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Old 06-05-2010, 06:13 PM
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Default Kieran Gaffney, Britain's Got Talent

After seeing this last night I would be fascinated to know what you all thought of this performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lgneTHzhcE

I won't tell you what I thought yet, I want to see if your opinions differ from mine first.
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what age is he, 13? I think that ehs pretty good for his age, he has very good presence. If you want to be a real art critic about this stuff, then all he did was singles, but in whole it was a good performance, and it's the stuff that an audience that watches these shows wants. There were some nice hi hat things at the start that i wouldn't have thought he could do, but as a whole, bit repetative but good.

I don't think he should win it though,i havn't seen any other contestants, but normally there are a few really good singers and that. So for his age, great, but in a competition like this, not the best by far. But I can see him being the new teeny bopper idol in a few years, kind of they way teenagers think of travis barker. Good drummer, but not a god like they think, thats this guys appeal i think. What did you think?
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Nice energy.Hate the song,if thats what you want to call it.Almost sounded like there was some looping ???? I think hes got a lot of upside,... If he Keeps working at it,the sky is the limit.....
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I think its good for him, but not for drumming as an art ( i know, quite boring) but think about it. You had a saxaphone player on a while back who was ver very good, all the singers and dancers are brilliant, and then the drummer can play fast singles and he gets as far as he does. Yes its good for him, but I don't think its good for drumming as a whole at all, when kids see that they will think, " hey, so that must be the apex so!, I can do that!"

what would really help drumming is if there was a guy who is a bit more experienced maybe 19 or 20, who has gotten into diferent styles, this guy ( although young ) only plays the one thing, get a guy playing afro-cuban one week and drum n bass the next, that will show the audience!

But again, people who can play like that probably wouldn't want to go on a show like this you know? Its good for singers and that, but instrumentalists that don't play melodic instruments...? Don't know, I'm not bashing this particular drummer, but he doesn't exactly hold the flag up for the rest of us you know. Again though, only 13 and probably doing it for a laugh
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Never,never,ever quench a smoldering ember. The kid is no Buddy Rich right now, but who's to say he won't ever be? If that were my child, I'd do anything I could to encourage him to be his best. Lots of talent there for his age. In just a couple of short years he could be dangerously good. If he sees this thread, let him know how much his act was appreciated last night. Kudos to the young guy for stepping up.
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I hope i dont spoil it for anyone

kieran came 3rd in tonights final after performing wipeout (by the sufaris). Good for him and im glad the public got behind someone who isnt a dancer or a singer for a change -even if he isnt a pro just yet -lets give him a few years and i think he will be awesome. He gave a really good performance

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he may be good for how long hes been learning

but be named as the 3rd best talent in that competition is beyond me

i really hate bashing drummers when i dont really know anything about him

it just annoys me how playing like that could get so far compared to some of the other people in that competition

i really agree with bosphorus on this one
but what would the audience think of a 19-20 year old drummer playing complex grooves/patterns or just holding down a solid groove, if it wasn't quite as "flashy" as this but much more technical?

again, sorry for this post
this just really got to me :P

also, i hardly heard him using the kick pedal^^
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From a purely technical standpoint I was disappointed. I don't know if his age should let him off on that, I'm sure most of us have seen the videos of Tony Royster Jr and Jacob Armen and know that very young people can play with the highest precision, feel. All I saw was enthusiasm, which is essential when coupled with style, but in my view there wasn't much of that. Though he stayed with the click his microtiming was poor (listen to where the bass drum hits fall in relation to everything else), his single strokes were very uneven, and the whole was nothing you couldn't find duplicated many thousands of times over in young bands across the world, goodness knows I've seen a few of them. To me it seems inappropriate that he is so lauded considering his actual ability in real terms. He may indeed prove to be an excellent drummer, even an exceptional one, but at this point he is anything but exceptional, and I don't understand why he has been given this much attention.
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Whenever I see arms flailing around like this.....I know I'm not going to like it. There is no texture, no dynamics. I don't care what his age.....mediocre at best.
PS.....bet I can guess what Simon had to say.....
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Drummer's basically need other instrumentalists to complement (not trying to doom drummers to backbeat playing), this is nothing amazing...

...I was learning wipeout when I was playing drums for one and a half years...

...he isn't going to win the competition, this isn't Britain's Got Talent material, not marketable...simply in the nature of the instrument, not typically a lead instrument.
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Drummer's basically need other instrumentalists to complement (not trying to doom drummers to backbeat playing), this is nothing amazing...

...I was learning wipeout when I was playing drums for one and a half years...

...he isn't going to win the competition, this isn't Britain's Got Talent material, not marketable...simply in the nature of the instrument, not typically a lead instrument.
well, look at some of the really good guys, it can be a solo instrument, but rarely playing to a backing track, the only guys i have seen do that good are guys like aaron spears and jojo mayer, oh, dave weckl
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I see it so totally differently to you guys. A kid age thirteen, playing for two years ... walks on a huge stage in front of a large audience and under TV cameras - under the scrutiny of millions. No chance to warm up into the gig and instead has to lay it out in one song - and while being tilted at angles.

AMAZING!!

The kid has a ton of talent and a brilliant temperament.
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I'm sure drums have the potential to work in an act like this, but not this performance. If an 18-year-old had got up and played like that he would have been laughed off the stage.
It is obviously not about what he did but his age and the story behind his being there. This program should be called 'Britain's Got Somebody Who's Only Young/Too Old But Tries Really Really Hard, Please Let Simon Help Them Because After All They've Got No Chance On Their Own, Have They?'.

BGSWOY/TOBTRRHPLSHTBAATGNCOTOHT? Yes, that's got a nice ring to it.
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PQ, it's about talent and the boy has heaps of the stuff.
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From a career point of view, seems to me appearing on this abomination of a TV show is not a good move. Fact is, real talent understands the concept of 'no shortcuts' and will work at their craft, never expecting glory. Susan Boyle isn't particularly talented, her ugliness provided SImon Cowell with an edge to exploit. To early to tell with this drummer - whether he'll develop into a musician will have to be seen, chances are he was only looking for 5 minutes of fame.
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From a career point of view, seems to me appearing on this abomination of a TV show is not a good move.
I sincerely hope history proves you correct, Crusher. Unfortunately in the current age, it seems that "15 minutes to stardom" has become the new Top 40 or American Bandstand or Countdown or Top of the Pops.......there's a whole 'nother generation that think talent is born via a 12 week contest and several thousand internet votes, rather than through years of dedication and application.

I like to think you are correct in your "real talent understands the concept of 'no shortcuts' and will work at their craft, never expecting glory." thoughts......it'd be nice to know that music won't always have to come packaged in a box....complete with ribbons and bows, courtesy of Simon Cowell.

As for the young fella in the vid....hats off to him. He can play just fine for a 13 year old and I hope he continues to do so.....regardless of the outcome of this ratings bonanza.

I guess that will be his true test.

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PQ, it's about talent and the boy has heaps of the stuff.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's doing perfectly well for his age and how long he's been playing, but he is not a prodigy, which is what he seems to be being treated as. Too much hype and exploitation at this point could damage his future prospects.
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I think he needs to let it bake another year or two before he gets on stage again. Sloppy.
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We have to remember that this show thrives by pandering to the dribbling masses who make up the viewing audience: they don't know, and don't particularly care what actual talent is, be it singing, dancing, illusion. It's about whether the contestant has either a cute factor, or a human interest story that has legs to run the course of the series.
The production staff cynically engineer the show to these ends. A 40 year old pro drummer may audition and sound better than Weckl - if he looks boring and has a boring life he won't get past the first audition. Mainstream entertainment is in a parlous state and ironically it's Simon Cowell's BS that is stopping real talent from emerging.
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Agree PQ, he's not technically a prodigy, but temperamentally he's exceptionally strong. In the hothouse arena of the pop world in which Simon Cowell is king, the kid's ability to perform under extraordinary pressure counts for a lot.

Add to that a ton of energy and passion, plus some truly excellent drummer faces ...
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Good look to the kid.

For a 13-year-old playing for two years he's not bad at all - and he's so enthusiastic.

Maybe more importantly, half the kids in my seven-year-old son's class now want to be drummers.
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I think this kid has given most drummers a valuable lesson in what it takes to be popular, & arguably, successful in the commercial sector. It clearly has very little to do with talent or ability, & firmly supports the view that being good at playing your chosen instrument is utterly separate to the subject of "making it". Now that's really depressing, but it's reality.
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I'd hate to be judged on my playing before I had a chance to warm up. How some little punk who's been playing for five minutes could just wander in and go hell for leather like that in such a hothouse situation ... now THAT's depressing!

Whatever it is that the lad has, I would really like it bottled ...
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I'd hate to be judged on my playing before I had a chance to warm up. How some little punk who's been playing for five minutes could just wander in and go hell for leather like that in such a hothouse situation ... now THAT's depressing!

Whatever it is that the lad has, I would really like it bottled ...
Well, I still can remember what it was like to play live in front of thousands people when I was 11 years old. And ignorance was bliss back then. I would crap my pants in similar situations I was in back then. So I'm not sure if we should give him the exact same credit as older people in similar situations. I have seen better 'prodigys'. I have seen better playing and I have seen cuter kids. So I'm not sure why this kid is so special. As I have no kids of my own I find it annoying that we should somehow give more artistic value to him just because he's young. The song was bad, the playing mediocre. That said, in a few years I think he's going to be great! He certanly has the motivation and I think he now has the 'network'.
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Well, I still can remember what it was like to play live in front of thousands people when I was 11 years old. And ignorance was bliss back then. I would crap my pants in similar situations I was in back then. So I'm not sure if we should give him the exact same credit as older people in similar situations. I have seen better 'prodigys'. I have seen better playing and I have seen cuter kids. So I'm not sure why this kid is so special. As I have no kids of my own I find it annoying that we should somehow give more artistic value to him just because he's young. The song was bad, the playing mediocre. That said, in a few years I think he's going to be great! He certanly has the motivation and I think he now has the 'network'.
Fair point re: the fearlessness of youth, JP. Even though I have zero aspirations I'd probably be jello in that situation. Just the weirdness of it all ...

As for why he should get all the credit ... the usual reason ... right place, right time. If a killer drummer had been successful the previous season then the novelty wouldn't be there.

It's all about the story ... triumph against the odds ... young kid makes good ... plain middle-aged woman with surprisingly lovely voice ... people respond to a clear and simple story, preferably something they can relate to or feel inspired by.

Do you have heaps of talent and an oblique or complex story? Then the chances are that audiences will really appreciate your efforts in the small bars you'll be playing at. Brains and talent do not = popular. Anyone with brains and talent who is disappointed that less bright and skilled people resonate more with the many needs to check their perspective or they will live with a lot of aggreavation.

If you're a fine artist in it for the creativity, then the chances are that you're not going to be as lauded as popular artists ... until after you're dead, anyway.
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Fair point re: the fearlessness of youth, JP. Even though I have zero aspirations I'd probably be jello in that situation. Just the weirdness of it all ...

As for why he should get all the credit ... the usual reason ... right place, right time. If a killer drummer had been successful the previous season then the novelty wouldn't be there.

It's all about the story ... triumph against the odds ... young kid makes good ... plain middle-aged woman with surprisingly lovely voice ... people respond to a clear and simple story, preferably something they can relate to or feel inspired by.

Do you have heaps of talent and an oblique or complex story? Then the chances are that audiences will really appreciate your efforts in the small bars you'll be playing at. Brains and talent do not = popular. Anyone with brains and talent who is disappointed that less bright and skilled people resonate more with the many needs to check their perspective or they will live with a lot of aggreavation.

If you're a fine artist in it for the creativity, then the chances are that you're not going to be as lauded as popular artists ... until after you're dead, anyway.
I know what the reality is, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. =) Nothing changes if we just use all our time describing what is happening and don't have any opinions about it.
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I'd hate to be judged on my playing before I had a chance to warm up. How some little punk who's been playing for five minutes could just wander in and go hell for leather like that in such a hothouse situation ... now THAT's depressing!

Whatever it is that the lad has, I would really like it bottled ...
well, nobody know if he warmed up or not, the odds are that he did
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well, nobody know if he warmed up or not, the odds are that he did
In my experience, warming up offstage isn't even remotely the same as warming up on stage. You can warm up your body but it takes time to warm up to a situation.


JP, I know what you mean. I used to get miffed about that stuff but I've mellowed over the years. Maybe I've become desensitised to injustice through overexposure, or it's possible I simply don't have the energy for outrage any more ...
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