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Old 06-01-2018, 08:38 AM
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I've had tendonitis in both wrists for year's. At one point I had 2 surgeries in 1999 for my left wrist. Over the years I've gone from no pain at all while playing to a little hear and there. But I find that I'm getting the aching pain in my wrist more often as of late when I play then I have in year's. It's not brutal or anything like that. But it does bother me a bit at times when I play. I actually am not a hard hitter as well. I try to let the mic's do the work as opposed to trying to compete with loud amps on a physical level.

So I'm looking for the best ways to minimize the discomfort that I feel from time to time when I play. I've looked into different types of sticks that absorbe shock and things like that. But so far I have not found any that feel good to both hands. I've thought about maybe trying drum gloves as I've read that helps reduce shock coming from the sticks into the hands. Is there any truth to this? I tried stick wrap but that did not do anything.

Anyone have any tips that can help with this stuff? I'm in a serious band as well as involvement with other musical thing's, so I can't just take a month off and not play. Not to mention that doing other daily life things can make my wrists hurt as well (I also try to find ways around those types of things so I don't have wrist pain. For example I don't shake hands with people because if they grip too tight it hurts my wrists). The tendonitis is an issue I will have to deal with for life, unless some kind of miracle happens. So I just have to find the best ways to deal with it for the long term in every area of my life.

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Old 06-01-2018, 08:56 AM
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Default Re: Impact pain

If you need help staying loose these may help.

https://www.stickpro.com/


Not gonna play doctor, but I assume you have looked into all the exercises, dietary changes and supplements that may help?
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Old 06-01-2018, 01:32 PM
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Sounds like you need to make a visit to your doctor again or maybe a hand specialist. Appears to be more going on here then just drumming related.
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Old 06-01-2018, 02:53 PM
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My amateur internet doctor advice is read all about BPC-157 and/or high dose fish oil, and decide if it's the way you might want to try.
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Old 02-08-2019, 04:22 PM
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Your situation is a difficult one. I feel sorry for you. I have been playing drums for the last 65 years. And for the first time the muscles at the base of my thumbs are beginning to give me some trouble. Probably arthritis.

Drumming is a very physical exercise. And there are many stories of drummers who could not continuing drumming because of some physical limitations or bodily damage. Everybody’s body is different. When I play; the drum sticks are sort of floating in my hands. I direct the motion of the stick and I let the stick hit the drum and vibrate and it transfers only minimal vibration directly to my hand. In theory, I always thought there should be very little vibration transferred from the drum stick to the hand. However, I have noticed that when I play an electronic drum kit with hard rubber pads, for several hours, I feel some discomfort in my hands. This could be due to my age. But when I use the Zildjian Anti-Vibe Drum Sticks it helps ease the discomfort in my hands when playing the electronic kit.

That being said, the only advice I can give you is to change your technique and or change your grip. (Easy for me to say).
I am assuming you play matched grip. Try traditional grip. Even try traditional grip with both hands.

Also read this book. Anatomy of Drumming, by John Lamb. Very good book, and it has a whole section about hand, wrist and fingers.


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Old 02-08-2019, 05:07 PM
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I go through bouts of arthritis at the base of the thumbs (like right now...).

Like Hollywood, I play more on rubber e-drums than anything else lately. During one of my more severe bouts, our pianist recommended Tumeric capsules (must have high levels of Curcumin). I took it for about a month, but can't say I really felt a difference. Then again, not sure about the potency of what I was taking.

Like him, I also keep a very loose grip on the sticks and let the equipment do the work.
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:56 AM
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Try some wrist-strengthening exercises:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lStKMq5Chc

Tendonitis typically is a result of poor strength/mobility in the connective tissue so the best way to fix it is to strengthen and stretch/mobilise it.

Secondly I would look at your technique. Are you over-extending your wrists, say if you're using a French grip? Maybe check out this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvonGvAhE9s

For what it's worth I'm doing a lot of what I call "grip rehab" with my left hand at the moment as I'm trying to repair 20+ years of bad technique. Which essentially means I've had to start at a pre-beginner level of hyper-analysis of my left hand and completely reprogramming the neural pathways. I've been doing it for a few months now and have been making a fair bit of progress but just remember that undoing bad habits takes a lot of time and attention.

One of the factors that I have zeroed in on with my left hand is focusing on using pressure on the stick with the thumb, rather than focusing on which finger creates the fulcrum. I am also working on wrist rotation as a priority.

So if you feel you need to maybe do some technical refinement, here is my list of priorities in order from most to least important to work on:

- Strike using the thumb, as described above, and utilise rebound rather than holding the stick tight

- Use correct wrist rotation, e.g., the strike must move vertically, and the wrist should not hyper-extend.

- Relax: I have found tension has been unavoidable during this process of reprogramming neural pathways and developing the right muscles. However I am finding more and more that I can relax

- Finger control: The fingers should remain loose and open (try not to close them). Once you can use the thumb efficiently for striking you can then begin redeveloping the fingers to get in on the act of making the hits, and then begin developing each finger individually as long as the wrist movement is correct.

I hope all of this helps!
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:17 PM
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Have had problems with my hands (Especially my thumbs) cramping for a couple of years now. I now use elastic (rubber) bands to gently hold the sticks to my middle finger enabling you to hold the sticks more loosely. Have found these to be invaluable in helping. I also use Ibroprufen Gel which i rub in & also a good warm up technique for my hands a couple of hours before I play. The combination of the above have worked perfectly.
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Old 02-14-2019, 01:15 AM
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Have you considered changing sticks? Thicknesses, wood type, length, weight, these might be contributing factors.

Oak sticks hurt my hands. I stay away from them like the plague. Thicker sticks are harder for me to hold on to and wear my hands out faster. Same thing with longer sticks, they feel top heavy and require more work to move, again wearing out my hands faster.

Might be something to think about, as they directly link your hand to the impact.
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Everyone has mentioned some of the obvious things here to try and change. But what about some type of glove or taping your wrists in some way to create a damper? Some anti-vibration in your hands. You have to alleviate the shock from impacting the drum back up the stick to your body.

And definitely go back to the doc. I hate going to doctors too, lol.
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:55 PM
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Everyone has mentioned some of the obvious things here to try and change. But what about some type of glove or taping your wrists in some way to create a damper? Some anti-vibration in your hands. You have to alleviate the shock from impacting the drum back up the stick to your body.

And definitely go back to the doc. I hate going to doctors too, lol.
I also use wrist straps & a brace for damn tennis elbow which I have had for ages now.
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