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Old 11-15-2010, 11:46 PM
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I need a Ludwig afficiendo...I know that Ludwig had Keystone badge kits up until 1969 and then the Olive - Blue badges were then adopted...However, During the 70's, were the Ludwig kits manufactured using various Ply's in constructing all kits or just certain models ? I'm more interested in determining if a 70's Big Beat kit (5 Piece) would be 3 Ply w/ Rings or 5 or 6 Ply w/o Rings....I am interested in scoring a "Vintage" Ludwig kit with the 3 Ply w/ Rings...All 60's Ludwig are 3 Ply, correct ? And, 70's ? If I was to choose a Drum History Book (Santa's List) detailing construction methods, wood types, etc...What would be the best bet or bet's ? Ludwig - Gretsch my main interests but all of the Drum Companies would be cool as well...Any advice certainly appreciated...All The Best...Peace...
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:58 PM
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There's a few excellent "go to" men regarding Luddies of that era (try checking in with Karl, Harry, JB, Caddy and Bermuda)......but my understanding is that they didn't start using 6 ply shells until '76. Prior to that, you're looking at 3 ply with re-rings.
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Old 11-16-2010, 12:56 AM
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The above info correct,the 1960 thru 1968 were white paint interiors,but there are exceptions,1969 thru 1971 were clear maple int.1972 to 1976 granitone(grey and black speckled coating)and there are exceptions,I bought a kit new in 1978,5pc,and the floor tom was granitone,the rest were clear maple int.Lots of anomalies with ludwig,some 60's shells were date stamped,but besides an original receipt sometimes you have to go by serial #s coustruction,hardware and finish or a combination of all the above.
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I need a Ludwig afficiendo...I know that Ludwig had Keystone badge kits up until 1969 and then the Olive - Blue badges were then adopted...However, During the 70's, were the Ludwig kits manufactured using various Ply's in constructing all kits or just certain models ? I'm more interested in determining if a 70's Big Beat kit (5 Piece) would be 3 Ply w/ Rings or 5 or 6 Ply w/o Rings....I am interested in scoring a "Vintage" Ludwig kit with the 3 Ply w/ Rings...All 60's Ludwig are 3 Ply, correct ? And, 70's ?
I don't know if I qualify as a afficiendo ... but I do like my Luddies ... and the above info is correct. 1976 is the year Ludwig switched to the 6 ply "stadium" shell.
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If I was to choose a Drum History Book (Santa's List) detailing construction methods, wood types, etc...What would be the best bet or bet's ? Ludwig - Gretsch my main interests but all of the Drum Companies would be cool as well...Any advice certainly appreciated...All The Best...Peace...
Geoff Nicholls - The Drum Book .... very cool "eye candy" ....
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I don't know if I qualify as a afficiendo ... but I do like my Luddies ... and the above info is correct. 1976 is the year Ludwig switched to the 6 ply "stadium" shell.
Being a vintage Luddie afficianado (hee hee), I concur!
Geoff Nicholls - The Drum Book .... very cool "eye candy" ....
Yes. Very cool book that pretty much sums it up. It doesn't go into EXTENSIVE details about Ludwig and Gretsch shells, but it gives you what you need to know about overall drum construction. If you want the more extensive, in depth knowledge, hit up this forum and vintage drum forum.
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I really appreciate the info...Pre '75 Ludwig kits it is then...I really do a lot of reading and read the same books over and over especially the piles of Drum magazines I've got in my book shelve's...The Drum Handbook you recommend will be welcome...I've seen Ludwig & Gretsch history books listed somewhere and hope to get those as well...Again, Thanks for enlightenment y'all...
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There's a few excellent "go to" men regarding Luddies of that era (try checking in with Karl, Harry, JB, Caddy and Bermuda)......but my understanding is that they didn't start using 6 ply shells until '76. Prior to that, you're looking at 3 ply with re-rings.
According to Bermuda, when the manufacturers when to the drums being made without the reinforcement rings, they found that the drum lost some of the low end. The extra step of putting the reinforcing rings in the drums cost a little extra, so this was partly to save on the expense of manufacturing the drums.

With the result of the loss of bottom end, drum manufacturers introduced - Power Toms!


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