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Old 04-19-2010, 02:28 PM
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I really like the big deep toms! Don't understand the hate?

The ones that really bug me are the ones that are like 12 x 8 - they look like weird snare drums. I'm a fan of the bigger beefier tom. My rack tom is 14x12 - Sort of Bonham esque


oh and I remember seeing some old Nirvana videos where their original drummer had bent toms like this:


I think they were called staccato drums...
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Drum machines are cool gadgets and fun to play with but they have been sooo abused.

The worst idea of drumming is the overuse and abuse of drum machines.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:17 PM
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I agree with you completely. The single most common topic in the gear and technique threads is double bass pedals, and double bass has the least use. In most genres, other band members just get really annoyed at 16th notes on the bass. It has extremely limited uses.
Well things are only as limiting as you make them. I use double bass in a lot of music that isn't necessarily rock or metal. It depends when you use it and how you use it. I love using two feet for patterns, the rhythm combinations are endless.

I think stand alone floor toms are better than suspended ones I hate how floor toms wobble when mounted to a stand. So that is a plus one for me.

The dualist is a good tool for people who who don't mind playing doubles with one foot but for me personally I hate the idea.

Stock no name cymbals that usually come with a budget kit are a travesty I think you'd be better off hitting a dust bin lid personally.

As much as I like Nylon tip sticks for the ride cymbal, I think they are pointless, almost all of these types of sticks I have owned, the tip has flown off at a gig and I don't play hard compared to a lot of people. There are exceptions though and some last a lot longer than others so I wouldn't say they were a big mistake.

Worst one for me is hi hat stands where the legs don't rotate, because i'm a double pedal user this really is a pain for me.
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:00 PM
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I agree with you completely. The single most common topic in the gear and technique threads is double bass pedals, and double bass has the least use. In most genres, other band members just get really annoyed at 16th notes on the bass. It has extremely limited uses.
I don't know what genres you listen to, but if you took the double kick out of drumming then roughly 85% of my mp3 collection would sound very, very dull.

Double kicks have little use in many genres, but in others (death, black, grind, thrash metal) it's positively crucial.
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Agreed with this!



There's one at my local drum shop, and it's been sitting there for years. It always catches people's eyes, but when they try it out, they laugh and move on.
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The problem I have always had with "power toms" is one of positioning. I had a 1988 Ludwig kit with "power toms" and a 22 inch BD. If you want to know why people played with ridiculous angles on the toms back then, try correctly positioning a power tom without gouging the heck out of your bass drum.
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Power toms, concert toms, dead bass drums, open bass drums, piccolo snares, 12" snares, etc - that stuff to me is a constant cycling of what's in and out of fashion. Concert toms were almost the most un-hip thing imaginable in the early-mid 90s but now I'm seeing them more frequently. I think this stuff is just a constant cycle of rediscovery every 20-30 years.

No, the dumb stuff to me is almost always of the "gadget" variety which seems like to the bottom of ideas that solve problems no one had.

My favorite in that category remains the Stick Flip - because apparently your arm and wrist just aren't up to the task of tossing sticks?
I've got a 12" x 7" Brady, this size was also used for "love shack" and U2, through out the eightys. And I think they all sound just sooper.
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Old 04-19-2010, 05:43 PM
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The problem I have always had with "power toms" is one of positioning. I had a 1988 Ludwig kit with "power toms" and a 22 inch BD. If you want to know why people played with ridiculous angles on the toms back then, try correctly positioning a power tom without gouging the heck out of your bass drum.
That's how I mean it, too. As great as it'd be to have all that depth, I cannot imagine trying to get those things at a comfortable position. It's why I like the new minimal-depth toms.
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Old 04-19-2010, 05:53 PM
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That's how I mean it, too. As great as it'd be to have all that depth, I cannot imagine trying to get those things at a comfortable position. It's why I like the new minimal-depth toms.
And even those can be tough to position well without resorting to excessive tom angles if you're "short" and have them mounted on the BD. Can't wait will my tom/cymbal stand gets here tomorrow.
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I'm surprised no one has said 'Meg White' yet...
Haha, I disagree, I think she's one of the better ideas.

But seriously, those triple pedals. I don't play anything that would warrant the use of a double pedal but I can see where some genres need it, but nothing warrants the use of a triple pedal...except someone with three legs.
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OOOH, cool thread. Off the top of my head- suspended floor toms. What the hell are those about!? I don't need 'em to ring that long, they bounce all over the place, I can't rest my sticks on them, and I need to attach them to a 70 pound cymbal stand so it doesn't tip over! Hate 'em, hate 'em, hate 'em.
What?!?!?!?!?!?!?! If you have a decent tom with a decent mount, they don't bounce all over the place. I mount mine on a lightweight stand with a thin crash on it and have no problem, and constantly rest my sticks on them. This may be the funniest post in a thread filled with them.
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I marched for years in the early seventies. We hardly ever broke heads and we used to torque the crap out of them! Why do you need Kevlar heads?
I guess somewhere along the line someone decided that higher always equals better, into infinity. It's the same philosophy that gave us the mullet- "I liked the way my hair looked when I first started growing it out in the back, therefore I'll like it even more if I let it grow even longer and eventually start cutting it short in front to exaggerate the effect."
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:01 PM
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Haha, I disagree, I think she's one of the better ideas.

But seriously, those triple pedals. I don't play anything that would warrant the use of a double pedal but I can see where some genres need it, but nothing warrants the use of a triple pedal...except someone with three legs.


For the record, I don't dislike Meg. I was just observing the fact that no one mentioned her. I know how popular 'Meg bashing' threads are on here.

(Sorry Polly!!!) :-)
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I disagree, I barely see drums that are deeper than wide at all!!
Feast your eyes:

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Old 04-19-2010, 09:54 PM
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imagine a car with 2 steering wheels
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that led to many deaths, and suspended licenses
leaving those people not driving due to crashing.
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isn't that the TYPICAL use, as opposed to the exceptional use ?
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I believe he was speaking in respect to toms and kit drums.
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Old 04-19-2010, 10:42 PM
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There's been some good ones, but I would say Zildjian with the double sided sticks. They have the mallet on one side and the stick on the other. It adds to weight displacement and it feels terrible.

Also, Vic Firth's drumsticks with the lights in them at the tip are pretty ridiculous as well.
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Rings that attach to your drum sticks so you can
twirl them. W.T.F!! If you some of you guys out there have a collection of modern drummer's from the 80s, look in the back at some of ads they have endless bad ideas.
hahahaha, that takes the cake.

Yeah, the 80's yielded some pretty terrible ideas, man.
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I believe he was speaking in respect to toms and kit drums.
He (as in Deathmetalconga) very obviously wasn't:
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"...throughout history and even today, most drums have been deeper than wide.
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How about those Fibes kits from the seventies that had concert toms that were shaped like an elbow with a flair at the mouth of what would have been the reso end!
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How about those Fibes kits from the seventies that had concert toms that were shaped like an elbow with a flair at the mouth of what would have been the reso end!
I believe they were called North Drums.
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The Simmons SDX. It did offer technology usually not associated with electronic drums at the time as well as multi-zone triggering, but they advertised it in Modern Drummer as if anyone could afford it. Here's a quote from wikipedia. Check out the price.

In 1987, after the SDS-9, Simmons decided to enter into the high-end professional market, and created the revolutionary but unsuccessful SDX. It introduced new features that were unheard of in other electronic drums, such as zone intelligence and pad layering. Some of these ideas were not revisited until nearly 15 years after the SDX. Zone Intelligence allowed for three samples to be put on a pad, for a more realistic sound. With pad layering, different sounds could be triggered via different strike velocities. The SDX was the first Simmons kit since the SDS-V to include cymbal sounds, with pads called "Symbals" which simulated the swaying motion of real cymbals with a swivel rod. The SDX also included a built-in sampler with a floppy disk drive as its method of storage. The SDX also introduced a new way of modifying sounds. Rather than knobs and switches, it featured a 9" monochrome screen with a GUI, similar to the early Mac OS. SDX OS allowed users to fully modify sounds with an easy-to-use interface. Sales of the SDX were limited due to its high price, costing around $10,154. Only about 280 kits were made, of which few remain.

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How about those Fibes kits from the seventies that had concert toms that were shaped like an elbow with a flair at the mouth of what would have been the reso end!
I remember those!

They were HIDEOUSLY ugly!
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The Simmons SDX. It did offer technology usually not associated with electronic drums at the time as well as multi-zone triggering, but they advertised it in Modern Drummer as if anyone could afford it. Here's a quote from wikipedia. Check out the price....costing around $10,154. Only about 280 kits were made, of which few remain.[/i]
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They were HIDEOUSLY ugly!
like the ones I posted above?
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like the ones I posted above?
Yup. Good find, Kev. I thought those things were super cool when they first came out lol. I don't mind a bit of ugliness if it's interesting - like bulldogs, for example :) The problem was that you needed much bigger cases than usual for them.

Funny that people here are more offended by messed up inventions to be played in real time than the gadgets that are squeezing us out.
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Sort of Bonham esque

oh and I remember seeing some old Nirvana videos where their original drummer had bent toms like this:
So Bonham and bent toms, hey? Enjoy!!

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So Bonham and bent toms, hey? Enjoy!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn3KUEMhOB0
whoa! where'd you find that? i played one of those kits a couple years ago. it actually didn't sound that bad!
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I think they were called staccato drums...
The poster gives it away just a bit. Yes, Staccato drums did seem like a stupid idea. They look wierd, almost impossible to get cases off the shelf, heavy, etc, etc. Believe it or not, in a small acoustic gig setting, they sounded great. Ok, the kick drum was a bit pointless, but the toms had real presence.
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whoa! where'd you find that? i played one of those kits a couple years ago. it actually didn't sound that bad!
Stumbled across it here on the forums somewhere when I first joined. I thought the post mentioning Bonham and that kit was timely enough to re-post it.
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Remo and their Acousta-whatever shells. Wood chips and glue??

I had a 1985 Encore kit.
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Remo and their Acousta-whatever shells. Wood chips and glue??

I had a 1985 Encore kit.
They figured "they make good shelves out of chipboard, let's make some drums out of it!"
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I cant be bothered to research, but that new electronic kit made my Pearl, with the finest balsa wood.
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Remo and their Acousta-whatever shells. Wood chips and glue??

I had a 1985 Encore kit.
Couldn't be any worse than wood veneers and glue (plywood)! Plywood is a wood composite material, just like particleboard (Acousticon). There's always someone else to look down on, I guess.

I have played Acousticon set a bit and it sounded great.
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I really like the big deep toms! Don't understand the hate?

The ones that really bug me are the ones that are like 12 x 8 - they look like weird snare drums. I'm a fan of the bigger beefier tom. My rack tom is 14x12 - Sort of Bonham esque.
Agreed. Deep drums give deep sound, shallow drums give shallow sound.
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I contend that you can get a perfectly usable sound with drums made out of anything strong enough to take the tension, assuming round shell, even bearing edges and great tuning. After all, heads are a major percentage of the sound, as proven by frame drums.
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I contend that you can get a perfectly usable sound with drums made out of anything strong enough to take the tension, assuming round shell, even bearing edges and great tuning. After all, heads are a major percentage of the sound, as proven by frame drums.
Agreed.

And a few products over the years have proven that. haha
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