Notes from a studio session

If you get a total headcase telling you how to play drums in particular singers that don't play an instrument I walk - and have done in the past

This I do not understand at all. I've never heard of a professional studio musician that walks away from a paying job, never ever ever.

You can't do that. Do it just once and you've got the reputation forever.

Nope, I'm not buying it.
 
For those of us who have not done studio work, can you clarify what you mean about the nod from the ending fadeout guy? Do you mean you keep playing through the part that is eventually faded out by the engineer on the final record, until such point as the fadeout guy tells you to stop playing?? I'm not understanding why this was pointed out. Would you have naturally stopped playing earlier based on the circumstances?

The fade out was simply a vamp on the last section of the chart being repeated over and over. When we were tracking we just kept playing. When the song is engineered, the engineer will fade out the ending on the track. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, you would hear Steve Smith start to stretch on the endings on the Journey songs which faded out. Steve didn't know how much was going to be kept in the final product.

The end of the song will never be heard on the final product and there wasn't a good place to develop a "tag" on some songs - they just didn't lend themselves to it.

The reason why this was pointed out was that you should keep playing until the guy in charge says stop (by making eye contact with everyone and nodding his head) as opposed to "trying to dictate by telepathy as to what the drummer wants the rest of the band to do because they should completely understand where the drummer was trying to go musically." And I use this last phrase because it was used by a female singer to the rest of the band a few years back in a different situation. I don't have telepathy and I don't expect anyone else to either. In this recording session, spontaneity wasn't the primary goal, like it was, say, for Miles Davis' or Warren Cucurullo's projects. Miles was interested in "capturing the moment" and the moment to Miles, was perfection.


Like I said in the intial post, these were just notes which I made so that the next time, I remember and everything comes together with less effort and fewer mistakes. I felt that the notes were worth sharing just like a friend used to share how, because he wanted to do session work, he would look at who produced the albums which were climbing the charts so that he would have a feel for what would make him a successful studio musician.

You have to remember that the drum track has to be good enough for everything else to be good enough and that the first take may have the best of everyone else's playing on it (maybe the guitar solo was really rockin' and you don't want to have to throw away the take because the drum track was sub-par).

One other thing which I just remembered is that I deliberately did keep most everything simple - I did play fills and such. While the guitar player stacked on more parts on one song, I realized after he had done something on one song that the song was better off with me leaving space (sonic space, if you will) because playing more would have cluttered the song up.

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This I do not understand at all. I've never heard of a professional studio musician that walks away from a paying job, never ever ever.

You can't do that. Do it just once and you've got the reputation forever.

Nope, I'm not buying it.

While I understand and respect with what you have said, when the person is being abusive, you walk. Jeff Porcarro and Rick Marrotta have done this. Jeff's moment was recording with Rickie Lee Jones and was documented in a Modern Drummer article.

While I realize that neither you nor I are either one of these guys, when the leader is abusive, it won't take long for that leader's bad reputation to spread like wildfire and then no one will have anything to do with him.

This is already happening to a guy I used to work for in Dallas; he's now regarded as a psycho and none of the "inner circle" players will have anything to with him or his band. He now has a bad rep and well-deserved! I like to say that there are two types of people in the world: those who know how he is and those who soon will!

Had an amen from one of the top drummers in Dallas on this last week!

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In any job, having a clown who doesn't understand a professional's field and trying to micromanage is the pits. I've never been a contractor but I imagine there's be times when you'd just have to suck it up due to the risk of getting a bad rep in potential employer's networks.

Mike, I'm another who hadn't heard about the fadeout thing. Wouldn't the score just have 32 bars of repeat (or whatever) to finish and at some point in the mixing phase the engineer attenuates?

There wasn't a score; it was all number charts. But you're right about the attenuation in the mixdown (which was the phrase I was trying to find earlier)!

But you brought up a point about being a contractor - it can be the pits when you're the band leader and you have either a micromanager or band members being stupid. In the case of the micromanager, do the best that you can. In the case of the band members getting tanked (to the point of not being able to do their job competently), don't call them next time.

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No offense but where do you draw the line. You mean you just allow people to bitch slap you because they can. No chance. Maybe my Irish blood :0) . Tust me, the power tripper is normally the one who gets the bad reputation - I'm drumming for nearly 30 years and work with so many bands and OK I've walked once or twice max. in 25 years - but I would think nothing of doing it again if I met that type of major controlling personality. I don't mean someone looking for that subtle touch or certain feel, I mean an unreasonable oaf who will never be anything else - everyone has a choice and mine is not to deal with it - I just said I've enough and end of storey. Granted if you were a loose cannon and rocked the boat every time smeone wanted a different vibe that's one thing :0) but not when you just want to murder the guy who really knows F. all but just trying to be a power tripper - not my bag - and has never effected me in a negative way for standing up for my knowledge and ability - last week 4 recordings - July for example I have 12 Scheduled - maybe you just have not been on the scene long enough to experience this yet - but you will - promise :0)

I defer to your experience in the field.
 
I defer to your experience in the field.

There are many people in this business who are only in it to be "the alpha male, the guy in charge and act like he is telling everyone else what to do, thus proving he, and only he, has the magical powers to deliver" so that he looks like his is the master. They are everywhere and must be dealt with in a skillful manner.

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