Music's deadliest genre

Not a bad suggestion, but I don't imagine that performance analysis is very beautiful.

For some people beauty resides in nothingness, one might claim that a devotion to the impossible is an expression of pure beauty.

Most funeral doom lyrics I've read have dealt with wishing to resolve personal conflict, usually focalized from the perspective of emptiness and despair.

The music itself tends to be very minimalistic, but with tons of atmosphere.

The downside is that in order to perfect that kind of music, you usually need some serious stuff going on for inspiration.

Just checked out some funeral doom. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FG1J7HhTZE

Very strange music! I liked the start, which would be perfectly suited to a horror film score. Is it possible to be more gothic? I think not. The growls didn't annoy me the way metal growls normally do because they just came across like weird keyboard effects as much as anything. Later on it just sounded like modern Black Sabbath augmented by a keyboard choir.

All that poignant Nordic melancholy (that's what too much crap weather will do to you). I don't think I could handle a regular diet of that music - it really is wrist-slashing stuff. I concede it's much more beautiful than business analysis ... but, then again, everything is :)
 
I wonder when an instructional DVD of this style will be released. Title: "Fills for the Modern Doomer"?
 
Just checked out some funeral doom. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FG1J7HhTZE

Very strange music! I liked the start, which would be perfectly suited to a horror film score. Is it possible to be more gothic? I think not. The growls didn't annoy me the way metal growls normally do because they just came across like weird keyboard effects as much as anything. Later on it just sounded like modern Black Sabbath augmented by a keyboard choir.

All that poignant Nordic melancholy (that's what too much crap weather will do to you). I don't think I could handle a regular diet of that music - it really is wrist-slashing stuff. I concede it's much more beautiful than business analysis ... but, then again, everything is :)

Very cool you actually searched for some of it, it's very different most commercial music (and even metal for that matter).

This is a personal favorite, don't feel obliged to listen to it but it is relatively different to the link you posted, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gcVuFh5c00

I also agree on not being able to regularly listen to it. I can't have it playing 24/7, it is very oppressive, and relating back to the thread, it's plain to see why there are so many genre suicides.

On the topic of the Scandinavian weather, I have no doubt it is in part responsible for the depressive metal scene. On the flip-side I'd say it would be a fair explanation for why Jamaica produces so much upbeat music.
 
I wonder when an instructional DVD of this style will be released. Title: "Fills for the Modern Doomer"?

That idea has potential, though I'd imagine it would be very boring to watch. I incorporate these kind of styles into my drumming, and let me tell you it can be quite a challenge holding a sub 40bpm tempo.
 
Drinking half a bottle of cough syrup before practicing would probably due the trick.
 

Very cool you actually searched for some of it, it's very different most commercial music (and even metal for that matter).

This is a personal favorite, don't feel obliged to listen to it but it is relatively different to the link you posted, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gcVuFh5c00

Wow. I love some dark depressing music, but that stuff even goes to far for me.

To the OP, I largely agree with Grunterdad. There are far more drug users who are not musicians, they just don't get the press.

I never really got into grudge, and most of it I can't stand, although I am a fan of Alice in Chains and own all their albums, so go figure. I just hate the the media at large calls Kurt Cobain the leader of my generation. I never liked the guy.
 
This is a personal favorite, don't feel obliged to listen to it but it is relatively different to the link you posted, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gcVuFh5c00

I also agree on not being able to regularly listen to it. I can't have it playing 24/7, it is very oppressive, and relating back to the thread, it's plain to see why there are so many genre suicides

Hoo boy. Another tune that puts the "go" into "gothic". On the plus side, this is not music a person could play when wearing a Hawaiian shirt, and that can only be a good thing :)

Interesting that the players seem to be playing Russian Roulette with their emotional state by specialising in that genre.


Wow. I love some dark depressing music, but that stuff even goes to far for me.

I know what you mean. I've put up with depression all my life (done the meds, have the post card) and I have a soft spot for dark music. When you have the blues, dark music is calming. It feels a bit like talking with someone who says, "Yeah, I get it".

It's weird the way music is becoming so specialised, perhaps it's a reflection of - as I said in another thread - the increasingly Taylorist world in which we live ... this person puts on the bolt, this person tightens the bolt, this one sprays on the lacquer that holds the bolt on, etc. It ain't natural. Humans are natural polymaths - we can do so much - yet we're forced into these little boxes. And we buy into it! (or maybe can't fight city hall)

I mean, why should bands just play doom? Why not skip the metal side at times and do something ambient, or in other songs pick up the tempo and vibe - even if just a little. I've played really dark music before - and loved it - but it always had a touch of cynical amusement in there as well.

I've attached a track from my old gothic/weird band and I remember doing a major ham up of dramatic heavy parts and getting our guitarist to crack up. Everything we did was dark. We even managed to darken The Beatles's Birthday :) But it was always eclectic. I really miss the eclecticism of the old bands.

The attached recording was from a rehearsal on a cheap cassette player in 1980, converted to MP3 about 10 years ago, so the sound quality is iffy.

We should start a post in the Your Playing area - "Post Your Dark, Depressing Music" :)
 

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Does no one remember during the jazz era when players did heroin all the time? Artists of every genre have strung themselves out, and I don't think it really has anything to do with the music.

Artists by their very nature are un-stable. Look at 'em: they can't hold regular jobs and they're so busy looking inwards, they don't know how to behave. When they do have to do something regular, they're miserable. So in all actuality, you take an artist where everything is based on creativity and the act of always creating something, and then you put them into the business of music, which they have to do these shows which, like a good movie, just keeps playing over and over. It takes a certain person who can balance that. I would imagine being in a rock and roll band or some pop project doesn't leave any room for creativity once it gets rolling, eh?
 
I am truly amazed that there are so many musicians still alive who played in the 1960s and 1970s, based on the lifestyles they lived. Some are in their late 60s and 70s and still touring. Many of them are vegetarians now and don't drink or smoke anymore. But the reality is that the first wave of rock n rollers are going to pass away in the next 5-10 years.

The ones who died are more famous than the ones who are still alive.
 
Does no one remember during the jazz era when players did heroin all the time? Artists of every genre have strung themselves out, and I don't think it really has anything to do with the music.

Artists by their very nature are un-stable. Look at 'em: they can't hold regular jobs and they're so busy looking inwards, they don't know how to behave. When they do have to do something regular, they're miserable. So in all actuality, you take an artist where everything is based on creativity and the act of always creating something, and then you put them into the business of music, which they have to do these shows which, like a good movie, just keeps playing over and over. It takes a certain person who can balance that. I would imagine being in a rock and roll band or some pop project doesn't leave any room for creativity once it gets rolling, eh?

I don't buy the tortured artist stereotype. There are plenty of incredibly creative, productive artists with stable, mature personalities who provide us with decades of work. You just don't hear about them as much because the screw-ups get all of the attention for their "interesting personalities."

Dying of a drug overdose is a disgrace.
 
I am truly amazed that there are so many musicians still alive who played in the 1960s and 1970s, based on the lifestyles they lived. Some are in their late 60s and 70s and still touring. Many of them are vegetarians now and don't drink or smoke anymore. But the reality is that the first wave of rock n rollers are going to pass away in the next 5-10 years.

True.

Did anyone else see the movie on Lemmy?

Oh my, how is that man alive? He was diagnosed with diabetes, and yet he still drinks jack and cokes every day, and smokes like a fiend. He makes no effort to take care of himself, but somehow still keeps going.
 
I don't buy the tortured artist stereotype. There are plenty of incredibly creative, productive artists with stable, mature personalities who provide us with decades of work. You just don't hear about them as much because the screw-ups get all of the attention for their "interesting personalities."

That's true, but creative people find their fuel in different places. Some simply tap into the joy of discovery like a child all their lives. Then they pragmatically deal with the drudgery side of the business. Others are driven by their demons.

As you intimated, plenty have gone off the rails to live up to the clichés, but scratch the surface and you'll find some dark stuff that prevents them from seeing the folly of what they're doing.

DED, where's that thread?? :)

Bo said:
Look at 'em: they can't hold regular jobs and they're so busy looking inwards, they don't know how to behave.

Agree with Larry - good pickup.
 
That's true, but creative people find their fuel in different places. Some simply tap into the joy of discovery like a child all their lives. Then they pragmatically deal with the drudgery side of the business. Others are driven by their demons.

As you intimated, plenty have gone off the rails to live up to the clichés, but scratch the surface and you'll find some dark stuff that prevents them from seeing the folly of what they're doing.

DED, where's that thread?? :)

Agree with Larry - good pickup.

Good points. People with self-destructive urges, I've noticed, tend to produce a certain kind of work. Those urges color their creativity and they've produced some very enduring art that way.
 
Good points. People with self-destructive urges, I've noticed, tend to produce a certain kind of work. Those urges color their creativity and they've produced some very enduring art that way.

Yes, the art often endures long after the artist. What we make of that art is the important question to me? A simple portrait of a tortured soul? A cautionary tale? An inspiration to indulge our own demons? Or simply a glimpse at a way of seeing things we might never have seen or considered before?

It's powerful, that's for certain.
 
Good points. People with self-destructive urges, I've noticed, tend to produce a certain kind of work. Those urges color their creativity and they've produced some very enduring art that way.

It seems.

Every time I watch a special on VH-1 about a band, almost every time you hear the term "tortured soul" or "personal demons" to describe the song writer(s).

I know an experienced producer, and one day he told every singer he's worked with either comes from a messed up back ground (inspiration) or is just so level headed they can let the music flow. In his opinion, there is no middle ground.
 
It seems.

Every time I watch a special on VH-1 about a band, almost every time you hear the term "tortured soul" or "personal demons" to describe the song writer(s).

I know an experienced producer, and one day he told every singer he's worked with either comes from a messed up back ground (inspiration) or is just so level headed they can let the music flow. In his opinion, there is no middle ground.

The thead about Joe Morello is a good contrast. He died at 82, giving us decades of great work and inspiration, in contrast to someone who dies of a drug overdose in their 20s or 30. Part of me laughs at the stupidity of it. Yet not many film makers seem interested in stories about people who live productive, stable lives.
 
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