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Old 01-23-2010, 04:14 PM
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He was asked what its like playing in a band with younger guys (He's 85 now.)
Hope that clears it up for you.
Ah ok, it's a nice quote then. =)
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Steve was asked during an interview once: What advice would you give a young musician trying to break into the music business?

.....and his reflection was: "Never pet a burning dog"

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Could someone please make me feel really stupid by explaining the meaning of Steve Gadds "never pet a burning dog" quote?
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maybe he meant play safe? If you want to make it it's not about flash, but bread and butter groove.....don't try and pet a burning dog because you will burn out aswell??? just my opinion!

or maybe only play with people that are better than you? if you play with those worse they will infect you aswell!!
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The more I think about it the more I think it was an attempt at humor, nothing to do with drumming whatsoever
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No worries! I will ask Steve about it, he usually crawls at the pub right next door....(;-)) for sure We will have a beer pint.
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It reminds me of an Alfred Hitchcock quote. When asked if he had any advice for young filmmakers, he responded:

"Stay out of jail."
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Translated: I'm not giving anything away, earn it like I did.
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Translated: I'm not giving anything away, earn it like I did.
Only in that moment. Steve seems like a nice guy (ask Ian :) and has been plenty generous with advice when talking about drumming. Ian's extra info shows that Steve was taking about the music biz in general.

If he's being at all serious (?) then he's saying the music biz these days is a burning (dying?) dog that will burn you and is best to avoid IMO. Here's Steve giving out the goodies:
The most important thing that the drummer has to do is keep everything solid, to lay down a groove for the others to play within. There are types of music where the arranger wants the rhythm to breath with the vocals, or the drummer is just an accompanist, but most commercial work is built on a groove set by the drummer.

Whatever I am playing, I try to begin by giving the minimum amount necessary to make the piece settle down while still contributing something to the music; then if people want more, I can give it. When you start out as simply as possible, you give the thing a chance to settle and you discover where the tune itself wants to be ...

Keeping everything tight and solid becomes especially important and difficult when a song moves from one section to the next. When you get to the bridge or the piece moves to another level of intensity there's a natural tendency for the time to speed up if you're not concentrating hard; and at the fade the piece usually starts burning and everyone gets excited so there is even more chance for the tempo to go wrong. ... using [click tracks] can help a drummer discover the natural tendencies in a piece.

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maybe he meant play safe? If you want to make it it's not about flash, but bread and butter groove.....don't try and pet a burning dog because you will burn out aswell??? just my opinion!

or maybe only play with people that are better than you? if you play with those worse they will infect you as well!!
LOL one of the great things about art and, especially abstraction - people can interpret things any way they like.

Was Macarthur Park about a dying relationship or young people dying from smack ODs? Was the "turn me on dead man" line in Revolution 9 meant to fan the flames of the Paul-is-dead rumour? Is the love in All You Need Is Love platonic, intimate, theistic or ...? Was All Along the Watchtower about the Counterculture coming to sweep away a hubristic Establishment?

Ambiguity is like a mirror and tells as much about us as it does about the artist or speaker.

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Very good, Polly.
This is becoming an interesting analysis about Steve's quote - I think the same as You, that he refers about "Show Business", being a rampant plunderer (my words), it gives and takes out of the musician - so watch it!
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Some more quotes about show / music business:

"There's no damn business like show business -- you have to smile to keep from throwing up.
Billie Holiday

"There's no business like show business, but there are several businesses like accounting."
David Letterman

"There's no doubt about it, show business lures the people who didn't get enough love, attention, or approval early in life and have grown up to become bottomless, gaping vessels of terrifying, abject need. Please laugh."
Dennis Miller

"Milton Berle is an inspiration to every young person that wants to get into show business. Hard work, perseverance, and discipline: all the things you need...when you have no talent."
Dean Martin

"Modern music is people who can't think signing artists who can't write songs to make records for people who can't hear."
Frank Zappa

"The hardest thing in the world to do in this business is start a band nobody's heard of."
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Old 01-25-2010, 01:06 AM
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"The drum is the most seductive musical instrument. Its rhythm reminds us of our beating heart. Its sound clears our mind. We let go of our rational self. Drumstick up - the heart flutters. Drumstick down - the mind awakens." - From the movie Zhan gu (The Drummer)
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maybe he meant play safe? If you want to make it it's not about flash, but bread and butter groove.....don't try and pet a burning dog because you will burn out aswell??? just my opinion!

or maybe only play with people that are better than you? if you play with those worse they will infect you aswell!!
I disagree, bread and butter + flashy flaming dog = excellent, one of kind toast.

Perhaps the phrase is incomplete.

He says: "Never pet a burning dog" omitting "bare handed" as it is implied common sense.

He lives: "Never pet a burning dog without buttered gloves made of bread"

Its a pretty tricky business to crack, that requires a little luck and a little insanity. All of that is summed up in this phrase.
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"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
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"When I speak of natural drummers I'm talking about guys that are playing with the talent God gave 'em." ~ Gene Krupa
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"People who don't take care of their drums really annoy me." - John Bonham

"If thine enemy wrong thee, buy each of his children a drum." - Old Chinese proverb

"Almost everything I've done, I've done through my own creativity. I don't think I ever had to listen to anyone else to learn how to play drums. I wish I could say that for about ten thousand other drummers." - Buddy Rich

"Never leave spontaneity to chance." - Neil Peart

"I don't like drum solos, to be honest with you, but if anybody ever told me he didn't like Buddy Rich I'd right away say go and see him, at least the once." - Charlie Watts

"You can't be everything. Nobody is everything. You just do what you do, and you try to do that as well as you can. And if somebody doesn't like it, too bad." - Vinnie Colaiuta
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"Sometimes you'd come up against a brick wall... or sometimes you go into a fill and you'd know halfway through it was going to be disastrous." - John Bonham :)
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[quote=Jeff Gordon #24;683519]"People who don't take care of their drums really annoy me." - John Bonham
Ok... i am in love w/ John's quote.... thats pretty much how every drummer feels but i think his quote is amazing :)
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"I'd rather play jazz, I hate rock and roll"

Ginger Baker

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Not really a quote but it was in his book Roadshow and i thought it was funny:
"Who died and made you Neil Peart?"
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"don't pray to ashes, pass on the fire"
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"A true master is full of compassion for those just starting out, for he knows the perils of the journey."
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"Take one stick away from a drummer and what do you get?....a director!"
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"When I play a theater, I play a theater." --Buddy Rich, on The Muppet Show, while playing a solo on various stage equipment.

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I was told by a friend/former teacher of mine that Peter Erskine said " A drummer should never go to a gig with an agenda" In other words, just go to make music..I like that..
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So I have the classic amateur's technique; I know some very tricky bits and I have large gaping holes. This amateurism however, can sometimes be helpful in forging a style; you have to work around your weaknesses.
Bill Bruford

I joined in '62, and we'd finished touring in '66 to go into the studio where we could hear each other... and create any fantasy that came out of anybody's brain.
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While youíre crashing you canít hear the vocal and you canít hear the guitar part, you know? I just always felt like the drums shouldnít take over the song.
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I don't really agree with that. I mean the second part yes, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't crash, because as a drummer you're the nearest to your crash, the audience hardly hears the crash as loud as the drummer (except over a loud PA of course).
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"Of course they're loud. They're drums!"
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ĎYou have to fight beyond it (self-doubt) and donít let it stand in the way of you being what you want to beí - David Garibaldi
It's easy to see great players like David G and think they never harboured a doubt about what they were doing in their life. As someone who's always been plagued with self-doubt and lack of confidence I find that quote especially inspiring. Thanks for posting, Ninja.
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Buddy also said he never practiced because he couldn't stand the sound of drums. LOL
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Buddy also said he never practiced because he couldn't stand the sound of drums. LOL
Haha....it makes sense for Bonzo to have said that too, the sound of gigantic tree trunks must get annoying
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"Any sound, if it's in time, has some value" -Benny Greb

one of my all time favorites.

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"don't pray to ashes, pass on the fire"
In light of many conversations that have taken place on this forum lately, that one has got to be my new favorite. I had to look up who said it: "Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire." - Gustav Mahler (Austrian late-Romantic composer, 1860-1911)

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So I have the classic amateur's technique; I know some very tricky bits and I have large gaping holes. This amateurism however, can sometimes be helpful in forging a style; you have to work around your weaknesses.
Bill Bruford
That one also resonates with me strongly. Love it!

And I'm going to slide this one in because it has been said that Any Rand based one of her characters (Howard Roark) on Frank Lloyd Wright, and everyone knows that Neil Peart likes Ayn Rand, so... twisted, I know, but this quote makes me laugh!

"A doctor can bury his mistakes, but an architect can only advise his client to plant vines." - Frank Lloyd Wright

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Wow, that Gustav Mahler quote is superb!

For accuracy's sake I'd say, "Tradition should not be the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire"
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For accuracy's sake I'd say, "Tradition should not be the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire"
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"When I speak of natural drummers I'm talking about guys that are playing with the talent God gave 'em." - Gene Krupa
"I could have played more complex stuff. I could have been a busier player. But that's not what I wanted to do. I played what I wanted to play."- Don Henly
"I remember in the early days when we played six nights a week for a month and I was doing my long drum solo every night. My hands were covered in blisters."- John Bonham
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"Let me hear you do a solo.............so low we can't. hear you" LOL

"& sing tenor.........10 or 15 blocks away from here" LOL

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"A good drummer can make a rubbish bin sound good." From Us.
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Steve was asked during an interview once: What advice would you give a young musician trying to break into the music business?

.....and his reflection was: "Never pet a burning dog"
The phrase probably predates Gadd. I believe it is military in it's origin. It means to not try to help something when it is already too late. Or to not ignore present danger and dive right into something.

It's sound advice like don't fry bacon naked.
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Who said,"If it dont swing, it dont mean a thing" or something to that effect?

I like that.
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You mean the lyrics of the tune by Duke Ellington?
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