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Old 10-06-2012, 05:31 PM
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You cant compare the drummer's jokes with someone ridiculising you sister Larry, it's not the same thing, picking and mocking ONE person is victimisation, however, joking about all the drummers in the world is not, that's the difference.

It's like the "blonde girl" jokes, are all blondes really stupid? ...and a brunette more intelligent?

I'm a drummer, and proud to be one, and I find the jokes about us quite funny, but it's what they are... jokes! No one is putting us down, it has become an "etiquette" about us, the same phenomenon as for the blonde girls :)

And if you're "not ok with it anymore", you'll be grumpy for the rest of your life I'm afraid, c'mon Larry, cheer up, it's only a laugh... but what do I know eh? ...I'm only a drummer :-))
No thanks. I think it is a great comparison. I am cheerful in nearly every aspect of my life. This is the way I feel. It balances me. Certain things are worth it. To me, what I love is worth attacking anyone who disses me, or my fellowship. Lets see how cheerful they can be, when they get dissed. They know most drummers just roll over when they get dissed. Not me. If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting. I don't like what I'm getting (collectively). I pick my battles and I pick this. I don't get dissed in my life, but if I do, I am dissing right back, all in good fun, right?

It's about lack of respect. I'm OK being the guy who doesn't accept drummer jokes anymore. Trust me, it's not in my nature to be grumpy, I can't maintain it, but it is in my nature to do what I feel is right, and be passionate for what I feel, and going on the offensive, for my own personal satisfaction, if nothing else. Standing up for my passion, and throwing it right back at them makes me feel right inside, accepting disses doesn't anymore, what can I say.
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I am absolutely with Larry on this one.

You can dismiss "blonde girl jokes" as jokes, because you're not a blonde girl. But blondes get sick of hearing them, and do feel diminished. Ridiculing a race, gender, or nationality does not become acceptable just because it's aimed at a group, as opposed to an individual. Those sorts of attitudes become ingrained because people hear them all the time. Attitudes to drummers are ingrained. Drummer jokes enable people to say what they really think, but with a smile on their face. They "really think" it, because it's what they hear all the time. The result is that a lot of people genuinely do, regrettably, regard drummers as "not real musicians".

I probably have more than my share of "psychological issues" about this one. I had to deal with a lot of work place sexism in the 60s and 70s. It left scars. I can laugh at drummer jokes (in the right place). What I can't stand is people who think that ridiculing me or what I do is funny, and if I don't laugh then I have no sense of humour.
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I am absolutely with Larry on this one.

You can dismiss "blonde girl jokes" as jokes, because you're not a blonde girl. But blondes get sick of hearing them, and do feel diminished. Ridiculing a race, gender, or nationality does not become acceptable just because it's aimed at a group, as opposed to an individual. Those sorts of attitudes become ingrained because people hear them all the time. Attitudes to drummers are ingrained. Drummer jokes enable people to say what they really think, but with a smile on their face. They "really think" it, because it's what they hear all the time. The result is that a lot of people genuinely do, regrettably, regard drummers as "not real musicians".

I probably have more than my share of "psychological issues" about this one. I had to deal with a lot of work place sexism in the 60s and 70s. It left scars. I can laugh at drummer jokes (in the right place). What I can't stand is people who think that ridiculing me or what I do is funny, and if I don't laugh then I have no sense of humour.
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From your comment I'm guessing you're blonde AND a drummer, lol, I feel for you... :)

Now, seriously, do you really meant what you said? do you really think that "people" really think that drummers and blondes are dumb and dumber? It's one thing being annoyed and tired of hearing the same old jokes, it's another to think that it's meaningful by whoever said it, I agree that racism is a disgrace, whatever it's about nationality, religion or whatever, but a joke is a joke... I'm a drummer, I heard my fair share of drummer's jokes... and my daughter's blonde... she's heard all the jokes too, no harm done, just a bit of fun, I do not believe a minute that these jokes are to be taken seriously, there's some exception, fair enough, but generally they're meant as a JOKE...

I've been put down once or twice in my drummer life, and it was not because someone said a "bad joke" about me (or drummers in general), it was indeed a meaningful comment from someone who (obviously) didn't like me as a drummer (or person).

None of the "jokes" in that documentary are discriminating the drummer, they're part of what we are/chose as an instrument/identity, whatever we like it or not... and very often I use them to my credit :) ...wha? *drool*
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There is a problem though...drummers aren't a gender , race or nationality.
You guys are really comparing what , people of colour , woman and jews, have gone through...... with ....drummers ??????
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Honestly, the jokes are no big deal. I saw the whole BBC series when it was aired. None of the programmes resembled anything like a documentary. That wasn't the point. The aim of the show (if indeed there was one) was to gently poke fun at generations of 'grownups' doing the typical rock-star thing (behaving like big kids), as well as to inform...but mainly the former. The programme about bassists had plenty of bass-player jokes. Likewise with the shows that covered guitarists and singers.

The default setting of many British entertainment shows is to gently 'take the p*ss'. It's what we do. Honestly, this is no big deal. Take it as a bit of fun.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:59 PM
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From your comment I'm guessing you're blonde AND a drummer, lol, I feel for you... :)

Now, seriously, do you really meant what you said?
No, I'm not blonde. I was working age in the 60s. So obviously ...I'm grey !!

And, yes I do mean it. I don't mean to get all heavy on anyone, but I think there's a wider issue here. I honestly can't see the difference between drummer jokes, and the "Irish jokes" and "Paki jokes" that were the basic fare of comedians in the 1970s. Obviously (to bigbang) there's a difference in scale, but not in substance (not sure I expressed that very well, but I expect you get my meaning. I'm not suggesting we should bring in anti-drummerist laws!).

Any sort of generalised ridicule is demeaning, both to the individual and the group. And I believe it does affect "people's" perceptions. If something becomes common currency, it acquires a sort of false reality, becomes perceived/received/conventional wisdom.

(I make no specific reference to the BBC programme. I saw it when it first came out. I was a little disappointed as I thought it was going to be more "serious" - but as a bit of fun, it was ... well, a bit of fun)
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Thing is, the show referred to bygone days when drummer jokes were common. It would be good if people were interested enough in drummers today to makes jokes about us.
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I don't lump them in with sexist and racist jokes, because I don't see them that way, nor am I affected or resentful when I hear them like I am when I hear the other two. To me, drummer jokes are like lawyer and politician jokes. It's about the profession, not about the person.
The great thing about a drummer joke is that it's usually told by a singer, guitarist or bass player, so there's always a great, if not superior, comeback. The amount of camaraderie that can sometimes bring is interesting as well, as jokes can always lighten a mood if told in a funny way. Sure, it's possible to be mean spirited about them, but that's abuse of the jokes, and not funny.
The ONLY thing I didn't like about that doc were the unnecessary [and constant] animations. The pics and video were great, as were the interviews...even with people I don't otherwise care for.
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Larry!?!?!?

That's one of the longest bows I've ever seen drawn, old mate. I just can't take that one seriously at all......a bit like the drummer jokes at the end of the day. :-)
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I guess if drummers were bashed and insulted and ostracised and denied work for being drummers, then the racism comparison would hold. There is only one instance where the the contempt and hatred you find in race and sex based discrimination is comparable to disrespect to drummers - angry neighbours lol

Seriously, people who have been beaten, raped and tortured in genuine discrimination would probably have an opinion about drummers complaining about affectionate jokes ... it's like comparing a broken leg cut with a paper cut.

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PS. I liked that show / documentary / memoir more than 99.9% of things on TV. Ossum!! :-P
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Old 10-07-2012, 01:47 AM
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Yes, the documentary starts off with a few drummer jokes, but if you watch the whole thing, it slowly takes apart the jokes.

And ends with a bass player joke.

So it goes full circle.
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See, this is what happens when people from the states try to understand things that originate in the UK, the irony is lost mid Atlantic. The self depreciating humour shown in the documentary was great. I need to laugh at myself sometimes, and that's what the contributers were doing. Incidentally, Mark Radcliff, the narator is an DJ and amateur drummer, and his warmth and understanding of the subject, I thought, came through in how it was tackled.

This show wasn't written for drummers, it was written for the general public, who couldn't care less whether a drummer can play a triple paradiddle or whatever. If we choose to have out drum visuals biased towards drummers, then there's always Hudson Music. It was slightly dumb because it needed to be. Neil Peart wasn't mentioned because he's a niche market in the UK- everyone has heard of Bonham, Moon, Starr and Collins. Sure, they could have chosen Peart over Lee or Sorum, but again, while Rush have a large fan base, it's not populist, its specialist.

Now Larry et all who took offence- that's fine, its your perogative to see things the way that you choose to see them. But comparisons with racism? Come on! I've had the odd drummer joke thrown at me (I've made some too) and I tend to deal with it by playing well and understanding I can use all 4 limbs at once and sing too, where as the guitarists in the band struggle to walk and chew gum at the same time....

Really chaps, lighten up, please... for the sake of yourselves if for no one else.
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See, this is what happens when people from the states try to understand things that originate in the UK, the irony is lost mid Atlantic. The self depreciating humour shown in the documentary was great.
I was thinking that too but with globalisation the gap's closing. Any country that produces The Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy, American Dad and Southpark is not lacking in irony :) ... just that it hasn't fully caught on yet.

Watching the vid a 2nd time. Some great interview snippets - they got better as the show went along. How about Phil playing the audience by slowly walking to the kit before the fill?

My understanding is that fill was based on the killer fill in Zappa's More Trouble Every Day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naFQ7KG_nHg#t=18s and that's how Chester became his drummer.

Loved the pre-solo warnings :)
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See, this is what happens when people from the states try to understand things that originate in the UK, the irony is lost mid Atlantic. .
Despite being on this side of the pond, I've generally liked UK humor, even as a kid.
Benny Hill, Monty Pylon, Douglas Adams.

So I guess it's why I liked this too. LOL.

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No doubt drummers are second class citizens - and we will be until we get equal songwriting rights! A vocalist, pianist, guitarist or bassist etc can come up with a riff and it's treated by the law like gold, but when a drummer comes up with a riff it's expendable. No doubt drums are less influential in most compositions than melody instruments, but not always.

It would be interesting if Jimmy Carl Black and Zappa's estate sued Phil Collins for a share of In the Air because it's based on their fill.

But drummer jokes ... a bit of fun if oh-so-20th century, daaarling.

Another part of a vid I enjoyed - where Tommy Lee is air drumming When the Levee Breaks and then the original is seamlessly fast faded in. Nice tempo, Tommy.
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Yes, the documentary starts off with a few drummer jokes, but if you watch the whole thing, it slowly takes apart the jokes.

And ends with a bass player joke.

So it goes full circle.
I agree with this. Presented in a fairly naive style to paint a picture for the non musician masses, this contextualising is typical of BBC "catch all" style. The BBC is a publicly funded broadcasting organisation, & is sometimes a touch too neutral in it's public eyed balanced presentation.

Be thankful that drummers got their own program in this mini series. To justify that, there had to be a headline, & I think they dismantled the drummer joke ignorance perception adequately. Bass player, keyboard players, etc, had to share a program that concentrated on the "other" band members you never really get to hear about!

Jules Holland's quote said it all early in the program. He states, you can get away with an ok guitarist or keyboard player, but the drummer has to be first class. Well said Jules :)
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This show wasn't written for drummers, it was written for the general public, who couldn't care less whether a drummer can play a triple paradiddle or whatever. If we choose to have out drum visuals biased towards drummers, then there's always Hudson Music. It was slightly dumb because it needed to be.
Totally agree... and for the "general" public likely to watch this documentary, it painted a realistic picture, without entering into (boring) details, such as technique, etc. ...but they did talk about drum solo!!! ...lol

(I liked Tommy Lee's comment "where are they going?!?... its the best part of the solo")

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Another part of a vid I enjoyed - where Tommy Lee is air drumming When the Levee Breaks and then the original is seamlessly fast faded in. Nice tempo, Tommy.
Yes, me too ....very cool, I was impressed :)

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Jules Holland's quote said it all early in the program. He states, you can get away with an ok guitarist or keyboard player, but the drummer has to be first class. Well said Jules :)
Agree, it echoes Sting's comment "A band's only as good as its drummer", I thought it was accurate :)

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There you go!!! ...fun is the word :)
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I know what fun is. I also know what bad manners are. Good manners are rooted in consideration for others. Casual, repetitive piss-taking is not good manners. No "hatred" and "ostracism" involved, no "political correctness" - just bad manners.

Jumping at an easy target for a cheap laugh at their expense ... I don't see what's funny.
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What I see that's funny is that they're NOT TRUE. That's what makes all those kinds of jokes funny. Drummers are so frequently the Together ones in the band, so much so that I think I could probably count all the truly deserving of the drummer jokes on one hand, if that. Every single profession has jokes like that.

Another thing I liked about the doc was that all the people interviewed had anywhere from a little to plenty self-deprecating humor, and they could roll with the barbs. Roger Taylor knows, even though there are jokes that say so, that it really doesn't take he and 99 of his drummer pals to screw in a lightbulb.

We are drummers. It's not an ethnicity. It's not a skin color. It is ability to play a musical instrument. I can screw in a lightbulb myself, and I know that. I also know that my drums can speak for themselves, and often do. And I always hear the best drummer jokes from fellow drummers.
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What I see that's funny is that they're NOT TRUE. That's what makes all those kinds of jokes funny. Drummers are so frequently the Together ones in the band, so much so that I think I could probably count all the truly deserving of the drummer jokes on one hand, if that. Every single profession has jokes like that.

Another thing I liked about the doc was that all the people interviewed had anywhere from a little to plenty self-deprecating humor, and they could roll with the barbs. Roger Taylor knows, even though there are jokes that say so, that it really doesn't take he and 99 of his drummer pals to screw in a lightbulb.

We are drummers. It's not an ethnicity. It's not a skin color. It is ability to play a musical instrument. I can screw in a lightbulb myself, and I know that. I also know that my drums can speak for themselves, and often do. And I always hear the best drummer jokes from fellow drummers.
Mikey, you have resume all this aspect of "drummers jokes" to a tee, a perfect post regarding that "hot" subject being discussed in this thread :)
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Thanks for the support Daisy. No one must be sick of the jokes as much as me I guess. Except my girl Daisy. I go into a lot of detail about how I feel here, but outwardly, all I'm saying is if someone tosses me a drummer joke, my whole agenda is about the snappy comeback. Instead of just laughing it off, I am encouraging a smile, with a witty comment designed to give the person a more powerful taste of their own medicine, and let them deal with being the butt. That's all. I wouldn't get all wacky over it like I am here, I would just cut into them right back, that's all. Just offer a snappy comeback, maybe even get a little personal to make a point, perhaps ridiculing a clothing choice, hairstyle, or something of the like. That's all I am saying. Hey it's all a joke anyway, right? I just want to reverse positions with the D-bag, and let him squirm, so I have the upper hand, that's all. That would make me feel good to fire something right back. One small step for a drummer, one giant leap for drumming-kind, that's what I'm talking about.

Long live the snappy comeback. Just as useful as the single stroke, the double stroke and the flam. Drummers should have a whole arsenal of snappy comebacks. Perhaps I'll write a book. Any suggestions?
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I know what fun is. I also know what bad manners are. Good manners are rooted in consideration for others. Casual, repetitive piss-taking is not good manners. No "hatred" and "ostracism" involved, no "political correctness" - just bad manners.

Jumping at an easy target for a cheap laugh at their expense ... I don't see what's funny.
Are you an easy target???? I am a drummer, also, and I do not see myself as an easy target at all. Why would you assume that because someone cracks a drummer joke it is aimed at you personally?
Jokes, in my opinion, are merely banter. If you give banter you have to take it. None of it is malicious. If you feel it is, you hang with the wrong people, or your skin is too thin.
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... for the title or the content :)

The title... "I'm a drummer, what's your excuse?"

The preface... written by Daisy from Drummerworld :)

The content... ask Grea :)




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There is a problem though...drummers aren't a gender , race or nationality.
You guys are really comparing what , people of colour , woman and jews, have gone through...... with ....drummers ??????
What about colorless people, have they always had it good or? I didn't see anyone mention "people of colour , woman and jews,", so are you suggesting that only colorless males can be racist? And what is with the racist "people of colour" comment anyway, are blond, brunette, and red heads devoid of color? How about those with blue, green, gray, brown, and hazle eyes? As a matter of fact, I would even venture to say so called colorless people seem to come in many colorful arrangements.

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You guys are really comparing what , people of colour , woman and jews, have gone through...... with ....drummers ??????
yeah. that is a little heavy ---- and in the past. this is 2012.
i'm colourless - er scottish decent and we were prejuidiced against by the english. i don't gripe. that was great great great grandad's problems.

the fact is any group of people set aside and lumped together and given a rough time in any way due to something arbitrary like race creed religion or ... choice of insrument, that is just wrong. but yeah at least guitarists are not wearing sheets and burning crosses in our front yards.

and at the end of the day - humans rip into things 9/10 out of jealousy. they all know we chose the coolest instrument.
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yeah. that is a little heavy ---- and in the past. this is 2012.
i'm colourless - er scottish decent and we were prejuidiced against by the english. i don't gripe. that was great great great grandad's problems.

the fact is any group of people set aside and lumped together and given a rough time in any way due to something arbitrary like race creed religion or ... choice of insrument, that is just wrong. but yeah at least guitarists are not wearing sheets and burning crosses in our front yards.

and at the end of the day - humans rip into things 9/10 out of jealousy. they all know we chose the coolest instrument.
How did this degenerate into a "can you take a joke or not" thread?

There seems to be a measure of "Victim culture" in this. I am a drummer so I have to feel like a persecuted minority? What the!!!!! People are not jealous because we are drummers, they don't care, and neither do I. I play the drums cos I like it and If I could think of a good drummer joke, myself, I would tell it to my friends and they would laugh. Not at me, cos I am a drummer, but at the joke, If it was funny.
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Despite being on this side of the pond, I've generally liked UK humor, even as a kid.
Benny Hill, Monty Pylon, Douglas Adams.

So I guess it's why I liked this too. LOL.

"I'm a lumber jack and I'm ok..."
You, sir, are the exception that proves the rule... There's always one. On a trip to LA, I stood in the middle of the Hollywood bowl, reciting the albatross sketch for my daughters, and the tour guide got that too. See, it's not lost on all of you.... ;0)
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How did this degenerate into a "can you take a joke or not" thread?

There seems to be a measure of "Victim culture" in this. I am a drummer so I have to feel like a persecuted minority? What the!!!!! People are not jealous because we are drummers, they don't care, and neither do I. I play the drums cos I like it and If I could think of a good drummer joke, myself, I would tell it to my friends and they would laugh. Not at me, cos I am a drummer, but at the joke, If it was funny.
so you - er - didn't get my tongue in cheek.
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You, sir, are the exception that proves the rule... There's always one. On a trip to LA, I stood in the middle of the Hollywood bowl, reciting the albatross sketch for my daughters, and the tour guide got that too. See, it's not lost on all of you.... ;0)
Actually,you may be surprised how many Americans love British humor.My introduction to it was in the early 70's,watching Monty Python and Benny Hill reruns on public TV on Sunday nights.

I'm also a huge Peter Sellers fan,since seeing Dr.Strangelove,and Blake Edwards Pink Panther movies.Inspector Jacques Clouseau and Herbert Loms portayal of Chief inspector Dreyfus is some of funniest stuff I have ever seen.on either side of the pond.

C'mon really. Clouseau:"Messieur,does your dog bite?

Clerk:"No,my dog does not bite

Clouseau:pets dog,gets bitten."I thought you said your dog does not bite"

Clerk:"Messieur......that is not my dog."

Priceless.Monty Python...the Bureau of silly walks,and the Dead Parrot skit

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I think I might have a little chat with the wall - get the same result. I think the joke about how with drum machines you only have to punch the information in once seems to have some merit.
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I think drummers were depicted just right for the most part. I didn't feel attacked in the least. Some drummers are ok sitting in the shadows, while others spend their days trying to be noticed. Some in positive ways, and some in destructive ways. They pretty much talked about how important we were through the whole program. Worked for me.
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I think I might have a little chat with the wall - get the same result. I think the joke about how with drum machines you only have to punch the information in once seems to have some merit.
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OP Thanks for that.
Overall I'm glad to see the drummers get some attention. I would guess that NONE of the 6 episodes in the series feature "the bassist" lol.

I have to agree it was full of cliches, and spent WAY too much time on Moons and Bonham's excesses and deaths, which are not what drums are about.
On the up-side It emphasized the foundations, that was as strong point.

How great it would be to have every band you've ever been in hear Stings' quote at 1:45..."you're only as good as your drummer....any band is only as good as its drummer".
That is what to take away from this flick.
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Actually,you may be surprised how many Americans love British humor.My introduction to it was in the early 70's,watching Monty Python and Benny Hill reruns on public TV on Sunday nights.

I'm also a huge Peter Sellers fan,since seeing Dr.Strangelove,and Blake Edwards Pink Panther movies.Inspector Jacques Clouseau and Herbert Loms portayal of Chief inspector Dreyfus is some of funniest stuff I have ever seen.on either side of the pond.

C'mon really. Clouseau:"Messieur,does your dog bite?

Clerk:"No,my dog does not bite

Clouseau:pets dog,gets bitten."I thought you said your dog does not bite"

Clerk:"Messieur......that is not my dog."

Priceless.Monty Python...the Bureau of silly walks,and the Dead Parrot skit

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Ah Steve, so you're the other one ;0)
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Actually,you may be surprised how many Americans love British humor.My introduction to it was in the early 70's,watching Monty Python and Benny Hill reruns on public TV on Sunday nights.

I'm also a huge Peter Sellers fan,since seeing Dr.Strangelove,and Blake Edwards Pink Panther movies.Inspector Jacques Clouseau and Herbert Loms portayal of Chief inspector Dreyfus is some of funniest stuff I have ever seen.on either side of the pond.

C'mon really. Clouseau:"Messieur,does your dog bite?

Clerk:"No,my dog does not bite

Clouseau:pets dog,gets bitten."I thought you said your dog does not bite"

Clerk:"Messieur......that is not my dog."

Priceless.Monty Python...the Bureau of silly walks,and the Dead Parrot skit

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I thought this was great!!! I see a lot of comments on here saying they'd rather the documentary be done BY drummers, but hey look at it this way, we're not in this business to impress "other drummers" or just playing and performing "other drummers", so the opinions of non-drummers and even non-musicians is extremely important. Yes it was a bit comical and stereotypical but hey all stereotypes are based in at least "some" truth. I think this a great docuntary for non-musicians to learn something about drummers. I loved the short interviews with a lot of different drummers. I loved them quoting John Densmore on his theory of drums bringing us as humans back to that most primal of musical concepts; the beat. The part where they got to John Bonham and Keith Moon's death was very touching, and talking about Jason Bonhams rise and his eventually playing for Led Zeppelin, the scenes they show of him playing with band are very heart warming and make you proud of him. All in all, makes me proud to be a drummer, and I shared this on my facebook page telling all my fb friends that this is a great documentary for non-drummers and non-musicians to watch. Good job BBC.
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