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Old 03-16-2018, 04:00 PM
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I'm sure we've all gone through this, but here are a couple of examples.

Our bass player talked about getting an upright bass for YEARS (we play Americana music). Well, he finally dropped the coins and got one. After about two weeks, we talked on the phone regarding his frustration with it. While there are four strings on it and they are tuned E, A, D, and G, playing an upright is a different animal than playing an electric bass. I told him that he enjoyed the idea of playing an upright, but when it came down to it, it wasn't what he wanted.

When it comes to me, I feel like I have this love/hate relationship with compact drums. I love the idea of walking into a small venue with a small travel set (one of those with a 16" or 18" kick), or maybe one of those nesting kits. While I've not played a lot of 18" kicks, I've never liked the sound of them, no matter what is done to the heads. It simply doesn't have that "thump" that I need. A 20" is about as small as I'm willing to go in terms of size to get the sound I want. With a smaller kit, I mean the notes are there; however, it just doesn't blend well to my ears. Out front, everything may sound ok, but I just hate the sound from the drum throne. I can't stop looking at Whitney nesting kits from time to time though. Every few years, I start looking at those along with cocktail kits, but I'm afraid to take that kind of risk with my money.

I also like the idea of playing with big, dark cymbals, but my ears always go back to the glassy sound of A Customs.

In terms of playing guitar, I wanted to want a Martin because... (brace yourself - stupid idea coming)... it's my first name. However, my ears and hands prefer Taylor.

I like the idea of playing my hammered dulcimer at gigs and weddings, but I'm so burned out on it, I only get it out for big-paying gigs, and even then I'm grinning through the pain.

How about you? Is there anything that you love the idea of it, but when it comes right down to it, it doesn't work?
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:40 PM
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Alwayblove the idea of playing in a band, till I connect with a band and realize all they want to do is get by with playing just enough to get a gig and NEVER playing anything fully or growing as a musician. So, after a while of playing the same dead songs over and over and living through dumbed down parts and poor executions, I go back to just playing at home and enjoying the time away from buffoonery.
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I have this relationship with guitar gear much more than drum gear. I love the tones that the old Marshalls give some guys, I can just never get it. So everytime I see a deal on an old JCM or JMP I am so temped to buy it. But 20+ years of history tell me that I am not going to get the sound I want out of it. Same with Les Pauls. I love how they sound, but I have never found a neck that I like as much as an Ibanez or Jackson.

As for drum gear I have found what works for me and I dont stray too much from that. I will grab a different snare periodically for S&Gs but for the most part my drum setup hasnt changed much in the last 7 years or so.
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:53 PM
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I have this relationship with guitar gear much more than drum gear. I love the tones that the old Marshalls give some guys, I can just never get it. So everytime I see a deal on an old JCM or JMP I am so temped to buy it. But 20+ years of history tell me that I am not going to get the sound I want out of it. Same with Les Pauls. I love how they sound, but I have never found a neck that I like as much as an Ibanez or Jackson.
When it comes to guitars, chasing tone is a never-ending proposition. I've seen it with just about every other guitar player I've ever played with. One of my weaknesses is figuring out whether a certain electric guitar tone actually sounds good or not. I mean, a certain distortion may sound really good by itself; however, it may be super-muddy once other instruments join in. I'm pretty good with acoustic guitar tone, but when it comes to electric guitar tone, I have no idea what I'm doing. In addition, I've played with terrible players with great gear and I've played with great players with cheap gear. The great players, even with the cheap gear, make all of the difference, but it just adds to my confusion.
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This is all pedal related!

The JoJo Pedal, amazing idea, perfect for what I needed. Got one and they're amazing for a couple of gigs and then they get annoying and really fiddly to get right, had a faulty one that kept folding up mid song and Sonor had to replace it under warranty no thanks to Drumshack in London useless *@!*&@*. The ye olde 5000 strap drive is back in service.

The Duallist, I loved the idea of playing double pedal grooves and still having one foot free to control the hats. Stupidly over engineered and impractical.
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Old 03-16-2018, 05:02 PM
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Always loved the idea of playing in a band, till I connect with a band and realize all they want to do is get by with playing just enough to get a gig and NEVER playing anything fully or growing as a musician. So, after a while of playing the same dead songs over and over and living through dumbed down parts and poor executions, I go back to just playing at home and enjoying the time away from buffoonery.
I donít want to derail this thread because the OP wants to talk about drum gear. However I find this comment from AZHeat really amusing. Because Iím in the exact opposite situation. My band wants to keep learning and perfecting new and seldom heard songs. We keep pushing the technical musical envelope. We just learned ďIn Memory Of Elizabeth ReedĒ. We can now nail this song. Problem is, playing seldom and never heard songs, means we canít find any gigs. Most audiences want to hear those same old dead songs over and over again.

I'm sure there is a happy medium where popular songs are played by good musicians who can make them fun to play.

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Alwayblove the idea of playing in a band, till I connect with a band and realize all they want to do is get by with playing just enough to get a gig and NEVER playing anything fully or growing as a musician. So, after a while of playing the same dead songs over and over and living through dumbed down parts and poor executions, I go back to just playing at home and enjoying the time away from buffoonery.
That's too bad. I hope you can hook up with some folks who care. They are few and far between though.

The worst part of dealing with musicians is that they are musicians.
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Alwayblove the idea of playing in a band, till I connect with a band and realize all they want to do is get by with playing just enough to get a gig and NEVER playing anything fully or growing as a musician. So, after a while of playing the same dead songs over and over and living through dumbed down parts and poor executions, I go back to just playing at home and enjoying the time away from buffoonery.
Get into an original band that is pushing the envelope. Most guys content to play covers will only do "enough to get a gig" because that is all thats required. Guys writing their own stuff will tend to push themselves more, or at least be open to being pushed.
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Alwayblove the idea of playing in a band, till I connect with a band and realize all they want to do is get by with playing just enough to get a gig and NEVER playing anything fully or growing as a musician. So, after a while of playing the same dead songs over and over and living through dumbed down parts and poor executions, I go back to just playing at home and enjoying the time away from buffoonery.
I'm in total agreement with this. I want it badly, but it always turns out to be a long, drawn out unpleasant experience... mainly due to the egos involved. I have yet to find a guitar player who isn't a egomaniac - at least around these parts, anyway.
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Old 03-16-2018, 05:21 PM
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The cajon.


It's just a box.


It will never sound like a drum set.


Why?


Because it's just a box...sometimes with wires inside.


But I want it to sound like a drum set.
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Old 03-16-2018, 05:43 PM
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I really wasnít suggesting playing never heard covers. Itís way better to play in an original band, than B side covers. Guys around here just want to keep pretending they are rock stars, by hiding behind movement, distortion and over-played songs. There are so many old funk songs, R&B and fun rock tunes that can move a crowd, but no...same crap over and over.

Sorry Pork,

I totally missed the part about this being a gear thread. My bad. Now for gear, I totally agree with the Cajon comment. I get asked to sit in and play those things and not touching it. I have bongos and a djembe that while fun to play, mostly sit. Iíd rather play a bar top than a Cajon. At least Iíll have somewhere to set my beer.
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For me it has been ride and crash cymbals. I have owned over 35 Sabian cymbals in the last 15 years, some of them the same model more than once. Right now I have six cymbals, four of which I will be using Sunday afternoon at a benefit gig. I have had about the same luck buying cymbals in a store where I could hear them as I have with an online or phone order.
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But isn't one fun to have at home, in a collection? I know it's not a good substitute for a real bass drum, but I've always thought it would be fun to mess around on... I was gonna get one eventually, just to see.
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I have had about the same luck buying cymbals in a store where I could hear them as I have with an online or phone order.
I always thought the ear was the best way to make a decision??? Do your ears lie to you? Please explain and thank you.

My next big purchase will be cymbals and I surely don't want to make a bad choice!
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Old 03-16-2018, 06:33 PM
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But isn't one fun to have at home, in a collection? I know it's not a good substitute for a real bass drum, but I've always thought it would be fun to mess around on... I was gonna get one eventually, just to see.
Iíve heard some upper end ones that can sound close to bongo. They were nice, but bongos cost less.
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I bet I could just build one. I wonder what the internal structure looks like?

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The cajon.


It's just a box.


It will never sound like a drum set.


Why?


Because it's just a box...sometimes with wires inside.


But I want it to sound like a drum set.
Cajon, the blank-inside card of the drum world. The guy who thought that one up must wake up laughing. Like the comedian said about cajons, "It's okay, you can just clap along." I find it impossible to take someone seriously when they're sitting on one of those things.
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The Sabian Omni cymbals. I snagged a good deal on one when they first came out, and it was just, disappointing.
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Old 03-16-2018, 11:26 PM
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The Sabian Omni cymbals. I snagged a good deal on one when they first came out, and it was just, disappointing.
Like most other cymbals, they are all over the place. The first few I heard were stunningly beautiful sounding. When I was all set to get one, I couldnít find one near to my liking. Iíve since heard great ones. Funny how things suddenly vanish when one in a position to buy!
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I always thought the ear was the best way to make a decision??? Do your ears lie to you? Please explain and thank you.

My next big purchase will be cymbals and I surely don't want to make a bad choice!
I have made mistakes buying cymbals in a store where I could play them and hear them played. The best two cymbals I ever bought were one phone order and one online order. I have learned from those mistakes and will not repeat. I was only listening for pitch; I should have also payed attention to how easily they opened. Now I do. Peace and goodwill.
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The worst part of dealing with musicians is that they are musicians.
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I also like the idea of playing with big, dark cymbals, but my ears always go back to the glassy sound of A Customs.
Ditto with the big dark cymbals. I even have a dark cymbal set 22" ride, 18" crash and 14" hats, but when I play them I'm always missing the sound of my bright cymbals. And they just don't fit with the sound of my rock band.

Also for me.... playing guitar. I'd love to play it. I'd love to be able to just grab an acoustic and play and sing some songs, but I'm just terrible at it. I've tried taking lessons with a teacher, taking online lessons, and just messing around with it. I just doesn't click. I bought another guitar recently to try again but right now the bass is taking all of my practice time.

Regarding the cajon: it was never meant to be or replace a drum set. I don't know where people got that idea from. It's just a rudimentary percussion instruments like many other drums, with a low-pitched and a high-pitched sound. Sounds nice in some contexts, where an actual drum kit would be too overpowering.
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In my kit I have a K Custom Hybrid Crash, which I got as part of a deal where I bought a whole bunch of cymbals, and ended up keeping that plus a pair of 15" New Beat hats (which I adore).

When I'm at the kit, it mostly just sounds clangy-er than I like. It sounds better out front, and I like that the bell can double as a milder ride cymbal than my ride, but overall I'm a little underwhelmed with it.

Also, the Mapex 'M' Birch kit that I had. There was nothing wrong with it, it just wasn't much of an improvement of the early 90's Pearl Exports that it replaced. It did *look* heaps better though.
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Bought a 12Ē SR splash. Love the sound but canít find a really good use for it. Bought a PDP 3x13 steel piccolo, cheap, but same thing- doesnít fit with either bandís music.
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The worst part of dealing with musicians is that they are musicians.
The famous quote: "Love music, hate musicians".





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Cajon, the blank-inside card of the drum world. The guy who thought that one up must wake up laughing. Like the comedian said about cajons, "It's okay, you can just clap along." I find it impossible to take someone seriously when they're sitting on one of those things.

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Oooohhhh.... cajon and yazz flute!
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Really deep snare drums and huge drum kits (as in large diameter drums). I love the idea of trying to be Bonham or Chick Webb with a 26" or 28" bass drum as part of a 4 piece. I even bought a vintage Slingerland 28" bass drum. I love the way it sounds but I just hate carting large drums to a gig. I also have a 14x10 custom snare that I never use. My ears really don't care for anything larger than a 6.5" depth.

I pretty much only gig my kit with the 20" bass drum and a 5" snare.
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