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Old 07-20-2018, 06:44 PM
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Sounds like your "Next Stage Custom" is a PDP Concept Maple/Birch. Graduated counter hoops, fine pitch tension rods, DW style tom suspension, Mag throw off, tons of pre-packaged configurations, tons of other size options, tons of different finishes, and similar pricing to the Yamaha Stage Custom.
... painted hoops? Nope.

I really am annoying a lot of people for saying a painted hoops is an important factor for me because it's so easily replaceable. Only bad thing is nobody in my area is selling any fully painted hoops in a 22" size. Nobody. Not even stores. So I really am looking for a kit with fully painted hoops like the Decade Maple BUT that has 2 holes in the kick drum so it will look pretty damn strange when I remove the tom mounts. Why not put 1?

The only kit with painted hoops under 1200 euros is the Decade Maple.
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... painted hoops? Nope.

I really am annoying a lot of people for saying a painted hoops is an important factor for me because it's so easily replaceable. Only bad thing is nobody in my area is selling any fully painted hoops in a 22" size. Nobody. Not even stores. So I really am looking for a kit with fully painted hoops like the Decade Maple BUT that has 2 holes in the kick drum so it will look pretty damn strange when I remove the tom mounts. Why not put 1?

The only kit with painted hoops under 1200 euros is the Decade Maple.
Just out of curiosity... What make and model car do you drive?
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... painted hoops? Nope.
I'm standing in front of a SC right now and the BD hoop is finished with the same stain and poly coat as the kit.

Are you talking about the inside circumference of the hoop or something? In a world of $500 kits with Aluminum, plastic and ribbon-wrapped wooden hoops...... The natural-finish inner circumference is your holdup? Correct?


What is Italian for a spray paint "rattle can"? Barattolo?
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Just get the natural finish kit, then the hoops ARE matching inside and out!

Problem solved!
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Just get the natural finish kit, then the hoops ARE matching inside and out!

Problem solved!


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It means if Pearl can make 3 new finishes, more limited edition finishes and start colouring their hoops without raising the price by 1 cent, Yamaha could paint their damn hoops and give us at least 2 more lacquer finishes.
Or it could mean that Pearl is losing sales to Yamaha, and has to do something to attract more buyers, even if that means making less on each sale.

I have no idea if that is true, but there are many possible explanations for why companies do what they do. Unless you or I work for Pearl, we have no idea what the impact of that decision is, financially or otherwise.
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... painted hoops? Nope.

I really am annoying a lot of people for saying a painted hoops is an important factor for me because it's so easily replaceable. Only bad thing is nobody in my area is selling any fully painted hoops in a 22" size. Nobody. Not even stores. So I really am looking for a kit with fully painted hoops like the Decade Maple BUT that has 2 holes in the kick drum so it will look pretty damn strange when I remove the tom mounts. Why not put 1?

The only kit with painted hoops under 1200 euros is the Decade Maple.
You can get a cover plate from Pearl to cover those holes for the Tom mounts if it perturbes your sensibilities.
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Certain configurations of the Decade Maple come with a "virgin" bass drum. The ones that come with the mount don't actually have big holes through the bass drum. Just 4 mounting holes for the tom mount holder. The pipes aren't designed to go through the shell.
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Old 07-21-2018, 07:51 AM
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Certain configurations of the Decade Maple come with a "virgin" bass drum. The ones that come with the mount don't actually have big holes through the bass drum. Just 4 mounting holes for the tom mount holder. The pipes aren't designed to go through the shell.
I want to believe you, but to my knowledge this would be a first for Pearl. I don't see any way to adjust the up/down on the tom holder otherwise. If this truly is a feature on the Decade Maple, this should absolutely be a feature on the more expensive lines as well.


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Old 07-21-2018, 03:58 PM
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The 24" decade maple bass drum has no tom mount:

http://pearldrum.com/products/kits/d...configurations
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Just out of curiosity... What make and model car do you drive?
Ummm...why? I don't see how cars correlate to drums.
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I'm standing in front of a SC right now and the BD hoop is finished with the same stain and poly coat as the kit.

Are you talking about the inside circumference of the hoop or something? In a world of $500 kits with Aluminum, plastic and ribbon-wrapped wooden hoops...... The natural-finish inner circumference is your holdup? Correct?


What is Italian for a spray paint "rattle can"? Barattolo?
Yes that is my hold up and spray paint is not going to do it for me.
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The 24" decade maple bass drum has no tom mount:

http://pearldrum.com/products/kits/d...configurations
They don't sell them here. Only the 22/20" kicks.
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Hi,
I really want to buy Yamaha Stage Custom drums except for the fact that I want to change every single thing about them.
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Old 07-22-2018, 05:42 PM
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I really want to buy Yamaha Stage Custom drums except for the fact that I want to change every single thing about them.
So funny! Someone isn't happy about a drum kit, look at that idiot! Haha!
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Ummm...why? I don't see how cars correlate to drums.
Just wondering if you were able to decide on a car or if your still hoping the next generation of the Hyundai Accent will have all the features of a MB CLK while still priced like a Hyundai.
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Hey, the guy wants what he wants. More power to him. It's all harmless.

We have to watch that we don't become too closed minded. In everything.
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Just wondering if you were able to decide on a car or if your still hoping the next generation of the Hyundai Accent will have all the features of a MB CLK while still priced like a Hyundai.
Sorry man, didn't know painted hoops costed 10000 dollars. My bad.
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Hey, the guy wants what he wants. More power to him. It's all harmless.

We have to watch that we don't become too closed minded. In everything.
Also sorry to you, didn't know wanting painted hoops is being closed minded.
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Also sorry to you, didn't know wanting painted hoops is being closed minded.

Actually I wasn't referring to what you wanted. I was referring to everybody not approving what you wanted. I was sticking up for you.

Thanks for making me regret that.
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Hey, the guy wants what he wants. More power to him. It's all harmless.

We have to watch that we don't become too closed minded. In everything.
It's equally harmless to play Devil's Advocate.

There's a general sentiment on this forum that if you really want certain features on a drum or set, then just save the money. Buy once, cry once. Otherwise you're just going to spend more getting there. Maybe that applies here.

Or maybe you just keep waiting for all of those features to trickle down to the Stage Custom line and you can finally buy some drums in 2033.

OP has been soliciting advice on buying a kit for months. It's to the point where it's like watching somebody on the end of a diving board. Jump or get off.
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It's equally harmless to play Devil's Advocate.

There's a general sentiment on this forum that if you really want certain features on a drum or set, then just save the money. Buy once, cry once. Otherwise you're just going to spend more getting there. Maybe that applies here.

Or maybe you just keep waiting for all of those features to trickle down to the Stage Custom line and you can finally buy some drums in 2033.

OP has been soliciting advice on buying a kit for months. It's to the point where it's like watching somebody on the end of a diving board. Jump or get off.
I remember when I was around 12 years old... I was "planning" on buying a boat. I didn't have money for a boat, nor did I have my parents consent, and I certainly didn't have anywhere to store a boat. At 12, seeing the difference between planning and dreaming is difficult.

I think our OP may be a teenager too. Without the means or practical resources to buy ANY drum kit but his dreaming is still "planning" in his own eyes.
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Old 07-22-2018, 10:39 PM
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I remember when I was around 12 years old... I was "planning" on buying a boat. I didn't have money for a boat, nor did I have my parents consent, and I certainly didn't have anywhere to store a boat. At 12, seeing the difference between planning and dreaming is difficult.
Alternatively, a lot of buyers get caught up in trying to find "the last instrument I will ever buy" rather than "the next kit I will own". They don't realize that "the last kit" typically happens unexpectedly and by accident.

The Two-tone hoop complaint threw me for a loop though. I can see complaining about plastic/aluminum hoops, or even bare hoops... But having a duco-hoop break a purchase because of the aesthetic? That's quite strange to me.
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Actually I wasn't referring to what you wanted. I was referring to everybody not approving what you wanted. I was sticking up for you.

Thanks for making me regret that.

Well it wasn't very evident to me. English isn't my first language so sorry about that.
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I remember when I was around 12 years old... I was "planning" on buying a boat. I didn't have money for a boat, nor did I have my parents consent, and I certainly didn't have anywhere to store a boat. At 12, seeing the difference between planning and dreaming is difficult.

I think our OP may be a teenager too. Without the means or practical resources to buy ANY drum kit but his dreaming is still "planning" in his own eyes.
You're half right here. I am 16y old so yes I am a teenager.


Though, I do have the money and place to put the kit at, and already have an E kit I do not really like. I do grasp the concept of next kit/last kit since I have upgraded many things and have bought into other stuff too. I do not retain this kit will be my last, but if possible I'd like to get the most out of it. Sure there will be more kits in the future for me but if I start out well I won't have to get another kit in a few years.


There's only one solution to this, which is get the Stage Custom Advantage Nouveau. That has birch shells, strange lugs (maybe I'll get some metal ones) and MATCHING HOOPS. How come Yamaha did this with their older kits but not now? The price hasn't changed either.
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Alternatively, a lot of buyers get caught up in trying to find "the last instrument I will ever buy" rather than "the next kit I will own". They don't realize that "the last kit" typically happens unexpectedly and by accident.

The Two-tone hoop complaint threw me for a loop though. I can see complaining about plastic/aluminum hoops, or even bare hoops... But having a duco-hoop break a purchase because of the aesthetic? That's quite strange to me.
It's a personal thing I guess. To every man his own. I see that phrase a lot in this forum but what's the point if you don't know what it means?

To me a kit feels "incomplete" without the painted hoops, I don't know why. Looking at the Yamaha Stage Custom and other expensive kits like the Sonor AQ2, the Sonor looks more pro just because of the hoops. I guess not a lot of people think that but I always look at the hoops first when looking for a kit (which I've been looking at for quite some time).
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You're half right here. I am 16y old so yes I am a teenager.


Though, I do have the money and place to put the kit at, and already have an E kit I do not really like. I do grasp the concept of next kit/last kit since I have upgraded many things and have bought into other stuff too. I do not retain this kit will be my last, but if possible I'd like to get the most out of it. Sure there will be more kits in the future for me but if I start out well I won't have to get another kit in a few years.


There's only one solution to this, which is get the Stage Custom Advantage Nouveau. That has birch shells, strange lugs (maybe I'll get some metal ones) and MATCHING HOOPS. How come Yamaha did this with their older kits but not now? The price hasn't changed either.
Maybe, due to inflation, they had to cut costs a bit more in order to keep the price of the kits (and their profit margin) the same.

Also, I've heard those plastic Stage Custom Nouveau lugs are garbage. And getting the metal ones ain't cheap.
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Maybe, due to inflation, they had to cut costs a bit more in order to keep the price of the kits (and their profit margin) the same.

Also, I've heard those plastic Stage Custom Nouveau lugs are garbage. And getting the metal ones ain't cheap.
Not only are they crap, but since they come off every time heads are changed, they get lost.,

Also, they aren't birch shells, they are birch/falkata/oak/lauan mix.
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There's a good reason the discontinued the plastic lugs.
They either crack or get lost.

Also the shells aren't birch, they are a mix of lauan/birch/falkata or oak/lauan/falkata

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You're half right here. I am 16y old so yes I am a teenager.


Though, I do have the money and place to put the kit at, and already have an E kit I do not really like. I do grasp the concept of next kit/last kit since I have upgraded many things and have bought into other stuff too. I do not retain this kit will be my last, but if possible I'd like to get the most out of it. Sure there will be more kits in the future for me but if I start out well I won't have to get another kit in a few years.


There's only one solution to this, which is get the Stage Custom Advantage Nouveau. That has birch shells, strange lugs (maybe I'll get some metal ones) and MATCHING HOOPS. How come Yamaha did this with their older kits but not now? The price hasn't changed either.
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I think it was 2014 that Yamaha changed the Stage Customs.

If you get 2013 or earlier the hoops are fully stained. The series right before the latest had silver badges instead of the current gold badges.
There's plenty of them available used around here.
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Reviving this thread because I just ran across a post on another forum
of someone who got the newer Stage Customs and stained the hoop:
http://www.drumforum.org/index.php?/...ain/?p=1700123

A couple more posts down, he explains that it was pretty easy to do.
I think they look better like that.
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Reviving this thread because I just ran across a post on another forum
of someone who got the newer Stage Customs and stained the hoop:
http://www.drumforum.org/index.php?/...ain/?p=1700123

A couple more posts down, he explains that it was pretty easy to do.
I think they look better like that.
Could you post pictures? Apparently, I "do not have permission to view this attachment".
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Could you post pictures? Apparently, I "do not have permission to view this attachment".
Neither do I, please post some pics.
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Sorry - it's not my pic, my post, or my kit.

I forgot about the 'attachment' thing.
If you don't sign up at this forum, I don't think you can see the attachments here either.
If it was from this forum, I'd probably be more comfortable posting the pic.

It's not too hard to imagine a black hoop on a bass drum though, is it?
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I have a Stage Custom Birch in the natural finish, and I would also like to finish the hoops. Not sure if I just need to brush on a clear coat or use a light stain first. If anyone would like to offer a suggestion Iím all ears. Otherwise Iíll just brush on some clear coat on a small area to test and see how it turns out.
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Sorry - it's not my pic, my post, or my kit.

I forgot about the 'attachment' thing.
If you don't sign up at this forum, I don't think you can see the attachments here either.
If it was from this forum, I'd probably be more comfortable posting the pic.

It's not too hard to imagine a black hoop on a bass drum though, is it?
I mean, I can imagine it. But you posted that link for a reason... So we could see it. I'm pretty sure there's no issue with posting a picture of a drum that's not yours, so long as you're not profiting from it, and not claiming that it is yours. People post pics of drums that aren't theirs all the time.

Worrying about just posting a picture of someone else's drum is not very "wild" of you. May wanna change your name to "mildbill"
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I mean, I can imagine it. But you posted that link for a reason... So we could see it. I'm pretty sure there's no issue with posting a picture of a drum that's not yours, so long as you're not profiting from it, and not claiming that it is yours. People post pics of drums that aren't theirs all the time.

Worrying about just posting a picture of someone else's drum is not very "wild" of you. May wanna change your name to "mildbill"


Im sorry, but this was friggin hilarious. Im sure its all in good fun. No offense to you wildbill. Was funny tho.

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With popular forums like Facebook nowadays, hopefully it's clear why some sites provide the capability to limit access to specific content including preventing public/anonymous access to it.

It may not seem like a big deal to cross-post that image, but by Bill -not- doing so he's showing respect for the expectations of the registered members there.

Should just need to register on DFO to see the photo. ;-)
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:29 PM
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Default Re: Next Stage Custom?

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Im sorry, but this was friggin hilarious. Im sure its all in good fun. No offense to you wildbill. Was funny tho.

Ymmv.

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Definitely meant in good fun, hahaha
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:33 PM
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With popular forums like Facebook nowadays, hopefully it's clear why some sites provide the capability to limit access to specific content including preventing public/anonymous access to it.

It may not seem like a big deal to cross-post that image, but by Bill -not- doing so he's showing respect for the expectations of the registered members there.

Should just need to register on DFO to see the photo. ;-)
Hogwash. It's a picture of a drum. If anyone on there feels slighted because someone posts it elsewhere and says "look at this, I like it", that person has some pretty serious issues to work through.
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