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Old 01-06-2019, 12:08 PM
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I like the music you posted !
It's not as bad as you mentioned, but you're very low in the mix.
Playing to a click for everyone can be a pain to organise.
What I would do : LiveBPM App. on an iPad for everyone to see.
That way all the band should see when the tempo speeds up.
I use this app all the time now with my band, for the drum and the bassist to see. It's not as constraining as a click, because you can move to it and decide by yourself that it's Ok to move from 111 to 115 in a song, and start the warning when the guitarist jumps at 120 !

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Old 01-07-2019, 01:08 PM
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Some songs sound good in ritardando, but not many.

Everyone should keep time.

If he is trying to keep time, that should ultimately be workable.

Typically guitarists serve more as phrase markers or rhythmic counter point, however you may find that you need to fill one of these other roles. For example adding some sections with space and crashes, while mentally keep time, to mark the large scale time and phrases. Also, you can try to lock in the time by providing counter point, eg on the off beats.

I would avoid the situation, where you are coaching other peoples time, you won't get much out of it.
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Old 01-07-2019, 08:26 PM
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The last gig we played I let lead guy totally take control of the time and the gig went down well. Really well actually, altho they are usually a generous, good natured crowd.

So are you saying strip back the drum part and play less notes, let him mark the time and just help shape the musical phrases and use counter rhythms to avoid clashing? That could work, I guess. Tempo would still be on steroids though.

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Old 01-07-2019, 08:32 PM
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Apps these days, amazing.
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Old 01-11-2019, 05:34 PM
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I usually have a hard time convincing other musicians that they are all timekeepers; when they don't get it my heart sinks a bit.
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Old 01-15-2019, 12:34 AM
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I usually have a hard time convincing other musicians that they are all timekeepers; when they don't get it my heart sinks a bit.
I agree. Every musician has to be able keep time. Sure, they have to follow the drums, but what if there are long pauses, songs without drums, what if the drummer decides to do odd time ostinatos/ polyrhythms, etc. etc...?
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:32 PM
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They have ended the band anyway. So i guess I dont have to worry about that one then! Funny how things work out.

I probably would have given it one more crack but now i can take a break from drumming for maybe a year, concentrate on teaching and healing the tendonitis, which is good!

Just had my first 2 students this week!
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:47 PM
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I like the music you posted ! https://ovo.fyi/chaturbate/ https://ovo.fyi/xnxx/ https://ovo.fyi/tubegalore/
It's not as bad as you mentioned, but you're very low in the mix.
Playing to a click for everyone can be a pain to organise.
What I would do : LiveBPM App. on an iPad for everyone to see.
That way all the band should see when the tempo speeds up.
I use this app all the time now with my band, for the drum and the bassist to see. It's not as constraining as a click, because you can move to it and decide by yourself that it's Ok to move from 111 to 115 in a song, and start the warning when the guitarist jumps at 120 !
The last gig we played I let lead fellow absolutely take control of the time and the gig went down well. Extremely well really, altho they are normally a liberal, amiable group.

So would you say you are stating strip back the drum part and play less notes, let him stamp the time and simply help shape the melodic expressions and utilize counter rhythms to abstain from conflicting? That could work, I presume. Beat would even now be on steroids however.

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Old 01-16-2019, 02:03 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzurBBp_Q8w

Start at 3:35.

Well...you could watch it all but the relevant bit for the purpose of this thread is at 3:35
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Old 01-16-2019, 02:53 PM
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Thanks mate. Yep its the difference between one person speeding up and the whole band doing it. One you can get away with, the other not.
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