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Old 05-15-2018, 09:35 PM
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With 4" painters tape, my SS doesn't sound dead at all.
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:08 PM
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With 4" painters tape, my SS doesn't sound dead at all.
Of course it does... That's what it's literally designed for, sounding dead and not being loud. Damping it more (with huge tape) might make the nasty high overtones from those heads take a back seat but you're not really adding tone, nor are you giving it more resonance; the opposite, in fact.

If you were to play against any sort of music your toms would not be heard by anyone except perhaps yourself.

I'm unsure why you're fighting the concept and trying to make them be something they aren't.
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:22 AM
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There are no overtones with SS heads and the tape isn't for damping.
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:50 AM
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There are no overtones with SS heads and the tape isn't for damping.
Well, there can be. I've heard them, I sat down at a kit in a teaching studio that had them just recently. I guess it depends on what drum and the other head tuning as well, but the SS take the body out of everything and all I hear really left are some slight overtones and the attack of the stick. Probably most of what I'm hearing are the tones from the reso head, and they certainly don't last long due to the SS killing the sympathetic head response.

What's the tape for if it doesn't damp the head? I was in fact very surprised to hear someone would put anything on those heads. As you mention, on their own, they're a very dead thud sound.
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Old 05-16-2018, 01:54 AM
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Here you go.

Works like gangbusters. Can't believe Remo doesn't offer heads with this type of mod built in.
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Old 05-16-2018, 02:16 AM
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That does work great. Sometimes the Silentstrokes do their job too well and this really livens them up just enough.
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Old 05-16-2018, 02:37 AM
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I was extremely disappointed with them until I discovered that.

That make virtually no sound on their own.
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:15 AM
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Actually this tape on silent stroke heads idea might be useful if I wanted to use my home practice kit at a gig without changing the drum heads. But it would have to be a gig that requires a very quiet set of drums.

I use silent stroke heads so that I don't annoy my neighbors when I practice at home. Gee, I learned I can put tape on my silent drum heads, make them sound a little better and annoy my neighbors. COOL. Thanks MasterBlaster! LOL


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Old 05-16-2018, 04:01 AM
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I plan on giving the low volume cymbals the same treatment, see if it works. It may not.

The tape doesn't make them THAT loud, Jim. I was banging on then at 11 PM last night, no problemo.

I don't use the SS kick head - I use the Vic Firth kick mute for that.
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Old 05-18-2018, 12:13 AM
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Why in the world would a such a high-end company like Sonor put the seam in such a visible place? Why not the bottom???

Is this normal?
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Old 05-18-2018, 07:43 AM
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IMO this a a failure (and a big one).
And the finish is awful, but just personal taste.
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Old 05-18-2018, 07:59 AM
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You mean the seam?

I don't care about the finish - are seams like this on all their wraps?
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Old 05-25-2018, 04:42 AM
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How about concert toms - are they strictly louder and that's about it?

I assume by the name it means volume and a lot of it.

Why does a drummer want a full kit of concert toms?
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Old 05-25-2018, 05:11 AM
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You mean the seam?

I don't care about the finish - are seams like this on all their wraps?
Some seams are butted together like the on above and some are overlapped maybe 1/4 to 1/2 inch.
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Old 05-25-2018, 05:39 AM
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But don't they put that on the bottom? Or are there more than one seam?
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Old 05-25-2018, 06:56 AM
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More likely it's not a wrap and it's an outer ply of burl for aesthetics. I'm guessing the seam location is a (costly) mistake, at least to me. I'd consider that kick B stock. Putting the outer ply seam at the bottom is elementary, and I'd expect more attention to detail from a high end Sonor.
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:01 AM
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Isn't an 'outer ply of burl' a wrap? I mean, it's a veneer, right? Isn't a veneer wrapped around a shell?
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:04 AM
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Isn't an 'outer ply of burl' a wrap? I mean, it's a veneer, right? Isn't a veneer wrapped around a shell?
Well, then aren't all plywood drums just a series of wraps beyond the first ply?

I'm not incredibly well versed in Sonor's construction methods, but I'd wager it's bit more intensive than just slapping a burl veneer on an otherwise finished shell. The outer ply is probably as integrated in the construction as all of the rest.
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:16 AM
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I thought they used Alpi veneers, but I'm not knowledgeable enough with their gear to definitively say they do. It almost looks like a reverse book-matched veneer.
Either way though, you would think the seem would be on the bottom.
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:23 AM
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Personally I kind of like the mirror-image effect in the grain match up there.

Seems intentional to me. If it were me, I'd put a thin strip of black or chrome there to really enhance the effect.

I've seen "artisan" tables and wood furniture made with this theme as a main feature... I do see an appeal in the nature-assisted artistic expression kind of way.
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:30 AM
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Personally I kind of like the mirror-image effect in the grain match up there.

Seems intentional to me. If it were me, I'd put a thin strip of black or chrome there to really enhance the effect.

I've seen "artisan" tables and wood furniture made with this theme as a main feature... I do see an appeal in the nature-assisted artistic expression kind of way.
Then put it right on top dead center to make it completely symmetrical.
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The mirror image is book-matched, but the colors are reversed. I'll try to attach a pic of a book-match.
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:38 AM
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I'd be spitting nails if I ordered it and it showed up looking like that.
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:21 PM
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Why, on a 1 up 1 down kit, is the mounted tom always in front of the snare and not the FT? I mean, if it was 2 Up - that 2nd tom would be in that position anyway - so it must be just fine having a tom there.

To my way of thinking the MT should be in front of the FT, like the drummer in my garage band has it set up.

If ya'll say it's so the ride cymbal can be on the right, why can't it be on the left instead?
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By having the ride on the right, it opens up the body to make the right and left hands equidistant to all parts.
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:50 PM
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Personally I kind of like the mirror-image effect in the grain match up there.

Seems intentional to me. If it were me, I'd put a thin strip of black or chrome there to really enhance the effect.

I've seen "artisan" tables and wood furniture made with this theme as a main feature... I do see an appeal in the nature-assisted artistic expression kind of way.
A lot of the woodworking I do shows lumber resawn to get the mirror image rather than use two different cuts of wood. They use a lot of live edge lumber and cut it vertically to keep the live edge on both sides with the grain match in the center.
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Why, on a 1 up 1 down kit, is the mounted tom always in front of the snare and not the FT? I mean, if it was 2 Up - that 2nd tom would be in that position anyway - so it must be just fine having a tom there.

To my way of thinking the MT should be in front of the FT, like the drummer in my garage band has it set up.

If ya'll say it's so the ride cymbal can be on the right, why can't it be on the left instead?
Anyone can place anything in any place they want. There's no shortage of people doing hings different than the typical 5-piece in an ad setup.

Plenty people have a ride on the left. All the open handed players do. Some have both, one on each side. I don't really need it, but on my practie kit I usually have it there to work open handed and help my left hand French grip.

My guess is that the guy in your pic doesn't do a lot of jazz paying with comping on his rack tom.

There is no right way. There the way that works for you and how you play.

The whole idea of a 4-piece and jazz is to get things close comfortable. You drag the ride close to a flat and comfortable position because that's the main instrument in that situation. With some work you can get it to a good place on a bigger kit, but not quite as comfy and being constantly on the ride you will have hold your arm up and put a lot of strain on your shoulder. Drsg it in and it's as comfy as playing on the snare.
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Then put it right on top dead center to make it completely symmetrical.
I guess you're more OCD about it than I. I dig it. Wood grain isn't something that's symmetrical in the first place and as mentioned, I like the odd, reverse mirror effect.
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Old 05-26-2018, 03:23 AM
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My guess is that the guy in your pic doesn't do a lot of jazz paying with comping on his rack tom.
Well, we were like 15 in the early 70's. No jazz, but a lot of Black Sabbath and Led Zepplin.

Kinda close!!!
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Well, we were like 15 in the early 70's. No jazz, but a lot of Black Sabbath and Led Zepplin.

Kinda close!!!
Are you the one hanging your head?
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That's the bass player, twin brother of the drummer - I'm the photographer. He took the next pic with me in it but it's disappeared over the years. Just my luck...

Here's a pic - the two twin brothers are on the bottom, both guitar players are there and I'm wearing the suit... about 15 years later.

The middle guy in the back (RIP Marty!) was a letter carrier who was shot to death on his route - a great guitar player.
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Can I provide a random answer?

In case anyone was wondering, like me, what whale oil beef hooked meant...

Say it fast. It sounds like a familiar swear expression. With an Irish accent.
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Why, on a 1 up 1 down kit, is the mounted tom always in front of the snare ... To my way of thinking the MT should be in front of the FT .... why can't it be on the left instead?
Torry Castelano sets hers up that way.
You can even hang your rack tom next to your floor tom, or above your floor toms.
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Interesting... she seems like a wise gal!
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I've never seen this before! Great idea!!!
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Can I provide a random answer?

In case anyone was wondering, like me, what whale oil beef hooked meant...

Say it fast. It sounds like a familiar swear expression. With an Irish accent.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! Took me a minute, didnt want to ask but was super curious! Nice pull Larry!
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! Took me a minute, didnt want to ask but was super curious! Nice pull Larry!
Still, I don’t understand:-(
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You don't want to understand ....
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