity. Definitely the most sensitive deep drum I've ever played. The great thing also is you can always find these drums used on Ebay for good prices. I didn't pay more than 200$ for my 400 or 402 in good condition on Ebay.
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ive read lot of you, drummers, use this snare and love it
why is it?
I bought a 5x14 LM 400 used for 125.00 in 99 have played many gigs with it Now i dont ALWAYS use it but,,different heads,in different genres and it always plays crisp and tight.The drum is a beast.It would be hard to make this thing sound bad.For the money there is not a better buy......Cheap and a great sound,Match that with a indestructible construction and there my take on it......Every drummer should own one...........
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I have a late 70s Super Sensitive. Same shell as the Supraphonic, but a different strainer. The SS strainer is quite fiddly and has lots of parts that can, and do break, but the parts are readily available on Ebay or through Ludwig, and it has so many micro adjustments that can be made to the snare wires, that, in my opinion, it's the best snare I've owned in terms of sound and versatility. But taking it to gigs is a hassle as it requires a special case (square, to accommodate the strainer) and I worry about damaging it.
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I think most of the Supras sound good. But I had a late 70s one that I couldn't get into - eventually I picked up a '71 - and voila. This drum has so much more body. The Supras are a nice balance of sensitivity, projection and tone.
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Ya know what I like about the supra? That felt damper.
Most of us (myself included) hate to see those things on drums but it's there and it works - no rattles or noises. I don't believe it takes anything away from the sound - if anything it might be part of what makes the supra sound. I like some ring but I still have it touching the head a bit. And when playing brushes there's no worry about snagging moongel or tape.
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you might have a brass 400. They were more common in the early 60's, and I believe they switched to the ludalloy shell in '62. I believe the brass shells were thinner, so the weight difference won't be all that much from the ludalloy ones. And of course, if it doesn't have that typical blister pitting the ludalloys always do, then it's a pretty good bet it's brass.
Nope...mine has pitting. The rims and hardware are definitely COB, though, except for the tension rods and the replaced throw-off. The ad said that it was a COB Supra, but when I saw it in person, the shell had pitting and the keystone badge had serial numbers--two tell-tale signs that it's Ludalloy. The thing almost sounds like a brass shell, though. There must be something to brass rims and hardware. Hmm....
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I guess you could say I have been rather "obsessed" with the Ludwig 402 (6.5x14). I've had a 5x14 Craviotto, a Pearl 6.5x14 brass sensitone, a DW 7x14 edge, a Tama 8x14 maple...none of them, for me, sounded as good as the 402. The 402 just has "it". For rock, it's loud, it's articulate, it has great tone with a nice "pop". Think "When the levee breaks" by Zeppelin. THAT is a classic supra sound. I think it is hard to make them sound bad, but they seem to sound best with a certain head combination. Alot of drummers who use them prefer a coated head, either an ambassador or emperor over a snare side ambassador.

When tuned properly, they just have that sound that is hard to beat. I have two of them, a 2004 model and a 1976 model. I must say the 1976 model sounds a tad sweeter, from what I have been told, coming from the thinner rims, higher quality lugs and possible slightly different alloy mixture. It's a slight difference, but a difference none the less and something to consider.
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They are just great sounding drums. That they are the most recorded doesn't really mean anything to me other than it is a verstile drum. That in itself is a major quality and a reason I bought one. (Which I cannot seem to find. Did I loan it to somebody???)
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They are just great sounding drums. That they are the most recorded doesn't really mean anything to me other than it is a verstile drum. That in itself is a major quality and a reason I bought one. (Which I cannot seem to find. Did I loan it to somebody???)
It's buried under all of your Sonor snares--ha! :)
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Would a 5x14 Supra (400) work well for acoustic playing, or is it better suited for rock? The crispness of the snare sounds good for jazzy stuff, but I worry that the aluminum may be too ringy.

I'm toying with the Yamaha Sensitive Snare (maple, 60 top/45 bottom) vs. the Supra. I'm thinking the Supra may have more uncontrollable ring to it?
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Yeah mate they can sound great. A fibreskin warmed mine up for accoustic gigs but it alkso worked with an Ambassador. I went looking for mine to fit a medium Modern Vintage. That's when I realised I did not have it. A mate will have it or it is in my secondary storage unit.

Try tuning yours down a bit for the accoustic thing.
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Would a 5x14 Supra (400) work well for acoustic playing, or is it better suited for rock? The crispness of the snare sounds good for jazzy stuff, but I worry that the aluminum may be too ringy.
I've used it for both acoustic and mic'd situations. It'll serve you well in both settings.

All metal snares ring to some degree. Head selection and tuning can eliminate some, but that's the nature of a metal drum. As for the 400 or the Yammie......two different drums. I'd suggest playing each and let your ear determine whether you prefer metal or wood.

Whats so good about supra's? For me, the quintessential snare drum sound. Love 'em so much I had to have both sizes. They can bury me with my 400 and 402!
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For even more versatility it's good to get one with the muffler in it. And, I'm talking about the ones with the dial and round muffler, not the ball bat ones that never really worked. To me that just makes them even more versatile. You can have the muffler barely touching the head, or you can have it full on muffled-far more adjustable than moon gels, which can also degrade over time, or fall off. And, I think the felt sounds better as a muffling agent than moon gel. I just never really liked the moon gel sound. I actually have the muffler fully engaged on my 400 for my cover band, which actually yeilds a fatter sound for that drum that I like better than the unmuffled sound. I never liked the muffler engaged too much with the 402- just a touch to take out a little high overtone. You gotta figure alot of those 70's recordings were recorded with supras with fully engaged mufflers.
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