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Old 03-22-2015, 06:35 PM
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The sound of your drums is definitely affected by your choice of colors.
I won’t go into all the scientific jargon, including chemical analysis, existential weights created by atmospheric conditions or imperfections which arguably can and most often do affect tonality in wooden drums. I will however explain in as simple a way possible the sonic outcome imposed by different color encumberances/enhancements on both wood ply and wood stave drum shells.
Let’s say your favorite color is black. Not technically considered a color of its own, but rather a combination of all known colors. Black is therefore a highly complex layer of elements competing for relevance in the perceived spectrum of light. The rather chaotic assemblage of colors struggling for human perception consequently inhibit passage of sound. The result of which forces sound waves to (for lack of a better term) congeal and focus energy in a direct non-wavering manner. Hence, we call that sound “focused”, and depending on the density of the wooden shell, determined by its ply or stave manufacture, it is also often referred to as “dark”. The complete opposite is true with the “color” white, which like black is not a color at all. However unlike black which is a combination of all known “colors”, white is absent any element of pigmentation. Without those elements of pigmentation, there is very little struggle for recognition. The effect then on sound waves is beyond negligent and through oscilliscopic analysis the effect is diffused or what we refer to as “open”.
*In PART 2 of this series on how color affects sound, I’ll discuss various combinations of pigments. Pink, orange, red, purple, blue green, et al, and how the varying degrees of color change the tonality of your drums
*In PART 3, I’ll teach you about the psychological nuances associated with color versus sound.
*If you make it to PART 4, I will definitely commend you personally for making it past the initial paragraph in PART 1 of this series.
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Old 03-22-2015, 06:41 PM
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Can we cut to the chase and assume that plain wood color or clear stain is the best way to go?
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Old 03-22-2015, 08:21 PM
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Considering most folks can't tell the difference between the sound of a wrapped kit and a lacquered one, no one would be able to hear a kit and tell you what colour it is. Differences in grain, thickness, and moisture content of the wood the shells are made from would affect the sound of your drums infinitely more than what colour they are. Heads, hardware, and the room you are playing in all affect the sound you're hearing infinitely more than the colour of the shells. Are you seriously suggesting that if you took two acrylic kits, one clear and one amber, you would be able to tell me which was which if you were blindfolded?
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Forgive the interruption:

This thread is a great big ole croc-o-shit.
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Old 03-22-2015, 08:50 PM
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I'm pretty sure it was meant as a funny, judging by the last sentence. Up till then I thought it was serious.
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I'm pretty sure it was meant as a funny. If not it gets the yearly minutia award.
Last time I thought someone was playing a forum-joke, it was detuner's long winded pontification. Won't get fooled again.
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Old 03-23-2015, 12:17 AM
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Actually Part 3 of this series may have some validity.

"In PART 3, I’ll teach you about the psychological nuances associated with color versus sound."


On Friday night a lady told me I was an awesome drummer.
I think the graphics on my drum kit hypnotized her.



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Old 03-23-2015, 12:59 AM
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On Friday night a lady told me I was an awesome drummer.
I think the graphics on my drum kit hypnotized her.



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I'll bet she said that because she thought you were going to kill her and then dine on her remains. :-)
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On Friday night a lady told me I was an awesome drummer.
I think the graphics on my drum kit hypnotized her.

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What was she wearing?
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What was she wearing?
Probably black. Her clothes were absorbing all of the light energy being reflected from the drum, hence her enthrallment. Lighter clothes would reflect more light, leaving the wearer unimpressed.
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Do the soundwaves from my bass drum have a different colour to the soundwaves from my cymbals?
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What was she wearing?
OK, I'll fess up. She was the bass player's girlfriend.
She was wearing shorts and a T shirt. It was the second time she watched us play.

( But it seems like she was staring at the graphics on my toms for too long. )


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Probably black. Her clothes were absorbing all of the light energy being reflected from the drum, hence her enthrallment. Lighter clothes would reflect more light, leaving the wearer unimpressed.
I thought maybe she was flirting with him. But yours is the simpler answer. :P

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Do the soundwaves from my bass drum have a different colour to the soundwaves from my cymbals?
Yes. Definitely yes. The bass drum waves vibrate at a lower frequency, like light waves do in the blue/indigo/violet end of the rainbow. Cymbals vibrate much faster correlating to the red/orange/yellow end of the electromagnetic spectrum. So bass drum is bluish, cymbals are reddish, more or less. You can quote me on that. Unless they are moving away from you at a high rate of speed. Then everything is Dopplered. Or red shifted. One of those.

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Unless they are moving away from you at a high rate of speed. Then everything is Dopplered. Or red shifted. One of those.
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I was trying to think of a situation where cymbals would be moving away from the drummer.

I could only think of two possibilities:









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I was trying to think of a situation where cymbals would be moving away from the drummer.
No one said the waves have to be from the drummers POV. Pay attention young man! You're overcomplicating again!
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I thought maybe she was flirting with him. But yours is the simpler answer. :P



Yes. Definitely yes. The bass drum waves vibrate at a lower frequency, like light waves do in the blue/indigo/violet end of the rainbow. Cymbals vibrate much faster correlating to the red/orange/yellow end of the electromagnetic spectrum. So bass drum is bluish, cymbals are reddish, more or less. You can quote me on that. Unless they are moving away from you at a high rate of speed. Then everything is Dopplered. Or red shifted. One of those.

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So, the next obvious question is, what color cape should a drummer be wearing in such circumstances?
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Was it Keith Moon who invented the term kick drum?
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So, the next obvious question is, what color cape should a drummer be wearing in such circumstances?
In this situation I'd opt for a codpiece.

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Was it Keith Moon who invented the term kick drum?
I saw what you did there.

He may have invented the verb kick drum.

Was anyone else famous for kicking over drums before Keith?

I've kicked over a set or 2 when I was young and impetulant.

My 76 blue oyster Luds. I'm sure that was wonderful for the tom tree bracket with the weight of 2 toms on it.
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out here we get a lot of dust ,
i wonder how my kit will sound if i let the dust build up on them for a while?
might help my P.O.S. kit
I always wear my blue cape when im drumming
my other color capes dont match well
? would they sound different to a colorblind drummer?
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It's quite amusing that we're all mocking the ridiculousness of something Gretsch has had many drummers convinced makes a difference for years.
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There are more than one source that suggests finishing and coating the inside of drums, either with clear, waxes, hand rubs etc. to improve the sound of a drum. Gretsch just decided on silver paint and the world followed.
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I thought this thread was going down the bunny trail that we can hear color?
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