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Old 03-20-2012, 05:15 AM
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I can just touch on this a bit. During a tracking session last week I just thought that maybe the Tune Bot would be of some use as an engineering tool. What I did was to use the Tune Bot to find the approximate frequency of each drum in the kit to be able to more or less pinpoint the center equalization and then transfer this information to the EQ pots on the board. I've always done this by ear, but this takes some of the guess work out of the equation. All I had to do then was adjust the "Q", or bandwidth,and the gain or reduction of the equalized frequency. I never over equalize anything, but sometimes 2 or 3 decibels of correction is all that is needed, especially when you're able to hone in on the frequency within 5 or 6 cycles of the source. It only took a couple of minutes to hit each drum and jot down the readings for reference.

It's not really earth shattering, but I'm trying to look at both pros and cons in some alternate uses.

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Interesting.

And goes to what I said in another thread: what will make or break this product is if recording studios and roadies find it useful.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:30 AM
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it can't do any worse than the drum dial...
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:20 AM
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I'm having trouble understanding something. If I want to tune my kit to thirds then i should be able to follow the chart supplied with the Tune-Bot but it's not making sense to me. I understand the top set of Notes, C E G B D F A C, but below that I cannot follow the logic in terms of thirds.

I'm just learning this stuff so a Google search gave me good explanation of thirds. One is, "Whenever two notes are separated by a distance of two whole steps (or four half steps), it is called an interval of a major third." The other is, "Whenever two notes are separated by a distance of one and one-half steps (or three half steps), it is called an interval of a minor third."

For example, the second line down starting with C# the next Note is F but if a major third is a separation of two whole steps and a minor third is a separation of one and a half steps then how could going from C# to F be a third if it's separated by two and half steps?

With these two examples in mind I try to follow the Thirds Chart but it doesn't 'seem' to conform to the the two rules above. Can you guys take a look at that chart and see if it makes sense to you?
If we write out the notes it's easier to understand.

A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G# (A etc)

If you jump 3 half-steps it's a minor third eg A to C
If you jump 4 half-steps it's a major third eg A to C#

Confusion will arise as there is no B# and no E#, or to be totally correct B# = C and E# = F

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Old 03-22-2012, 06:42 AM
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If we write out the notes it's easier to understand.

A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G# (A etc)

If you jump 3 half-steps it's a minor third eg A to C
If you jump 4 half-steps it's a major third eg A to C#

Confusion will arise as there is no B# and no E#, or to be totally correct B# = C and E# = F

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I am an extremely melodic drummer, and I have to say no the tunebot concept. First, I have 20 toms I have to tune quickly to a pitch before a show or clinic. I don't have time to check every lug. I also know that placing a finger or whatever at the center of the head creates harmonics becoming the main tone, much like barely touching a guitar string. I don't want to tune to the harmonics. I use a lot of single head toms in my set (a dozen roto toms, 4 homemade picollo toms) and playing the harmonics is part of my creativity. Trying to tune a drum while the harmonics are present is simply beyond my comprehension.
I take a small piano with me to tune before every show, usually can get it pretty close in less than 20 minutes. A tunebot, even if working perfectly, would lengthen my tuning time by at at least another 20 minutes. For $140 list I could get a smaller piano than what I have now to create clean pitches to tune the drums.
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For example, the second line down starting with C# the next Note is F but if a major third is a separation of two whole steps and a minor third is a separation of one and a half steps then how could going from C# to F be a third if it's separated by two and half steps?
C D D# E F
Four half steps: C# to D, D to D#, D# to E, E to F
And two half steps equals one whole step
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Old 03-23-2012, 04:48 AM
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C D D# E F
Four half steps: C# to D, D to D#, D# to E, E to F
And two half steps equals one whole step
Thanks Soupy. Confusing, but not so much anymore.
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I am an extremely melodic drummer, and I have to say no the tunebot concept. First, I have 20 toms I have to tune quickly to a pitch before a show or clinic. I don't have time to check every lug.
Admittedly, the jargon at hand may be a bit limiting and sometimes confusing, as the phrase "tune a drum" to refer to both 1) The process of equalizing the pitch around one head of the drum, and 2) Selecting a pleasing overall sound for drum as a whole factoring in shell tone and pitch of all heads on the drum. Sounds like you're generally concerned with the latter, not the former,
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I don't want to tune to the harmonics.
I believe it has been said both in this thread and in tunebot marketing that you can simply hit the drum in the center of the head to read the fundamental pitch rather than a harmonic.
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I take a small piano with me to tune before every show, usually can get it pretty close in less than 20 minutes. A tunebot, even if working perfectly, would lengthen my tuning time by at at least another 20 minutes. For $140 list I could get a smaller piano than what I have now to create clean pitches to tune the drums.
I have a chromatic tuner app, Cleartune, for my iPhone which cost a few bucks, and has a very handy pitch generator, is much smaller than any piano. :]

I don't mean to endorse the tunebot, or even suggest you should try, let alone buy one. You have a process that works for you, so by all means stick with that. But I think your criticisms are a little unfair. Not sure how you can say it would double the time you spend tuning before a show when you don't have one in hand. Given that the highly-skeptical audiotech (whom I respect a lot for giving it a fair evaluation rather than a quick dismissal) has found some value in using it to record drum fundamental pitches for EQ purposes, it should also be usable for your purpose of reading and verifying melodic intervals between concert-tuned drums. It's smaller than a piano as well.

Though it stands that perhaps the biggest weakness of the device is that it can't really be better than a well tuned ear. Similar to, perhaps.

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Old 03-23-2012, 04:59 PM
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I am an extremely melodic drummer, and I have to say no the tunebot concept. First, I have 20 toms I have to tune quickly to a pitch before a show or clinic. I don't have time to check every lug. I also know that placing a finger or whatever at the center of the head creates harmonics becoming the main tone, much like barely touching a guitar string. I don't want to tune to the harmonics. I use a lot of single head toms in my set (a dozen roto toms, 4 homemade picollo toms) and playing the harmonics is part of my creativity. Trying to tune a drum while the harmonics are present is simply beyond my comprehension.
I just clip it on, and smack right in the middle of the head for the fundamental pitch. However - I can see though how long it would take to tune 160 or so Tom lugs!

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I take a small piano with me to tune before every show, usually can get it pretty close in less than 20 minutes. A tunebot, even if working perfectly, would lengthen my tuning time by at at least another 20 minutes. For $140 list I could get a smaller piano than what I have now to create clean pitches to tune the drums.
I used to tune to a keyboard, and almost bought a small one to take with me. Luckily, I just clip it to the rim and tap around the lugs first, make any minute adjustments and then hit the middle of the head for a final check on the fundamental pitch. Works pretty quick for me since my tension rods are locked down so they don't loosen. I try to check the tuning each day on them anyways. ($99 list price @ GC)

This device probably isn't going to replace the tuning skills that experienced tuners have developed over years of practice. I don't think any device can replace the human ear. Kinda like spending years on the chain pedal, then trying direct drive. We thrive best with what is most natural or comfortable to us. I'm looking forward to the day I sell my TB because I didn't need it anymore. Won't be for a while though...
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Old 03-30-2012, 04:46 AM
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So is this worth buying for someone who has no experience tuning drums?

Seems like for people who have tuned for years, it might not be.
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Old 03-30-2012, 03:22 PM
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If you have no experience whatsoever it might help but it'll take you awhile, I think it is best suited for those with some tuning experience but who aren't happy with their exact tone, or the repeat-ability of their tuning setup. I can get a head in tune with itself and get the drum sounding good on my own, but with this the intervals between each head and each tom are much closer to perfect and sound way better when using the TB. Like all tuning aids it has its drawbacks compared to just being able to tune perfectly by ear, and I rarely use it mid-gig because its slower than just going by ear, but it is more perfect than my ear as well as scientific so I feel It is a good way to train yourself from ok tuning by ear to perfect.
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Old 03-30-2012, 04:07 PM
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I'm surprised how many distractors there are here. Clearly if the device is tricky to use or is quirky that's one thing. But it is a new bit of technology available at a reasonable price.

There is a huge swathe of folk who cannot, who don't bother or who struggle (me) to tune drums. If this device enables them to find some tunings that they like and can repeat with new heads then it's got real value. If it enables folks on fora like this to say my Tama Silverstar 10" tom really sings at 240 top and 220 bottom. Then others can try and replicate it.

If you don't need any help then you don't need the device. There's no need to diss it. Really puzzled by the negativity.

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Old 03-30-2012, 05:06 PM
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I have the TB and use it to fine tune after using my DD to get things close.

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When does it become available in Europe?
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:34 PM
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So is this worth buying for someone who has no experience tuning drums?

Seems like for people who have tuned for years, it might not be.
Hi Mike.

In my opinion this device is perfect for someone with no experience, little experience, poor tuning skills or great tuning skills that want to fine tune their drums.

I would love to have enough experience to just pick up a drum and quickly tune it perfectly using a drum key and my ears. I admire those that can, but I can't. I don't have the experience or skills 'yet'. So here's a device that allows me to physically see what my ears are 'thinking' they hear. Contrary to a previous slow and frustrating experience, I've learned more and faster about tuning and have better tactile and hearing skills than ever before thanks to this device.

Bottom line, it works, it's been fun to use and my kit now sounds better than it ever has. Don't be intimidated by some that may feel 'your not paying your dues man!' or 'all tuning devices are crap!'. Buy it, try it out, follow the instructions and tips in this thread, and then, if you don't like it, return it, no harm no foul and you can then legitimately bad mouth it if you want, but I honestly don't think you'll feel that way.
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:54 PM
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When does it become available in Europe?
Maybe the Tune-Bot employee knows better, but, I ordered one from a UK store last month, because, living in The Netherlands, I couldn't find another store around here I could (pre-)order it from. It was supposed to arrive about now but apparently there is a 3 weeks delay. I guess the USA is supplied first, then the rest of the world.

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I would love to have enough experience to just pick up a drum and quickly tune it perfectly using a drum key and my ears. I admire those that can, but I can't. I don't have the experience or skills 'yet'.
I'm in the same boat. I've been playing for 4 years and tuning has always been a hassle. I can get a head in tune pretty OK but knowing what note to tune all those heads to puzzles me. I've tried an Evans torque key and a Tama Tension Watch (I couldn't get a Drum Dial over here) but not much improvement. It seems that tuning while tapping a drum head for a couple of minutes makes me tone death or something. So, I thought I'd give that Tune-Bot a try.

But because of the delay I decided this afternoon to try that tuning to notes route, using a keyboard as a reference and wearing ear-plugs to dampen the sound and avoid hearing-fatigue. Actually, that worked pretty well, best tuning I ever did. I always felt like I was missing a reference note I should tune to.
I used the notes I found here somewhere: 8" = 4A, 10" = 4E, 12" = 3B, 14" = 3F#, 16" = 3C# and the snare was 4G.

I'm still curious if my tuning skills will getter and faster when I get my Tune-Bot.
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There's only one supplier in the UK = absolutemusic.com

I don't know about the rest of Europe.

However, they have sold out their first batch of 50 and are waiting, like the rest of the world, for more to come through.

Rarer than petrol at the moment!

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There's only one supplier in the UK = absolutemusic.com

I don't know about the rest of Europe.

However, they have sold out their first batch of 50 and are waiting, like the rest of the world, for more to come through.

Rarer than petrol at the moment!

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Yeah, right, that's the one where I ordered. I'm supposed to get one of the first batch.

I even sent Thomann.de an email about it. They replied: we won't stock them because they're not in demand. Wrong decision if you ask me.
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rockem music said the same - once they're more established they might stock them.
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TB is now in the Musician's Friend - April 2012 Hardcover Catalog. Haven't found it online yet.

I imagine you can call them to hunt it down. It's on page 122, middle of page. $99

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Old 04-01-2012, 08:40 PM
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TB is now in the Musician's Friend - April 2012 Hardcover Catalog. Haven't found it online yet.

I imagine you can call them to hunt it down. It's on page 122, middle of page. $99

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Not surprised another major online vender has taken notice. The Tune-Bot is not perfect, it has some areas it can be improved on, but keep in mind as far as we know this is only the basic version 1.0 and as with any other new product the true test bed is wide spred public usage. The feedback that Overtone Labs is getting will only make the next version even better, perhaps with better accuracy, more features ect. My version 1.0 works pretty well, I'm not disappointed at all. Next year (or whenever it is) when 2.0 comes out I won't hesitate to buy it.
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Not surprised another major online vender has taken notice. The Tune-Bot is not perfect, it has some areas it can be improved on, but keep in mind as far as we know this is only the basic version 1.0 and as with any other new product the true test bed is wide spred public usage. The feedback that Overtone Labs is getting will only make the next version even better, perhaps with better accuracy, more features ect. My version 1.0 works pretty well, I'm not disappointed at all. Next year (or whenever it is) when 2.0 comes out I won't hesitate to buy it.
I'm pretty cool with mine! I don't have an issue paying $99 for fast, accurate, repeatable tuning. Now I'm not measuring anything in a nuclear plant or the space shuttle, so it fits my own requirements. That's one less thing (tuning) I have to worry about. My licks and grooves are gonna need that time and attention.

Mike - I told Chris at the SD Drum shop to stock these...
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Old 04-02-2012, 05:28 AM
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Cool, it's been a couple weeks since I demo'd one at their shop, they seemed pretty stoked on it. Once they get them on the shelves it would be a good excuse for drummers to stop in and support their local Drum Shop.
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This is a great thread. Most of the other stuff I've been seeing online has just been "Use a Drum Dial" or "Learn to tune by ear, newbie." I was about to go back to GC and return my Tune-Bot for a Drum Dial, but I'm going to give it another full shot this weekend and tune the whole kit.

I'm glad to see some science being dropped on this. That 'Sticks and Staves' website is incredible, too. I know that tuning is a personal thing, and you have to develop an ear for it - I just don't know why it's so hard to find someone who is willing to tell you "Yeah, a 10" tom should be somewhere around a D. Try that to start."
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This is a great thread. Most of the other stuff I've been seeing online has just been "Use a Drum Dial" or "Learn to tune by ear, newbie." I was about to go back to GC and return my Tune-Bot for a Drum Dial, but I'm going to give it another full shot this weekend and tune the whole kit.

I'm glad to see some science being dropped on this. That 'Sticks and Staves' website is incredible, too. I know that tuning is a personal thing, and you have to develop an ear for it - I just don't know why it's so hard to find someone who is willing to tell you "Yeah, a 10" tom should be somewhere around a D. Try that to start."
I was just thinking the other day that there must be at least 100+ guitar tuners out there. At our house, we have about 2 just laying around in every room. Some missing batteries,and a few by my kit where I tried to use them to tune my drums. Heck, my son even has the tuner application on his phone. Just unfair man!

To hell with equality, because us drummers always march to another beat anyways!

You're not going to find any NOTES at all in the drumdial instructions. Because it's not measuring an audio tone or frequency. Methinks only electronics can do that (besides the tuner pros here).

I'd be interested in hearing why you'd return the TB in exchange for the drum dial, when across the board, many are doing the opposite. Maybe we've missed a defect or shortcoming on the TB? I've spoken to the drum dial owner. Sharp guy. Believes in his product, and he should because it is quite accurate. It just doesn't measure what I'm trying to.

Mr. TB will open your eyes to the notes lying beneath your drumheads. It forced me to learn how to place the tone of the 12" tom, between the notes of the 10" and monster 16" floor. That fricken 12" tom was the hardest thing to tune. Now we're rocking. Out of boredom, I grabbed a spare ST head and threw it on a snare and had it tuned in about 2 minutes. I'm not a tuning pro at all, but this device gets me close enough. Tuning is still a personal thing and you still have to develop an ear for it. There are people on this forum that tune their drums by notes. At least now we have a fighting chance.

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Old 04-07-2012, 07:28 PM
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I'll hold out for a later version that has the major bugs worked out. I'll be OK in the meantime.

Drummers need something to make tuning easier. It's hard enough being a drummer.
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What bugs? I own one and it works fine if you learn to use it.
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going on 2 months now and I really enjoy the finesse of the TB. I still use the DD to get my tensions where I want it, then dial in my note/freq. with the TB....simple.


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Old 04-08-2012, 04:28 AM
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I got one from absolutemusic. Friendly guys and they did not mind shipping the unit to Malaysia!

I played with my tune-bot a few hours yesterday.
The biggest issue it/I have is that it cannot find the sweet spot.
I think the fastest way is to tune to the sound you like and then use the tun-bot to fine tune and get the lugs in tune with themselves.
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You're not going to find any NOTES at all in the drumdial instructions. Because it's not measuring an audio tone or frequency. Methinks only electronics can do that (besides the tuner pros here).
That's what's really got me interested in the Tune-Bot, actually. The Drum Dial sounds great for measuring timpanic pressure, but I don't play timpanic pressure - I play notes. So it makes sense to get a tuner that detects notes.

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I'd be interested in hearing why you'd return the TB in exchange for the drum dial, when across the board, many are doing the opposite. Maybe we've missed a defect or shortcoming on the TB? I've spoken to the drum dial owner. Sharp guy. Believes in his product, and he should because it is quite accurate. It just doesn't measure what I'm trying to.
I'm glad to elucidate! The main thing the Drum Dial has above the Tune-Bot isn't related to the products at all - it's the community. The Drum Dial has been around longer, and a quick search turned up a lot of different values that people have tried, even customized down to the head and the kit type. For the Tune-Bot, this thread right here is the most informative one I've found, and there seems to be much less agreement on the right way to tune a set of drums with the Tune-Bot. That consensus will be built organically over time.

The big obstacle for me was that I just got totally exhausted using the Tune-Bot. I spent over an hour tuning my snare to precise frequencies, and I didn't feel I was any closer to getting a good sound out of it than when I started. It's entirely possible that I could use the Tune-Bot to get a really good sound out of my drums, but it's going to be a 6-8 hour process.

I should mention, too, that I'm not necessarily writing off the Tune-Bot forever, I'm just considering returning it before my 30-day return window closes, waiting a year or so, then picking it up again once the community has developed more and I'm more experienced in tuning.

If you'd like me to give it another shot, I'd love to get your recommendations on settings to aim for. I'm playing a Gretsch Catalina Maple 6"x14" snare with an Evans Power Center Reverse Dot batter head, Evans Hazy 300 resonant head, and PureSound Blaster Series 20-strand snare wires.
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Bare in mind here that each drum's sweet spot is different. One guy's 6 x 14 steel shell will sing at a very different pitch to the other guy's 5 x 13 birch shell.

With the TB I think you're better off getting the head to around about the pitch range you want and then using the device to clear/match the lugs. Then you can have a constant to tune to (as far as pitch) and it should be where you want it. If you aren't yet in the sweet spot you then go up or down to find it. Once you have it you will have a precise and repeatable pitch to aim for.

If indeed there needs to be this work done already before it can used that way, then be the pioneer and explore your kit. If you do the work now and know the best pitches for your drums then in a few months time you'll be re-heading and tuning in no time!
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I got one from absolutemusic. Friendly guys and they did not mind shipping the unit to Malaysia!
Seriously? I also ordered from them and they sent me an email that the delivery of the first batch to them was delayed until April 23th...??
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Seriously? I also ordered from them and they sent me an email that the delivery of the first batch to them was delayed until April 23th...??
They had a batch earlier that sold out very quickly, I believe.
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I'm glad to elucidate! The main thing the Drum Dial has above the Tune-Bot isn't related to the products at all - it's the community. The Drum Dial has been around longer, and a quick search turned up a lot of different values that people have tried, even customized down to the head and the kit type. For the Tune-Bot, this thread right here is the most informative one I've found, and there seems to be much less agreement on the right way to tune a set of drums with the Tune-Bot. That consensus will be built organically over time.
It's only been around a few months. What do you expect? I think we're building a community here.

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Have you read this entire post? There's also another one in the gear section. The TB does 1 thing. Measures your notes and frequencies (that actually might be 2 things there). Get all your lugs at the same frequency or note, then I believe your head is in tune. You will need to go tighter or looser for your own preferences. It's pretty straight forward in regards to tuning. You need to do the homework to find out which notes are best. I don't think I've spent 10 hours total on mine. I'd never use this thing if it took me 8 hours to tune my kit.

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If you'd like me to give it another shot, I'd love to get your recommendations on settings to aim for. I'm playing a Gretsch Catalina Maple 6"x14" snare with an Evans Power Center Reverse Dot batter head, Evans Hazy 300 resonant head, and PureSound Blaster Series 20-strand snare wires.
Frankly, I'm not a shareholder or owner, so it doesn't matter to me. I'm just here to offer a few tidbits. Find out what notes others tune their snares to. There are people here on this forum that do tune to notes. Check google. I hover around the G to G# range on my snares. Howevery, they vary from 14x5.5 maples to 6.5 COB. I have a 14x5.5 DW Collectors Maple @ C#. Every drum is different.
IMO, this device gives you a fighting chance at tuning your drums if you do the homework.

As long as my battary is charged, I can tune it fast. I would have never said this last month.

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They had a batch earlier that sold out very quickly, I believe.
I see, thanks.

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There are people here on this forum that do tune to notes. Check google. I hover around the G to G# range on my snares. Howevery, they vary from 14x5.5 maples to 6.5 COB. I have a 14x5.5 DW Collectors Maple @ C#.
I've just been getting into tuning to notes so I'm not expert at all. I have a Mapex Blaster 13x7 at 4A and a Ludwig Black Magic 14x6,5 at 4B. As BigDinSD says, it depends if you want a tighter sound or a fatter backbeat.
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I'm newer to tuning my kit to Notes so the following webpage helped. Using that chart and the Note Frequency Chart supplied with the Tune-Bot I have been able to tune my kit to have each size drum harmonically compliment the other. Be sure to read the paragraphs below the chart for an explanation to your question.

http://www.sticksandstaves.com/index.php?id=14


Hey all, just wanted to refresh this great post from Mike. It was posted in the early days of the TB hitting the forum (last month). Also great info below the chart...

You "note" takers, have a look at the chart. It's a great learning tool for notes on your kit. I noticed all my snares but one, are right in the G-G# range. The pesky DW 14x5.5 Collectors is in the C# range. Just seems to sing better there. Your mileage will vary depending on the heads you put on....
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Hey all, just wanted to refresh this great post from Mike. It was posted in the early days of the TB hitting the forum (last month). Also great info below the chart...

You "note" takers, have a look at the chart. It's a great learning tool for notes on your kit. I noticed all my snares but one, are right in the G-G# range. The pesky DW 14x5.5 Collectors is in the C# range. Just seems to sing better there. Your mileage will vary depending on the heads you put on....
Thanks Big.

Though, with use, I've gotten much faster at tuning up my entire kit, there is, as with any other product your not familiar with, a learning curve. As usual, the more you use anything the more you understand it and better you get at using it to achieve quicker and more accurate results.

The TB is NOT a quick tuner, at first. It does take developing an accurate and consistant tapping skill that can be carried from one lug to the next in order to get the most precise readings. Also, it's very important with use to get a feel for what the head Hz should approximately be for a given point in tension. In other words, If I give the lugs on my 14" Floor Tom two turns each and I tap the head and the TB shows a 250Hz reading I should know thats obviously an Overtone reading not a Fundamental Hz reading. It's very important to be able to distinguish the two 'before' turning on Filter mode. Using the Filter makes for much quicker and more accurate readings.

Also, I have the newer 'Digital' Drum Dial and I like it. I don't think it's as precise as the TB can be but it still comes in handy. Specifically, since you must strike the drum head at each lug to get HZ and in the middle to get the Note, I noticed when tuning to the higher frequencies such as tuning my Snare to a B or tuning my 10" Tom to an F I have found that at those high frequencies I have to strike to head rather sharply and when tuning the resonant side the typically thin reso head can be easily dented. So I tune the batter side up first, get the most accurate DD reading I can and then use those same DD readings on the reso head. This is only done at those high tension upper Hz times for the reso only.

Admittedly, it took several hours to run each Tom and the Snare through each of it's Note ranges to find at which Note it best resonated at but now that it's done I can change heads and quickly tune right to that Note and know I've nailed that particular drums best sound and the kit as a whole is harmonically tuned. Pretty cool.

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I am general against these things but decided to open my mind and try it out....so I ordered one basically out of curiosity

I want to see how far these devices have come since the old "Drum Dial" which was the last one I had and basically threw it against the wall

can you guys who have had it for a bit give me a sort of cliffs notes on how I should approach using it so I dont have to sift through this whole thread?

it would be much appreciated

Ive watched all the videos and they make it seem very complex while telling me how easy it is to use out of the other side of their mouth
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I am general against these things but decided to open my mind and try it out....so I ordered one basically out of curiosity

I want to see how far these devices have come since the old "Drum Dial" which was the last one I had and basically threw it against the wall

can you guys who have had it for a bit give me a sort of cliffs notes on how I should approach using it so I dont have to sift through this whole thread?

it would be much appreciated

Ive watched all the videos and they make it seem very complex while telling me how easy it is to use out of the other side of their mouth
I sold my DD for close to my purchase price. I started typing some notes for you but remembered the quick notes from the website below:

http://www.tune-bot.com/howtouse.html

The video is also helpful. The one thing that people get screwed up on is when the notes jump to extreme levels. Be sure to hit "filter" after you hit the lug reading that fits your sweet spot. On occassion, I've moved my device to another area. Really an amazing device for the tuning troubled like me. I can smack out a tune drum pretty quick nowadays. Would have never said that a month ago.

It takes practice though and a little bit of patience.
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I sold my DD for close to my purchase price. I started typing some notes for you but remembered the quick notes from the website below:

http://www.tune-bot.com/howtouse.html

The video is also helpful. The one thing that people get screwed up on is when the notes jump to extreme levels. Be sure to hit "filter" after you hit the lug reading that fits your sweet spot. On occassion, I've moved my device to another area. Really an amazing device for the tuning troubled like me. I can smack out a tune drum pretty quick nowadays. Would have never said that a month ago.

It takes practice though and a little bit of patience.
thank you brother

I appreciate that

mine should be here in a day or two

kinda excited to get at it
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