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Old 10-24-2010, 11:39 PM
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Bo made a comment in his brave thread about him not being a very good dancer, and it got me wondering.... Say in the general population of 1000 ordinary people there were (pick a number) 30% of really good dancers, would 1000 drummers have the same percentage of really good dancers?

My first thought is no, it would be way less, but what do I know? That's why I'm asking.

I'm not a good dancer either. (that doesn't stop me, even though it really should) my drumming/dance ratio is like 100/1

So how do your dancing moves compare to your drumming skills?
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:41 PM
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So how do your dancing moves compare to your drumming skills?
Simply put, they don't.
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:53 PM
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I wonder what Polly/Malti/Beastdrummagirl/Monica McCoy/Geri Attrique and the rest of our female contingent have to say about this...

If they are dance-challenged then that's all I need to know.
Women are naturally better dancers than men, IMO.
If our female bretheren are under average in the dancing department then the proof is in that drumming robs areas in the brain that control dancing in order to build the areas of the brain that control drumming. That's my thought for the day.

And don't mention Buddy Rich. The man can't be considered human. We're talking humans here.
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:08 AM
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Well a "good dancer" is very subjective but I'll tell you one thing, I know how to move with the beat!
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:48 AM
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I can't dance hardly at all. And that bums my wife out, because she loves to dance.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:46 AM
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No dancing here... I would look like the proverbial guy with two left feet... heck. I'm so clumsy I fall UP the stairs all the time!

I have no idea why I can play the drums.
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Old 10-25-2010, 02:20 AM
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Actually I'm a pretty good dancer. I started dancing when I was just a little kid, music always made me dance, still does.

You know I haven't danced with a girl in...believe or not, I haven't danced with a girl in close to thirty years.

These days I'm restricted to dancing with women. There's a big difference!
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Old 10-25-2010, 02:54 AM
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I've always wondered about this Larry. I would consider myself to be a decent dancer and figured it had some correlation to me having an inclination towards drumming. I always thought if you could dance then you certainly would be ahead of the game if you started playing drums. I also thought that if you were a good drummer and had the brain connections to your limbs that you would naturally be a good dancer. Obviously I'm wrong considering some of the replies already.

Come to think of it, as my drumming improves I don't know if my dancing is improving.

I will be dancing next weekend for sure.
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Old 10-25-2010, 03:11 AM
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I do think that playing in a band during your teens and 20s is bad for your dancing skills unless you focus on dancing. I always made the music while others danced.
When I went to see bands it was often too crowded to dance so everyone just kind of jiggled.

So, probably like most people here, I have rhythm but no grace so I never felt comfortable with dancing as a courtship ritual. If you can't give 'em the sexy goodies on the floor, then you're better off sitting down and talking ...
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Old 10-25-2010, 04:10 AM
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I'm mentioned in a thread! That's a first!

If I could learn how to dance (my wife loves to dance), then I'd be that much closer to being like James Bond. That guy could do everything. Then of course, I'd have to be able to fly planes, jump out of them, surf, ski, run a mile in under 4-minutes, and be really good with guns. My Omega watch would actually have hi-tech things in it to help me out in a jam. It'd be awesome.

But since I can't get past the dancing part, I'm screwed.
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Old 10-25-2010, 04:55 AM
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Larry, if your drum to dance ratio is 100/1 you're probably a better dance than I. sure, I have rhythm, but the dance floor isn't the place for me to show it. I just don't know what I'm doing when it comes to dancing.
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Old 10-25-2010, 07:15 AM
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Out of 10 drummers, so far 7 admit to not be so hot at dancing. That 30% guess thing is freaking me out.
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Old 10-25-2010, 07:16 AM
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So how do your dancing moves compare to your drumming skills?
I remember a girl telling me "you dance like a drummer". She knew I played drums, but I knew from her laugh that it wasn't meant as a compliment.
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I just don't know what I'm doing when it comes to dancing.
Ditto. The only move I know is The Snorkel from the 60s and I dare not do it ...
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Old 10-25-2010, 08:24 AM
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I'm mentioned in a thread! That's a first!
Actually, you've been mentioned in thousands, just most of them are deleated before you get to see them, lol!

Dancing, me, nah, but I'm lucky, my wife doesn't dance either, & she plays sax. You'd think a sax chick would be good at the gyrating stuff, wouldn't you?

I'm told I can muster a good "dad shuffle".

I think dancing probably has more to do with the exhibitionist side of our character than exclusively rhythm. Might be interesting to note if the DW exponents of simple groove are the crap dancers, whilst the flash guys are good to boogie?
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:15 AM
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I can move to the beat quite well and due to the large latin presence in my town I'm pretty good at faking salsa and meringue. I get the odd compliment now and then but that's more due to my enthusiasm than do to my sweet dance moves. Just like others have said before in this thread, I've got rhythm bu lack grace.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:59 PM
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"So, how do your dancing moves compare to your drumming skills?"

Born in Rock Falls, Ill. (where a three-day event was held in observance of his 80th), Bellson started out as a tap dancer at age 12 before switching to drums. While still a teen, he hit on an innovative concept that would alter his approach to drumming and have repercussions for generations of drummers to come. "Back in 1938 when I was in high school," Bellson says, "my mechanical drawing teacher saw me making this rough sketch of a double-bass drum kit, and he said, 'What is that?' I told him, 'It's a new style of drum set' and he said if I would make a drawing of it he would pass me. When I did the final drawing and showed it to him he said, 'This is great,' and encouraged me to send it to several drum companies, which I later did. And they all said I was crazy. One company said, 'Why don't you join Buck Rogers and go to the moon? Forget about it!'"

Being a good tap dancer seemed to only help Louis Bellson as seen in this autobiography here. Being a dancer helped his footwork which led to his idea of using two bass drums early on. Funny that a drum company told him to get lost. The rest as we know is history. On a personal note though, my wife and I used to go out on weekends and it was usually discos and such but we had a great time and I learned a few moves from her as her mom and sister were professional dancers for a while. For the longest, I found myself moving on my throne as I play but I have ZERO interest in doing anything on the dance floor anymore. I may take my wife out again in the future as she loves to dance but I find it a real PITA so I'll continue to put it off as long as possible ;) ! BTW...can anybody here actually sit through an entire hour or two of Dancing With the Stars? My wife's mom comes over to watch that crapfest every week and I retire to the mancave...kill me now.
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Old 10-25-2010, 03:02 PM
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i'm kind of in the same boat with larry. i'm not a very good dancer, and i shouldn't dance. i'm an embarrassment to myself and everyone around me, but i do it anyway.
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Old 10-25-2010, 03:21 PM
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I'm told I can muster a good "dad shuffle".
Imagine it's quite similar, my "happy dance"; the extent of my rug-cutting.

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I've been told i'm a good dancer, but I don't think i am. Im self conscience about it. I guess it depends on how many beers i have in me!
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I've always wondered about this Larry. I would consider myself to be a decent dancer and figured it had some correlation to me having an inclination towards drumming. I always thought if you could dance then you certainly would be ahead of the game if you started playing drums. I also thought that if you were a good drummer and had the brain connections to your limbs that you would naturally be a good dancer. Obviously I'm wrong considering some of the replies already.

Come to think of it, as my drumming improves I don't know if my dancing is improving.

I will be dancing next weekend for sure.
That pretty much sums up my thoughts on the subject. Coordination, limb independence. the ability to keep time are all important in dancing as well. That's why I'm a little surprised with the answers here. For those who think they have two left feet: I bet if you spent as much time dancing as drumming you might be surprised. I'm not suggesting that you do that, I'm simply suggesting that the talent and ability might be there yet it remains untapped.
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Old 10-25-2010, 05:32 PM
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Larry, are we talking before or after 3 cocktails?

Actually, I don't think the percentage of drummers who make good dancers would be all that high these days.

In eras of the past (like the swing era for example) drummers tended to play the music people danced to, and vise versa.

In the 40's that verged off with bebop, but into the 50's and 60's era of early rock n roll, it was still drummers playing the music kids danced to, and kids dancing to the bands drummers were in.

But then disco came in the 70's, and dance music and drumming music started to fork off, and by mid/end of the 80's, and seemed to be become completely separate from each other. Most dance music became more about "thump thump" and increasing computer based, while drumming went off into metal, prog, punk, and everything else.

Although, to an extent, one might consider slam dancing, moshing and head banging a form of "dance" but probably not in the context of this thread.

Of course, with some guys (like Jojo Mayer among others) replicating electronic music with acoustic drums, there is some re-connect, but overall, that's a small niche in the overall music world. So unless you're doing some sort of past era or traditional music, I don't know how many drummers are connected to dancing.
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Old 10-25-2010, 05:35 PM
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Yea dancing...speaking from a male POV...is risky. It's easy to go on the floor and make any woman in the room want to avoid you like a bad habit, so guys tend to play it safe, and just kinda stand there and kinda sorta move...but not really go for it.

Women on the other hand don't seem to suffer from that issue, it is much easier it seems (to me at least) for them to get out there and shake their hips. It's a social thing. If guys didn't have to "be masculine" and had nothing to risk/lose socially, then things might be different. But considering the thousands of years of male social conditioning, most men are ultra conservative on the floor.

Malti raises a good point about if we spent more time dancing, we'd be better at it.
She's probably right about that. But at the same time, if women spent more time, I don't know, fixing cars, they would be better at that too. But what percentage of women want to fix cars? What percentage of men really WANT to dance?

Low numbers I'm guessing. Most men shy away from things they aren't good at in favor of things we are good at. If you bravely try to "go for it" and end up looking stupid, you were probably better off not trying. On the other hand, it may work for you, but it's a big social risk.

And DED, before or after 3 cocktails, either/or. Your skills don't improve w/alcohol, just your willingness to display them is affected. Same risk. Different perception (yours)
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Old 10-25-2010, 05:50 PM
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And DED, before or after 3 cocktails, either/or. Your skills don't improve w/alcohol, just your willingness to display them is affected. Same risk. Different perception (yours)
Yeah, that past was supposed to be a joke.
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I have a group of friends who go swing dancing. My brother and I are the "gurus" of the crew. I don't consider myself excellent, but I am competent, and for the most part, the ladies seem to enjoy dancing with me. My drumming and musicianship has influenced my dancing. When I first learned I struggled because I had an internal need to land on the "one" each phrase.

I think having strong internal time can inhibit you from allowing yourself to make mistakes when starting out, and for some people keep them from trying to get better.

But also, having an understanding or more complex connection to music than the average person can enhance your dancing skills and style.
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Old 10-25-2010, 07:52 PM
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When I first learned I struggled because I had an internal need to land on the "one" each phrase.

I think having strong internal time can inhibit you from allowing yourself to make mistakes when starting out, and for some people keep them from trying to get better.
I think you might have hit the nail on the head. Maybe drummers are too structured and were too mathematical/ = mechanical = awkward!
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Most of my music likes during my teen years had to do with "if you can't dance to it what good was it" I'll bet if the ones that say they can't dance took as many lessons and practiced or danced rather than drum they would be good. they have to have the rhythm to drum so they will have it to dance. Part of my curriculum in college was a Rhythmic analysis class and a social dance class where I learned most of the social dances. Waltz, cha cha, lindy or jitter bug etc. I haven't done them in years but guess if I put down the sticks and practiced an hour a day I would be OK again.
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Grunter---if you "put down the sticks and practiced for an hour a day" would we want to see the end result? I wouldn't have a clue as to how to perform the dances you mentioned.
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My drumming and musicianship has influenced my dancing. When I first learned I struggled because I had an internal need to land on the "one" each phrase.

I think having strong internal time can inhibit you from allowing yourself to make mistakes when starting out, and for some people keep them from trying to get better.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Drummers are very mathematical and mechanical in nature, I could see how we would try to land on the one with dance moves and mess things up, hence some of us look like a car wreck on the dance floor.
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