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Old 08-24-2012, 08:22 AM
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Received an email today from SmartCompany about Billy Hyde Music going out of business! This is sad news for musicians in Australia. The email:

"Dear SmartCompany reader,

The collapse of iconic music retailer Allans Billy Hyde is yet another example of the havon being wrought on the retail sector by structural change. The group commanded a stunning 25% of its market in Australia but as Patrick Stafford explains today, its offshore investor couldn't face another Christmas."

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"Iconic retailer Allans billy Hyde collapses: Why its offshore backer pulled the pin.

Another retailer has bitten the dust. Australian Music Group Holdings, trading as the iconic Allans Billy Hyde brand, has been placed in receivership.

Rumours of the company's demise were floating around in March, but joint managing director Tim Mason told SmartCompany at that time the company had received an injection of capital, debt was reduced, and the business was trading fine albeit in rough conditions.

the fact a business of this size and calibre - it owns 25% of the market - can be struck by the retail downturn demonstrates the strength of pessimistic consumer confidence but also the ramifications of offshore retail.

Ferrier Hodgson confirmed yesterday the company had been placed in receivership - and those same harsh retail conditions are to blame.

' Things are pretty rough in retail right now,' Ferrier Hodgson partner James Stewart told SmartCompany.

"The business had been recapitalised as far back as March, and the business was not traveling at levels the people in charge would have liked it to travel at. The stakeholders decided to call it a day.""

Billy Hyde Music has been around since the 1850's and employs 500 staff across 25 stores with four franchisees among those. The first Billy Hyde store was opened on Collins Street in Melbourne and still maintains a presence in the CBD.
Make sure you support your local business's! Or they might not be around for long.

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Old 08-24-2012, 09:09 AM
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Reduced choice is never a good thing, & of course, this is terrible news for the 500 staff.
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:54 AM
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Read about it in the papers yesterday. What a great shame.

I've been going to the original Hydes store in Flemington since I was a little kid and still have a great relationship with many of the staff there to this day. By far my favourite drum store.

I was surprised by the need for the merger with Allans Music in 2010 and was hoping it was enough to stave off the wolves from the door. Sad to see another institution bite the dust. But with the vast chasm between retail and online prices in this country, I'm sure we're only gonna see more of it.
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Read about it in the papers yesterday. What a great shame.

I've been going to the original Hydes store in Flemington since I was a little kid and still have a great relationship with many of the staff there to this day. By far my favourite drum store.

I was surprised by the need for the merger with Allans Music in 2010 and was hoping it was enough to stave off the wolves from the door. Sad to see another institution bite the dust. But with the vast chasm between retail and online prices in this country, I'm sure we're only gonna see more of it.
I've also made a few mates at billy Hyde and they've also provided great service and a good range of stuff, it sucks
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It's not over yet, someone could buy it, maybe even turn the company around.
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Drum City is taken over by Hydes then Hydes is taken over by Allens and now the whole thing's folding. Andy, when you say "reduced choice", we already had bugger all choice, hence the high prices.

Buying online can't replace the experience of stepping into Wonderland. Not for me, anyway, especially when it comes to trying out cymbals.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:05 PM
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Andy, when you say "reduced choice", we already had bugger all choice, hence the high prices.
A little strange that a company with 25% market share, & reportedly able to charge higher prices due to a lack of competition, has gone under. If their margins were the only reason their prices were high, I'm wondering why they didn't have the headroom to react to increased competition from online suppliers. There must have been other factors at play.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:11 PM
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I know how you guys feel.It's almost like a part of you being taken away.Childhood memories,the sight,smell and people that worked there.It's a visceral experience going to places like that.

When Sam Ash finally closed Manny's on 48th street,it was the same for me.A little piece of my past was now gone,and never coming back again.

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Old 08-24-2012, 07:34 PM
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i have three billy hyde practice pads. i still say they are one of the simplest and best.

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Drum City is taken over by Hydes then Hydes is taken over by Allens and now the whole thing's folding. Andy, when you say "reduced choice", we already had bugger all choice, hence the high prices.

Buying online can't replace the experience of stepping into Wonderland. Not for me, anyway, especially when it comes to trying out cymbals.
Yeah, it's so ridiculous. My local shop has basically given up on retail in favor of just focusing on music education. The revenue from music lessons is what has kept the shop afloat for a few years now as even the students were walking past a showroom full of gear to shop online and save a couple bucks.

It's a dismal state of affairs that small business, brick and mortar shops are getting squeezed so bad. I'm just hoping that the inevitable backlash against everything happens with online shopping for musical equipment. And the sooner, the better. As you say, buying things you can't even play first is absurd to me. People need to wake the f*** up.
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Went into my local BH shop over the weekend- the atmosphere was non-congenial to say the least! Having said that, you can hardly blame the staff for being less than enthusiastic given that their livelihoods are in jeopardy, with very little chance of being employed in another music retail shop.
I must admit I felt a bit like a vulture picking over a dead carcass when I went in there looking for bargains but one of the staff informed me that Guitar Centre (US) may buy out the company at the 11th hour and keep it solvent (fingers crossed)!
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.........but one of the staff informed me that Guitar Centre (US) may buy out the company at the 11th hour and keep it solvent (fingers crossed)!
That's really interesting. Whilst I've read about the perils of GC from the Yanks throughout these boards, I'd dearly love to see the brand saved. Hydes are an institution and it is such as shame to see them go. Aside from a bunch of friendly and knowlegeable guys at the Flemington store losing their jobs, my other great concern is who the hell is going to stock Ludwig? Drumtek have no arrangement with them as far as I know. I can't recall seeing the brand anywhere but Hydes.

For once, it would appear that I'm cheering for GC!!
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That's really interesting. Whilst I've read about the perils of GC from the Yanks throughout these boards, I'd dearly love to see the brand saved. Hydes are an institution and it is such as shame to see them go. Aside from a bunch of friendly and knowlegeable guys at the Flemington store losing their jobs, my other great concern is who the hell is going to stock Ludwig? Drumtek have no arrangement with them as far as I know. I can't recall seeing the brand anywhere but Hydes.

For once, it would appear that I'm cheering for GC!!
Yep, I got my 2nd bass drum direct from Ludwig via BH (saved me having to buy a whole 2nd hand kit off ebay).
Plenty of people complain about the their high prices and sadly, we're all guilty of trying out gear instore then going online to make the purchase.
Also, who else in Oz would organise all the great drum clinics they've put on over the years?
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Plenty of people complain about the their high prices and sadly, we're all guilty of trying out gear instore then going online to make the purchase.
And herein lies the problem I guess. We're not talking about a few bucks saving.....for the sake of $20, $30 or perhaps even $50, I'd gladly support the local scene. But for larger items like drums and cymbals, more often than not we're talking hundreds in saving by buying online. It's Catch 22 and sure, we're suffering for it by watching bricks and mortar stores folding.......but really, what is one supposed to do when the average savings can anywhere between 25% to 50%?
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And herein lies the problem I guess. We're not talking about a few bucks saving.....for the sake of $20, $30 or perhaps even $50, I'd gladly support the local scene. But for larger items like drums and cymbals, more often than not we're talking hundreds in saving by buying online. It's Catch 22 and sure, we're suffering for it by watching bricks and mortar stores folding.......but really, what is one supposed to do when the average savings can anywhere between 25% to 50%?
Exactly right- online stores don't have to worry about staff salaries, rent and God knows what other costs are involved in running a store from a physical location.
The staff member I spoke to was of the opinion that GC were relatively "cashed up" and had the means to save the company because they pay small amounts for freight within the US.
If GC does acquire BH though they would still have to pay the excessive freight fees to ship to Oz, resulting in higher prices, sending customers back to ebay and we're back to square one. Hopefully GC has a plan to cut delivery costs!
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I have heard a rumours that a drum shop may be installed where the current billy hide in adelaide exists. Not good to hear of them shutting down at all, great staff and gear, but it is good to see another business prepared to brave the music market in Australia and will look forward to checking out a shop completely comprised of drums and drum gear.
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I have heard a rumours that a drum shop may be installed where the current billy hide in adelaide exists. Not good to hear of them shutting down at all, great staff and gear, but it is good to see another business prepared to brave the music market in Australia and will look forward to checking out a shop completely comprised of drums and drum gear.
I can only hope that happens on the Gold Coast!
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And herein lies the problem I guess. We're not talking about a few bucks saving.....for the sake of $20, $30 or perhaps even $50, I'd gladly support the local scene. But for larger items like drums and cymbals, more often than not we're talking hundreds in saving by buying online. It's Catch 22 and sure, we're suffering for it by watching bricks and mortar stores folding.......but really, what is one supposed to do when the average savings can anywhere between 25% to 50%?
True. I bought a pedal online - $700 at Hydes, $390 at MusiciansFriend + $60 postage. Having said that I've never bought a cymbal online. I like to hear them in the flesh (metal) and I always bought them from drum city, and then Hydes, who have always been most conveniently located for me.
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y'al should take the time to read this article about online shopping warehouses, it will make you think twice about buying things online:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...rehouses-labor
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Sad as I am to see the Billy Hyde name go under I feel they priced themselves out of the market ...well compared to other bricks and mortar stores in Perth.

I went to look at their "closing down" sale and found their reduced prices were on a par with stores like Musicpark....certainly not cheaper.

They did have a big range, but they just didnt compete with other stores price wise...which surprised me as I thought they had a national franchise and therefore more buying power...but the smaller independants in perth have the same stuff for less.

Mind you good luck getting Meinl or Ludwig in Perth from now on........

With the Aus dollar the way it is Drum prices retail should be a lot cheaper than they are. Things like Drum heads, hardware, drumsticks are extortionate for what they are made of, and where they are made.

So sorry though I am to see the name die, Billy hydes aint what they were in the halcion days when every live act had "billy hyde drum clinic" on their drums.
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y'al should take the time to read this article about online shopping warehouses, it will make you think twice about buying things online:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...rehouses-labor
It seems that, no matter what you do, if you scratch the surface you find exploitation, cruelty and something that gives you cancer or a heart attack. If you pay silly money then they will tell you they didn't engage in exploitation or cruelty or add carcinogens, but how can we be sure? They might have received component parts from a sweathouse for all we know. I usually pay silly money on faith, just in case it's on the level, but I'm probably still exploiting, being unwittingly cruel and sucking in those carcinogens at a similar rate to everyone else.

But you're right - you got me to think twice ... that was the first one :)

My next thought will be "where can I find the best value for money without having Biafran slaves working 36 hours a day and being whipped with razor wire wrapped in the gizzards of caged pigs and chicken before being allowed 1 hour sleep on the ground at -20C"?

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So sorry though I am to see the name die, Billy hydes aint what they were in the halcion days when every live act had "billy hyde drum clinic" on their drums.
I remember those BH drum heads - it was like a mark of credibility.

I'd always shopped at Drum City but when I returned after my Rip Van Winkle break it had been eaten by Hydes. Their prices were not all that competitive but I loved the experience of being in the shop and the chance to try out cymbals. I'll miss those things but nothing stays the same.
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Mind you good luck getting Meinl or Ludwig in Perth from now on........

Try contacting Darren Versaico, head of the drum department @ Mega Music (08-9330-2777).
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Looks like the dream of a fairytale ending is dead. No white knight. No 11th hour reprieve. Time to sound the death knell.

From one of the local newswires:

MELBOURNE, Oct 17 AAP - Australia's largest independent music
retailer, Allans Billy Hyde, will close with the loss of 513 jobs
after the failure to find a buyer for the struggling business.
Receivers and managers Ferrier Hodgson said the stores were
expected to close in early November.
Australian Music Group Holdings, which trades as Allans Billy
Hyde, was placed into receivership in August by one of its
creditors.
Unsecured creditors were owed approximately $13.5 million and
employee entitlements were estimated to reach about $3 million.
The company continued trading as receivers restructured the
group and attempted to sell some or all of the stores.
During that time 80 employees were made redundant and a number
of other employees resigned.
Receiver Brendan Richards said the further loss of 513 jobs was
disappointing but a buyer could not be found.
"We exhausted all avenues and there is no other way forward for
this business," he said in a statement on Wednesday.
"These people have served music lovers and been a key part of
the Australian music industry for generations.
"It is a sad day for live music in this country."
Mr Richards said the receivers would work with the administrator
to help employees make claims for their entitlements through the
Government Entitlements and Redundancy Scheme (GEERS) as quickly as
possible.
Four franchise Allans Billy Hyde stores are independent and not
affected by the receivership.
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Try contacting Darren Versaico, head of the drum department @ Mega Music (08-9330-2777).
Thanks Kelly, appreciate the info given how busy youve been with the London Show etc

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Looks like the dream of a fairytale ending is dead. No white knight. No 11th hour reprieve. Time to sound the death knell.

From one of the local newswires:

MELBOURNE, Oct 17 AAP - Australia's largest independent music
retailer, Allans Billy Hyde, will close with the loss of 513 jobs
after the failure to find a buyer for the struggling business.
Receivers and managers Ferrier Hodgson said the stores were
expected to close in early November.
Australian Music Group Holdings, which trades as Allans Billy
Hyde, was placed into receivership in August by one of its
creditors.
Unsecured creditors were owed approximately $13.5 million and
employee entitlements were estimated to reach about $3 million.
The company continued trading as receivers restructured the
group and attempted to sell some or all of the stores.
During that time 80 employees were made redundant and a number
of other employees resigned.
Receiver Brendan Richards said the further loss of 513 jobs was
disappointing but a buyer could not be found.
"We exhausted all avenues and there is no other way forward for
this business," he said in a statement on Wednesday.
"These people have served music lovers and been a key part of
the Australian music industry for generations.
"It is a sad day for live music in this country."
Mr Richards said the receivers would work with the administrator
to help employees make claims for their entitlements through the
Government Entitlements and Redundancy Scheme (GEERS) as quickly as
possible.
Four franchise Allans Billy Hyde stores are independent and not
affected by the receivership.
A sad day indeed mate. Any idea which 4 stores are the independents?
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From what I heard today, John Renolds is re-opening in the BH store in Adelaide. I bought my first decent drum kit from there when he was running it in the '70s. It was a Premier 303 series 5 piece wrapped in marine pearl. I still use this kit from time to time as it is still in very good nick and sounds great. Colour is slightly faded though. I hope it all goes well for John.
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A sad day indeed mate. Any idea which 4 stores are the independents?
Im assuming its Darwin, Wagga, Mona Vale and Shepparton given they are not part of the liquidation sale.

I heard on the news last night another long term "Icon" the "Swan Brewery" its closing in Perth. I'm old enough to recall each state having its own beer (Swan, xxxx, Southwark etc) and everyone having an opinion as to which "state' had the best beer.

Guess competition is good for variety and price range, but bad for sentimental memories... Billy Hyde ? Allans / Drum Shop being known acroos Australia.

Bit like Ansett going under as well...maybee like Ansett another "replacement" like Virgin will take its place. Perhaps the debt was too unattractive for the "Billy hyde" brand to be saved.... easier to rebuild anew than save the name
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Im assuming its Darwin, Wagga, Mona Vale and Shepparton given they are not part of the liquidation sale.

I heard on the news last night another long term "Icon" the "Swan Brewery" its closing in Perth. I'm old enough to recall each state having its own beer (Swan, xxxx, Southwark etc) and everyone having an opinion as to which "state' had the best beer.

Guess competition is good for variety and price range, but bad for sentimental memories... Billy Hyde ? Allans / Drum Shop being known acroos Australia.

Bit like Ansett going under as well...maybee like Ansett another "replacement" like Virgin will take its place. Perhaps the debt was too unattractive for the "Billy hyde" brand to be saved.... easier to rebuild anew than save the name
No stores close to me unfortunately but thanks for the info.
I hope a there is a "Virgin" replacement for BH but I really don't see how any company can avoid the high costs of delivery to Oz, plus staff salaries, rent, etc to compete with online prices...
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