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Old 03-30-2018, 10:27 PM
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Default It is damped, not dampened.

I'll be the first to admit I was wrong.

In past discussions and in previous journalistic writings, I have incorrectly used the word dampened, instead of damped.

Damping is what we might do to drum heads with moon gel.

Dampening is what we might do to drums with a wet sponge or a garden hose.

So I went through several articles I have online, here and there, and found a couple of instances where I typed dampened, when it should have been damped. My bad.

A search on this forum for the word dampened brings up a hugely embarrassing long list of posts. There might be a lot of wet kits out there.
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I bite my tongue every time I read that people dampened their toms.
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So you're saying a dampener is a sponge?
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Old 03-30-2018, 11:10 PM
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So you're saying a dampener is a sponge?
Or a fire hose, or a classic zinc claw-footed bathtub.
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Old 03-31-2018, 12:08 AM
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Oh I get it. Dampening is like this..............

https://youtu.be/YmEhmKN2AMM


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Old 03-31-2018, 12:49 AM
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Examples Word Origin Dampened
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verb (used with object)
1.
to make damp; moisten:
to dampen a sponge.
2.
to dull or deaden; depress:
to dampen one's spirits.

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damp (def 10).
verb (used without object)
4.
to become damp.
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Old 03-31-2018, 12:54 AM
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I use damped to stuff like moonjel or one of those external mechanical snare dampers.

I use dampening for stuff like....

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Old 03-31-2018, 12:55 AM
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dampen

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I think used in context, everyone knows what we are talking about.

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Makanu Drum Dampeners 6 pieces drum damper gel pads clear Tone Control drum damper

Both are used.
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I think used in context, everyone knows what we are talking about.

From Meinl through Amazon:



Makanu Drum Dampeners 6 pieces drum damper gel pads clear Tone Control drum damper

Both are used.
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Old 03-31-2018, 02:39 AM
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I think you are all wet. Lol
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Damp is an adjective or noun, damp can also be a verb. Damped and dampened are simple past participles. Damp may imply moisture but the past participles don't necessarily imply moisture. Carpeting and padding can provide a dampening effect and can both become damp by moisture, humidity, roof leak, flood or the dog.
Those are my thoughts. BTW, I love wordsmiths.
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I think the word "muffle" should replace the word "dampened".
Moon Gel Mufflers.

( Hey, that's good name for a band. "The Moon Gel Mufflers" )


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Moon gel? It “deadens” the sound seems more appropriate? It “deadens” volume, over tones, intensity , hampers vibrations. But I guess that would not have much commercial appeal if selling a product. Maybe call it drum head loudness control-dang that sounds hi tech like your AV receiver LOL. I wouldn’t worry about it too much cause the English language has already been mutilated
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I usually use "muffling" anyways but uh, I don't think this particular vocab is going to swing back around in the dictionaries' favor. Language is a descriptivist act, and there's no ambiguity to be solved when talking about drums because no one literally makes their drums wetter as a sound choice.

Also, cursorily: "Drum damping" has 1,970 hits across all of Google. "Drum dampening" has 42,800. ("Drum muffling" has 33,900.)
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............."Drum damping" has 1,970 hits across all of Google. "Drum dampening" has 42,800. ("Drum muffling" has 33,900.)
Interesting stats, thank you!
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Well I'll be damped.
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It’s a level of pedantry that I’d ordinarily love to engage you with over numerous libations at a bar somewhere.

Unfortunately this one is an argument where the Oxford dictionary vehemently disagrees with you. And so do I.

“Dampened” is a perfectly acceptable term for an affect on a drum head. And water need not be involved.
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Definition of libation:


1 a : an act of pouring a liquid as a sacrifice (as to a deity) They offered a libation at the temple.
b : a liquid (such as wine) used in a libation
2 a : an act or instance of drinking often ceremoniously a libation to celebrate their anniversary
b : beverage; especially : a drink containing alcohol His favorite libation is scotch on the rocks.
— libationary play \lī-ˈbā-shə-ˌner-ē\ adjective

Nice word Jules. I had to look it up. Smart Feller, you are. Or fart smeller, one of those.
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So apparently, adding water dries out the sound, yet I prefer a wet sound that has zero dampening applied. Just call me Mr. Moist ;)
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So apparently, adding water dries out the sound, yet I prefer a wet sound that has zero dampening applied. Just call me Mr. Moist ;)
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Love that dry British sense of humor, laughed so hard I cried on my snare head, really dampeneded out the sound.
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It’s a level of pedantry that I’d ordinarily love to engage you with over numerous libations at a bar somewhere.

Unfortunately this one is an argument where the Oxford dictionary vehemently disagrees with you. And so do I.

“Dampened” is a perfectly acceptable term for an affect on a drum head. And water need not be involved.
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Language is a descriptivist act ...
No, it’s not. (Please forgive my bluntness.)

Language isn’t an “act” of any kind, because “language” (the word) is a noun, and “act” is ... what? ... Wait. It’s a noun, too? Well, that’s just peachy.

I had a point! And off it went, blown away by facts unbidden and unwanted.

You’d never know, but I’m a real-life, grouchy, haggard, smarty-pants, annoyingly pedantic, often-incorrect-and-happy-to-admit-it copy editor (daily print journalism, mainly, although not so much since the industry-wide Big FU a few years ago), and generally a damned good one (endless parentheticals notwithstanding), and now look what I’ve done. I’ll post it anyway, share my humiliation with the forum. It’s what I deserve.

Anyhoo ... language isn’t an act. And “descriptivist” doesn’t mean what you probably think it means, and what I thought it meant before I looked it up. By using “descriptivist,” rather than “descriptive,” you introduced a philosophical term relating to “ethical and aesthetic terms and statements” blah blah blah. But I got your meaning! And learned a new definition, too. Gold star day!

Sorry if I sound like a huge snark-ass! I’m really just very drowsy and thinking out loud. I love conversations about word usage, and I have an odd sense of humor, so please don’t take me too seriously when I ramble away!

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No, it’s not. (Please forgive my bluntness.)

Language isn’t an “act” of any kind, because “language” (the word) is a noun, and “act” is ... what? ... Wait. It’s a noun, too? Well, that’s just peachy.

I had a point! And off it went, blown away by facts unbidden and unwanted.

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Interpreting (or analyzing) language can be a descriptivist activity.
Using language to describe something is a descriptive act.
Whether written or spoken, language is a noun.
Speaking, interpreting, analyzing, or using imply action, and are verbs.

Don't muddy the issue - ha ha.

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We struggle over the same "damped/dampened" issue on the various classic audio forums. "Dampening" a woofer is not a good idea!

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Yes, indeed! This was something I came across and cringed at all too often during my days in drumhead development. The urge to create a self-moistening drumhead for April Fools day that had "built-in dampening" was always strong.

This year, I resorted to alternative means of damping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Nt8-qoZ5s
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