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Old 03-21-2015, 11:01 PM
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So last night I show up at the venue my band is playing at. As soon as I get there I find out 2 things: Our set time has changed, and the club wants all the drummers to do a drum share. I go to talk to the sound guy to find out if the drum share thing is true. I ask him if I can use my kit. He proceeded to give me a huge attitude about it. My band is looking at me all freaked out cause this is a big club and our first time playing there. So I agree to do the drum share.

When its our time to play, we were forth up, I start walking to the stage with my throne. Some goofball had put his cup of beer on the floor in the hallway on the way to the stage. I did not see said beer. I boot it with my left foot and soak my left foot, shoe and leg with beer. Then I get on stage. This guys kit is nothing like mine. Its on a rack and everything is memory locked in place. I can barely move anything. Meanwhile one of the clubs stage hands is rushing me because the sound guy is a time natzi about starting and stopping set times.

I try to get things adjusted but its all jacked up. My parts in my bands songs are very orchestrated. So my fills and beats are pretty much written out note for note. As soon as we start playing I know its gonna suck. Throughout the whole set, which is only 30 minuets but feels like 2 hours, Im flailing around like a toy monkey trying to play my parts on this jacked up kit. I cant get to the ride bell cause its up underneath a crash. The other crash is to far away so evertime I swing for it I feel like Im gonna lose my stick. The rack tom is 8 feet deep and the kick is a 24. So the tom is a mile to the left of the kick cause I cant move it any closer without hitting the kick with it. The bass drum also felt like crap to play. The monitor mix was awful and I could not hear hardly anything besides the bass drum.

I played the worst I have ever played in my life on a gig. I was so embarrassed that I wanted to crawl under my drum throne. I could not even remotely play the parts I created on that kit. So Ive decided to always insist on using my own kit from now on no matter what.

I was fumming when I came off stage. But on the drive home I got more perspective on the situation. I realized that I cant let the sound guy, my band, or anybody else pressure me to do something I don't want to do again. I have to be comfortable while playing or Im just not going to play well. I consider this a big lesson learned. So at least that one good thing came out of this whole crappy situation.

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Old 03-21-2015, 11:54 PM
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Sorry mate...is this the only time you've ever gigged and had to use someone else's drum kit or a venue's back line ??

My advice for next time...if you need to, drop a song, and give yourself three or four minutes to adjust the cymbals, etc. and basically to compose yourself and get comfy.
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Old 03-22-2015, 12:09 AM
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If its a kit share.....Its a kit share, end of story, you have to make the best of it. I have not played my own kit for three months, nothing but rehearsal studios with supplied kits, I am getting good at playing odd, to me, configurations.

If you go onto the stage with the mindset that everything is wrong, it "will" be wrong. A lesson learned, possibly?
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Old 03-22-2015, 12:15 AM
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If its a kit share.....Its a kit share, end of story, you have to make the best of it. I have not played my own kit for three months, nothing but rehearsal studios with supplied kits, I am getting good at playing odd, to me, configurations.

If you go onto the stage with the mindset that everything is wrong, it "will" be wrong. A lesson learned, possibly?
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In my 3 years with the band I'm in...I'd say I've used my kit about one in every 5 gigs.

It's become the case that it's a luxury. I love using my own kit.
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Old 03-22-2015, 12:23 AM
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I'm sorry you had a horrible experience. I've never done a kit share but apparently it is more common than I realized. I wonder what I would be expected to do since I'm a left handed drummer.
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I'm sorry you had a horrible experience. I've never done a kit share but apparently it is more common than I realized. I wonder what I would be expected to do since I'm a left handed drummer.
Err...I'm not a leftie...

But a leftie did once use my kit for a charity gigathon.

He took my floor tom...and moved it over to the left.

The rack tom...he took off the left cymbal stand and connected it to the right...

You see where I'm going with this :-) :-)
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Old 03-22-2015, 01:16 AM
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I know this doesn't help Drummingman because he didn't know it was to be a kit share, but I've done a few and I always find out who's kit I'll be using and check it out - via the band website or Youtube - and familiarise myself with the configuration in advance.

I did once discover that a band we were opening for and who had offered a kit share, had a leftie drummer with leftie kit. No-one had thought to mention it. (I arranged to take my own and set it up in front of theirs: luckily the stage was big enough).
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I know what that feels like. I had a nightmare gig like that a long time ago. You get through it the best you can. Simplify your parts where possible. Insisting on using your drums in the future may not be realistic, unfortunately. Sometimes that fight is not worth the trouble or is just a non-starter.

Were there a few kits to choose from? 'Cause choosing the kit on a rack to share wasn't the best idea. When lots of drummers are sharing a kit it's best to go with a simple set with individual cymbal stands so everyone can get comfortable quickly. I played a gig on a provided Pearl Masters this week and it was a breeze to adjust. But that kit didn't belong to anyone so there was no one to bitch about me adjusting stuff.
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Old 03-22-2015, 02:07 AM
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I did this kit share thing a few times but I don't really like it. I enjoy playing my own instrument. So, I prefer not to play someone elses. So, that kind of share situation is way down my priority list. Instead, I choose to do what I do enjoy. But, thats just me...
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I used to loathe using backlined kits. Then I saw a drummer get up on a truly terrible shared kit and absolutely rip. The crappy kit didn't phase him a bit. He got up there and played beautifully.

That's when I realized that playing a backlined kit is all about confidence, the ability to make due with what you have, and flexibility. It's a skill just like anything else in music. A lot comes from attitude. If you think you're gonna have a crappy gig before you start playing, you probably will.

I look at backlined kits as a challenge and an opportunity now. The goal is to look and sound as comfortable as possible, no matter what the conditions are.

The problem is when you see the backlined kit as an obstacle. You're guaranteed to sound like crap.
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I used to loathe using backlined kits. Then I saw a drummer get up on a truly terrible shared kit and absolutely rip. The crappy kit didn't phase him a bit. He got up there and played beautifully.

That's when I realized that playing a backlined kit is all about confidence, the ability to make due with what you have, and flexibility. It's a skill just like anything else in music. A lot comes from attitude. If you think you're gonna have a crappy gig before you start playing, you probably will.

I look at backlined kits as a challenge and an opportunity now. The goal is to look and sound as comfortable as possible, no matter what the conditions are.

The problem is when you see the backlined kit as an obstacle. You're guaranteed to sound like crap.
I agree but it's not just about the quality of the kit but your ability to set it up comfortably that is the difference maker. We've all (or most) come across drummers who have everything at odd heights/angles and are sticklers about stuff being moved. Hard to have a stellar performance in those conditions.
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You should have kicked that beer all over the sound guy's rig. Oops; now he can't use his gear tonight and no one warned him.

This has inspired me to make a soundguy thread.
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I used to loathe using backlined kits. Then I saw a drummer get up on a truly terrible shared kit and absolutely rip. The crappy kit didn't phase him a bit. He got up there and played beautifully.

That's when I realized that playing a backlined kit is all about confidence, the ability to make due with what you have, and flexibility. It's a skill just like anything else in music. A lot comes from attitude. If you think you're gonna have a crappy gig before you start playing, you probably will.

I look at backlined kits as a challenge and an opportunity now. The goal is to look and sound as comfortable as possible, no matter what the conditions are.

The problem is when you see the backlined kit as an obstacle. You're guaranteed to sound like crap.
I'm the fat bastard whacking six shades of shite out of a crappy backline kit in Blackpool, Lancashire (enjoying ever second lol)

This was our second gig, mine after a 10 year hiatus from drumming :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImR3Nlr9VVA

The only part of the kit that is mine is the cowbell....

This thread dragged my memories up. That kit was so shit...and so were we hahaha
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I agree but it's not just about the quality of the kit but your ability to set it up comfortably that is the difference maker. We've all (or most) come across drummers who have everything at odd heights/angles and are sticklers about stuff being moved. Hard to have a stellar performance in those conditions.
Yeah. You definitely need to make sure you can set up a reasonably playable kit.

I touch base with (and thank) the drummer who backlines before I go on stage. I also politely ask if I can move stuff around. I've never had someone tell me I couldn't.

Backlining is the absolute norm in Boston. I haven't played my own kit at a gig in several months. I make the assumption that the kit I will be playing is junk. I bring hats, a ride, left side crash/ride along with pedal and snare. My setup is super simple and fast. That way I have time to fuss with the kit. My focus is snare height/angle and seat height. If those are right, the rest is gravy.

Would I rather be on my own instrument? Hell yes. Would I play better? Oh yeah, no doubt. But what are you going to do? You gotta make the best of a bad kit.

For an exercise, at home take away all toms but the floor. Only use hats and a crashable ride for bronze. Run through your material with a super stripped down setup. It'll prep you for that terrible backlined kit with the rack tom at the stupid angle and the unadjustable left side cymbal stand.

I actually am delighted not to have to bring my kit to a show. Easy load in, and I don't have to worry about a basher shredding my heads/bearing edges.
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This has inspired me to make a soundguy thread.
Thats exactly how I felt. How would he have felt if I woud have met him right before the show and been like "hey, here is a sound board you have never used and now you have to use it or else everyone is going to get mad at you. You got 10 minutes to make it work for you and make all the bands sound great. Good luck!" Im sure I would not get as good a reaction that I gave him when thats what I heard about the kit.

I plan on standing my ground on only using my gear. I know that a guitar is way more portable but can you imagine if the band your playing in showed up to a gig and all the guitar players found out they all had to use the same guitar and just make due! I don't think that we as drummers should have to put up with that just because our rig takes just a bit more time to set up. I can get my kit set up and ready to play on the stage in 10 minutes. Just because the sound guy is lazy and does not want to move his mics is a pretty lame excuse.

When I do tour overseas I plan on doing all I have to do to make sure a kit that works for me will be waiting for me. Ill just set up a rental kit for the dates from a cartage service. I can always bring my cymbals and pedals.

But while playing in the states I need my own gear to play my parts well. I really don't think that is to much to ask.
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Thats exactly how I felt. How would he have felt if I woud have met him right before the show and been like "hey, here is a sound board you have never used and now you have to use it or else everyone is going to get mad at you. You got 10 minutes to make it work for you and make all the bands sound great. Good luck!" Im sure I would not get as good a reaction that I gave him when thats what I heard about the kit.

I plan on standing my ground on only using my gear. I know that a guitar is way more portable but can you imagine if the band your playing in showed up to a gig and all the guitar players found out they all had to use the same guitar and just make due! I don't think that we as drummers should have to put up with that just because our rig takes just a bit more time to set up. I can get my kit set up and ready to play on the stage in 10 minutes. Just because the sound guy is lazy and does not want to move his mics is a pretty lame excuse.

When I do tour overseas I plan on doing all I have to do to make sure a kit that works for me will be waiting for me. Ill just set up a rental kit for the dates from a cartage service. I can always bring my cymbals and pedals.

But while playing in the states I need my own gear to play my parts well. I really don't think that is to much to ask.
No one likes playing backline kits, we all want to be comfotable, but thats not the point. The point is sometime you have to play a backline kit and you have to make the best of it.

Its not the sound guys fault. If there is a running order then everyone is under pressure to stick to it, includig him.

Its a mindset, you have to make the best of any situation, the other drummers at the gig did.
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Thats exactly how I felt. How would he have felt if I woud have met him right before the show and been like "hey, here is a sound board you have never used and now you have to use it or else everyone is going to get mad at you. You got 10 minutes to make it work for you and make all the bands sound great. Good luck!"
That does happen. All the time. There's no point in antagonising sound people, they'll just give you a crappy mix. You're working together to try and give the best show you can to the audience.

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Good luck if you ever play in the UK. That almost never happens.

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Then that overseas tour is never going to happen if you can't adapt. One of the skills in playing at a good level is to be able to adapt to situations. May I suggest that a good drummer can adapt their parts if necessary and a really good drummer would be able to play whatever was put in front of them?

It is a lot to ask, actually. If you were a sound engineer sticking to a strict running order with ten minutes between bands (and the bands only turning up in the evening) would you like to mic and sound check every single kit before they started playing in front of an audience? No. No you wouldn't.
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No one likes playing backline kits, we all want to be comfotable, but thats not the point. The point is sometime you have to play a backline kit and you have to make the best of it.

Its not the sound guys fault. If there is a running order then everyone is under pressure to stick to it, includig him.

Its a mindset, you have to make the best of any situation, the other drummers at the gig did.
I made the best of it. So did the other drummers. But it still sucked. Im sure it did for most of them as well.
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There is a lot of good advice below. The trick to kit shares on a small stage setting is not worrying about the 5 % of your music that can't be delivered but instead getting the basics right. In order of importance:

1) throne height
2) snare and kick sound
3) cymbal numbers & location
4) lastly toms, not really that important in the bigger scheme of overall sound

The fact is that a few bad drummers can ruin it for everyone else either by being way to fussy (having over-evolved set-ups out of all proportion for their 45 minute set) or not actually having their technique and knowledge down enough to play on a regular four or maybe five piece kit. On the flip side, I have come across drummers who have adapted their hardware so nothing is adjustable: this is just plain mean. The worst situations arise where you have bands of conflicting styles, which in turn have different requirements.
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That does happen. All the time. There's no point in antagonising sound people, they'll just give you a crappy mix. You're working together to try and give the best show you can to the audience.



Good luck if you ever play in the UK. That almost never happens.



Then that overseas tour is never going to happen if you can't adapt. One of the skills in playing at a good level is to be able to adapt to situations. May I suggest that a good drummer can adapt their parts if necessary and a really good drummer would be able to play whatever was put in front of them?

It is a lot to ask, actually. If you were a sound engineer sticking to a strict running order with ten minutes between bands (and the bands only turning up in the evening) would you like to mic and sound check every single kit before they started playing in front of an audience? No. No you wouldn't.
I was very polite to the sound guy. He was a jerk to me, as well as to other people that were playing.

If a person spends the time to craft his parts he/she should not have to change them because of a crappy kit that is just thrown in front of them to play. I feel there is nothing wrong with having some basic standards and not just talking what you can get.

If I were a sound guy I would not expect people to have to sacrifice their ability to actually play their parts well because of me not wanting to do what is in my job description. If the sound guy finds it such a hassle to move mics and do sound checks in my opinion he should look for another job. Heck, he could mix on the fly instead of sound checking every kit. That would be better then the way it went down on my gig. That said I will never be rude to anyone on a gig as this is very unprofessional behavior. I don't play a very big kit. But placement of my drums and cymbals is very important to me.

Are you saying that a person can't rent a drumset from a cartage service in the UK? Drummers rent kits all the time in all parts of the world. Im not saying it has to be a replica of my kit. But it has to at least be close.
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There is a lot of good advice below. The trick to kit shares on a small stage setting is not worrying about the 5 % of your music that can't be delivered but instead getting the basics right. In order of importance:

1) throne height
2) snare and kick sound
3) cymbal numbers & location
4) lastly toms, not really that important in the bigger scheme of overall sound

The fact is that a few bad drummers can ruin it for everyone else either by being way to fussy (having over-evolved set-ups out of all proportion for their 45 minute set) or not actually having their technique and knowledge down enough to play on a regular four or maybe five piece kit. On the flip side, I have come across drummers who have adapted their hardware so nothing is adjustable: this is just plain mean. The worst situations arise where you have bands of conflicting styles, which in turn have different requirements.
Thats the thing, this stage was huge. And the kit I was stuck with was a memory locked mess. I really couldn't move anything.It was not the guys falut who owned the kit. He did not know about the kit share untill he got there either. I honestly felt bad for him because he had to watch other drummers tug and pull on his rack and drums to try to get comfortable. Then he had to hope no one broke anything while playing.
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I had to share a set at least once, maybe twice. I wasn't too thrilled about it, but luckily for me the toms and snare were set up fairly close to what I had. The cymbals however, were a different story. The cymbals were so far away I thought I would have to throw my sticks at them to hit 'em. But, I did what I had to do, and everything went pretty well. I could've sworn those cymbals were mounted from the ceiling tiles though.

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I feel there is nothing wrong with having some basic standards and not just talking what you can get.
In that case, take more control over when and where your gigs are booked. Hire your own venues. Become your own booking agent and promoter. Hire your own production and dedicated person to run it for you. Ditch the support acts, use your own gear and operate on your own terms. Then you get to call the shots.

If you're gonna persist with the old same old 4 or 5 band per bill at the local dive, then you're gonna have to learn to put up with the shit that comes with it......either that or learn to get more selective about the gigs you accept and look for a gig that offers terms and conditions more akin to the way your band wants to operate. Start exercising those standards you speak of.

But ultimately, that's gigging mate. It's pretty much the same for everyone. Some venues are far better than others, but when a band is just starting out, they've gotta slog it out like everyone else. You either learn to adapt and make what you have work for you, or you remove yourself altogether and tread a different path.
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Communication. The element that's almost always lacking. With good communication, cooperation, & planning, almost any situation can be made acceptable.

Nobody likes to use back line gear, & it's especially difficult when that gear is either poor quality/condition or impossibly set up with little prospect of adjustment. Sometimes kit share is necessary, many times it's for the convenience of others, frequently it's laziness, but that's life. Either adapt, or get away from that circuit.

I also agree with those who believe we drummers get the raw deal as a result, & compare the reaction from players of other instruments if they had to put up with the same crap.

There's the flip side to this too. Many drummers do themselves & their fellow drummers a huge disservice by turning up with poorly prepared instruments. I think many here would be surprised to learn just how shit many drummers are at presenting a kit suited to reinforcement. It's no wonder that drummers are frequently stereotyped in the sound engineer community. Then there's the wannabe "sound guys" - don't even get me started on those :(
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We've been lucky. I've only had to use a "shared" or "backlined" kit 5 or 6 times over the last 3 years but I won't do it again unless I get to see and hear the kit in advance. Last fall was the last time it happened. The kit was nice and the setup wasn't bad. They even said bring your own pedals and cymbals. The snare sounded great and is a 5 piece which I like. The main problem, the toms were over muffled. Reminded me of how my toms sounded in highschool. It completely ruined the sounds of the fills to the point I stated leaving them out. Also played on 4 pieces of varying sound quality, but I'm not talented enough to bring a 4 piece to life.

A few weeks ago we did a drum share for a benefit, so I volunteered my 6 piece. The drummers from the other two bands had nothing but praise which felt a little awkward and they just stood around and drooled during setup. One of them had a crappy little 4 piece with cheap cymbals. He called himself a 'poor drummer' and he said he rarely got to play on anything nice, so it worked out for him. He sounded the best out of all of us btw.
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I'm sorry but bad gig stories are so entertaining.

Nothing to add, except yes it sucks the big one to use someone else's kit.

It's like wearing someone else's clothes.

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I still think I have the very best/worst shared kit experience ever...

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OMG it's the tom angles thread! Poor Al lol.
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I have played quite a few shows in quite a few countries and I would still need perhaps three hands' worth of fingers to count the number of times I've used my own drum kit. It's just something you have to deal with, and while I really do not intend to be unkind in saying this, to be brutally honest if you can't deal with it then that highlights a deficiency you should be working to improve, not just an external problem you can blame someone else for.
Nobody likes to work with someone inflexible. In fact, the inflexibility of the setup was exactly the problem you were having to deal with.

At this show, I was playing to maybe 5000-6000 people, and the rented backline (again, this is standard practice for festivals) was literally falling to bits while I was playing. The rack toms were rotating freely on the stand until the larger one was in front of the other one, which made fills very difficult, and the snare drum almost fell over, away from me...I would have had to get up and get it. Now, I play to a backing track. It was halfway through a ten-minute song. There's no stopping because I can only start the song from the beginning. It was very nearly a total disaster, but I made it through. Of course it was annoying, but what's the point in complaining after the fact?

A perfect drum setup is a luxury just like perfect monitoring, perfect onstage communication and a perfect relationship with your fellow band members. Not to mention friendly and accommodating (and competent) FOH engineers. Sometimes, you have to work around any or all of those things not being in place.

Finally...just because you felt your performance was terrible, doesn't mean anyone else did. In my experience people don't notice that sort of thing, and it's often not nearly as bad as you thought it was when you see/hear it back.
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To try to deal with that , move your own kit around , set up cheap oedÓls and everything , miss adjust every single item while at home and play songs/make the best of it while practicing at home. Change it one a week or so.
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I have played quite a few shows in quite a few countries and I would still need perhaps three hands' worth of fingers to count the number of times I've used my own drum kit. It's just something you have to deal with, and while I really do not intend to be unkind in saying this, to be brutally honest if you can't deal with it then that highlights a deficiency you should be working to improve, not just an external problem you can blame someone else for.
Nobody likes to work with someone inflexible. In fact, the inflexibility of the setup was exactly the problem you were having to deal with.

At this show, I was playing to maybe 5000-6000 people, and the rented backline (again, this is standard practice for festivals) was literally falling to bits while I was playing. The rack toms were rotating freely on the stand until the larger one was in front of the other one, which made fills very difficult, and the snare drum almost fell over, away from me...I would have had to get up and get it. Now, I play to a backing track. It was halfway through a ten-minute song. There's no stopping because I can only start the song from the beginning. It was very nearly a total disaster, but I made it through. Of course it was annoying, but what's the point in complaining after the fact?

A perfect drum setup is a luxury just like perfect monitoring, perfect onstage communication and a perfect relationship with your fellow band members. Not to mention friendly and accommodating (and competent) FOH engineers. Sometimes, you have to work around any or all of those things not being in place.

Finally...just because you felt your performance was terrible, doesn't mean anyone else did. In my experience people don't notice that sort of thing, and it's often not nearly as bad as you thought it was when you see/hear it back.
Very wise words indeed Ben. I can certainly relate to drummingman's sheer frustration. It's not fair, waaaa!. And it's really not. It sucks to practice really hard, and spend a lot of time and money learning to tune and head, just to be forced to wrestle with a set of substandard unadjustable drums that sound polar opposite to what you need.

Like being a surgeon and being handed a meat cleaver.

And the hard part is no one understands the exact brand of frustration that we have to deal with, except other drummers. It's funny how non drummers see us. I mean we just hit things right? What is SO complicated?

Walk a mile in our shoes.

This is the only really safe place to complain about it. No one wants to hear, or really cares about our problems, except the people here.
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I'm with Drummingman. At some point it's time to stand up for yourselves and just say "sorry, that just won't work". Keep saying "ok" and pretty soon most of you will be playing for next to nothing...Wait a minute. Dang, that too huh?
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I'm with Drummingman. At some point it's time to stand up for yourselves and just say "sorry, that just won't work". Keep saying "ok" and pretty soon most of you will be playing for next to nothing...Wait a minute. Dang, that too huh?
Thats all well and good, but time constraints are usualy not there for fun. Also, If you say no to the setup you can bet you wont get another call from the organisers, someone else will. Its an overcrowded market and if you cant hack it you wont get called back.
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I still think I have the very best/worst shared kit experience ever...

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I will never gig but liked the story.. One idea though.. how bout making alternative drumming for your set if this ever happens again.. take out anything tricky and just try to play solid and get through the gig :)
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Thats all well and good, but time constraints are usualy not there for fun. Also, If you say no to the setup you can bet you wont get another call from the organisers, someone else will. Its an overcrowded market and if you cant hack it you wont get called back.
It totally depends what you want out of it. If you want to have fun, then by all means be as demanding as you like because if it's not fun then there's no point...but if you want to do it as someone performing a service that other people are going to want to use, it's worth learning to be as adaptable as possible, even beyond the point of what would be thought of as reasonable in an ideal world.
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I have played quite a few shows in quite a few countries and I would still need perhaps three hands' worth of fingers to count the number of times I've used my own drum kit. It's just something you have to deal with, and while I really do not intend to be unkind in saying this, to be brutally honest if you can't deal with it then that highlights a deficiency you should be working to improve, not just an external problem you can blame someone else for.
Nobody likes to work with someone inflexible. In fact, the inflexibility of the setup was exactly the problem you were having to deal with.

At this show, I was playing to maybe 5000-6000 people, and the rented backline (again, this is standard practice for festivals) was literally falling to bits while I was playing. The rack toms were rotating freely on the stand until the larger one was in front of the other one, which made fills very difficult, and the snare drum almost fell over, away from me...I would have had to get up and get it. Now, I play to a backing track. It was halfway through a ten-minute song. There's no stopping because I can only start the song from the beginning. It was very nearly a total disaster, but I made it through. Of course it was annoying, but what's the point in complaining after the fact?

A perfect drum setup is a luxury just like perfect monitoring, perfect onstage communication and a perfect relationship with your fellow band members. Not to mention friendly and accommodating (and competent) FOH engineers. Sometimes, you have to work around any or all of those things not being in place.

Finally...just because you felt your performance was terrible, doesn't mean anyone else did. In my experience people don't notice that sort of thing, and it's often not nearly as bad as you thought it was when you see/hear it back.
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Yah, I don't understand when someone shares his kit, but is totally ignorant to the fact that he has the weirdest setup, bad tuning, and everything is horribly taken care of. He gleefully sets it up for himself, all other be damned.
When I share my kit (a normal 22 inch bass five piece) I let guys move things around a bit, I don't have gear that is so wrecked it is unadjustable. I try to be as accommodating as possible. It boggles my mind the kits some guys play on. I understand some drummers may newbies who don't know any better, or be poor and struggling and making do with a less than stellar kit. But if everything is so locked into place and can't be moved, or everything is hard to reach at odd angles, trashed beyond repair to the point the kit sounds dreadful and is no longer holding its tuning to be even functional how do they even play on it?
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I'm with Drummingman. At some point it's time to stand up for yourselves and just say "sorry, that just won't work". Keep saying "ok" and pretty soon most of you will be playing for next to nothing...Wait a minute. Dang, that too huh?
Im right there with you. The industry already treats musicians like crap. I think one of the reasons for this is because we as musicians have allowed that to happen and become the norm. I hate the attitude that some sound guys, club owners, etc have that they are doing the bands such a big favor by letting them play. If it were not for the bands there would be no music club. These people would not be making any money. Most of the time the band is not making any money. We had to basically pay to play that show that went so bad. Sure it was for exposure. But then I have to deal with a crappy sound guys attitude on top of it.

Im not saying we should be treated like pre madonnas, nor should we act like ones. Im just saying we should be treated with respect and not like pee on"s. And we should make it known in our words, or at least actions, that we do have standards and we are not flunkys that they can just walk all over because "they are doing us a favor" by letting us pay to play their club.

If we start showing that we as musicians expect respect like the people we are working with do then we will get the respect we deserve.
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