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Old 10-09-2012, 07:23 AM
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Default I need funk!

ok, no big long educational rants about how the origin of music came from pinoccio's nose hairs, I want straight up links to the good stuff!

Back in music school my teacher had me play to some sweet acid jazz/funk stuff. mainly straight on the eights on the hats but heaps of variation underneath and cool fills.

What I want is some faster type funk/jazz mix stuff that's kind of driving, instrumental if possible, that I can jam to for groove sake, and just get used to being comfortable at higher tempos in that setting. It may not make sense to all the 'amazingly way too talented I'd be that good to if I didn't have to work or breathe, oh what?, and you have a sucessful carreer and play all the instruments on your tracks? Well then....' people on here, but I get good at what I do, so just because I can blast beat doesn't mean I'm comfortable at higher tempo jazz ride stuff or funk stuff...

The groove's ok, it's when you start thinking ahead about what you're going to do and either rush it or just do something that's ok but not in the feel of things. Basically I want some good stuff that I can learn the feel of.

If what I'm saying doesn't make sense, I agree. Anything welcome.

One song I really liked was Red Baron by Cobham... little slow for what I'm asking for, so maybe imagine that start groove sped up by 30-40 per cent.
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:47 AM
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How about Larry Carlton's Point It Up? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-hUK7HE8Eg

If you're really brave then Stanley Clarke's Silly Putty.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: I need funk!

Here's the group that back in the early 1980's that is responsible for my jumping ship from rock. Seen them live more times than I can count and inspired just the same.

This is the album and song that did it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYkuxVlpEWk

Here's a couple others more recent from the same band:

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKoZe...eature=related

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcL23m9QuaM
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:26 PM
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Here's the group that back in the early 1980's that is responsible for my jumping ship from rock. Seen them live more times than I can count and inspired just the same.

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKoZe...eature=related

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcL23m9QuaM
He speaks the truth. If you're looking for funk, go directly to Tower Of Power. Do not pass go, Do not collect... etc. etc.

Garibaldi is the man!
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: I need funk!

When it comes to Jazz-Funk, I feel that many of the drummers of that genre were a pale imitation (quite literally in some cases) of the real thing. Very watered-down 'funky' performances.

Garibaldi was (and is) an exception, of course!

Some of the B3 guys made fantastic funky albums. My favourite - every track has a killer groove - is Electric Funk by Jimmy McGriff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eFqWpIOfsI

There are fast tracks too...although possibly a little more 'acid' than the sort of Jazz you had in mind?

Still, listen to the drumming in the above vid. yum yum!
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:18 PM
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The pinnacle of funk was attained when Rick James released the "Superfreak".
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: I need funk!

Mahavishnu- Cosmic Strut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZO50qj0_1A

Jimmy Smith- Root Down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R99VnAwZepM

Brand X- Born Ugly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TALWkw3cWqA

Herbie- Chameleon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbkqE4fpvdI

And in case it gets dark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIpg4vmtb3Q
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:10 PM
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For the faster more busy stuff you have to go back to Clyde Stubblefield, Jabo Starks, Bernard Purdie.

Here's Clyde (remember this is back in the day when a Ludwig Speed King was a high end pedal): http://youtu.be/3WXjWokMOKk

Back in the early days of TOP there was also Cold Blood with Gaylord Birch, check the way the groove on this builds from an upside down guitar part, and then the double time at the end. http://youtu.be/U4JzqBr3QNY
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:19 AM
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Default Re: I need funk!

Great suggestions so far :)

Modern funk-jazz, check Keith Carlock's funky drumming...

With Rudder... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_bFB...feature=relmfu

and with Oz Noy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Le40...eature=related
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:44 AM
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I discovered funk in a video game, interstate 76.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUmyyIcT6Zg

No singers to ruin it. Just awesome funk. I wish they had done more than 1 album cos I can't find anything similar. Anyone know something?
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:47 AM
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Forgot Pick up the Pieces. Didn't mention ToP because Wacka would prefer instrumentals.

Jeff Beck's Blow by Blow album is good to play along with.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:52 AM
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All the Chester Thompson era TOP albums had an instrumental. The part in Squib Cakes where Chester takes over the bass line and it's just him and Dave is one of my all time musical events.

For a little while my band was playing this song when we had a guitarist who was into this stuff. The bass player and I were already into it. The end part with the bars of 7 made life interesting. http://youtu.be/XOQ3KyFvIcM
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:56 AM
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More Sco, Kind of a Red Baron Tempo but if you can keep up with Dennis' foot and groove, you're doing great. http://youtu.be/Z4AtH9ei1dY
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:27 AM
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OK, strictly old-school, but damn cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwtJXVwa5eE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C5Kl58eMTA

plus revival old-school:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55s4j6gmIwM
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:51 AM
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Soullive: http://youtu.be/AGrFqGqbzfw

Dumpstaphunk: http://youtu.be/6DA98cvyAk8
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:21 AM
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In the best James Brown tradition. D'Angelo at the BET Awards. Get past the commercials and fast forward to 2:00. If you can keep your head still, you don't have a pulse.
http://www.bet.com/video/betawards/2...s/dangelo.html
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:59 AM
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ohmigoshohmigoshohmigosh

Thanks guys!!!, I'm going to go through all of these after the big move this weekend and learn to lay it down. When I think drums funk is the only genre on drums I think of as sexy. Sexy drums= funk. I'm SO excited.

Been working on all my triplets and single foot quads so they're pretty happy right now but I want to contextualize it. I think funk does a great job of sitting both behind the beat and in front of depending on song, so I really want to learn the feel more than anything. I don't want to turn into a technical no feeler so funky funkety funk (sound like a fill on a $50 kit right?) for me. Weeeee

Funk the dumb stuff!
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:33 AM
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I like this Stanley Clarke tune

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXsZVs1EEfw
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:08 AM
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I wonder where the enthusiasm comes from without hearing the records first, but whatever, I don't have to understand everything. Here are all the grooves from Maggot Brain written out.

A couple of tracks: Hit It And Quit It / Can You Get To That

Here's some bonus Betty Davis, too.
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:14 AM
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I was at a show where Bill Champlin said "James Brown taught us that the one is an EVENT". Funk is displacing parts of the beat in a manner similar to swing. The displacements hit me playing along to Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis drum programming like Janet Jackson, http://youtu.be/fhuqORa_y6k Hear how early the two is, and how correspondingly late the four is.

Going back and listing to everything from Purdie to Gadd to Steve Jordan, I heard the same thing. Just a bit more subtle in places. Moving bits around gives a pulse and drive without causing the music to race. I couldn't understand the "in the pocket" bit about being slightly late when folks were also asking for the music to kick butt and drive. This showed me that you can drag the 4 back in the pocket as long as you came back and hit the 1 where it counted. And pushed the 2 even further forward to get some drive.

Another way is to displace the ride pattern from the backbeat a. la. Greg Errico (and Jordan, Evans, and others). You can have a back in the pocket backbeat if the kick is where it's supposed to be and the ride pattern is way up on top. e.g. Mary J. Blige's Family Affair http://youtu.be/1x7W15iXT30 is an extreme example of a steady insistent hat pattern on top of the beat while the backbeat is further back (although the 4 is still later than the 2).
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