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Hi everyone.

Just want to get a overview of people's opinion on sacrificing concepts during practice.

Given the time constraints in some people's lives (me included), I find myself at times feeling like I have to forgo certain concepts with practice.

Obviously, if I could practice for hours and hours daily to cover as many concepts as possible, that would be great. But I find that I have approx 2 hrs daily.

So I spend 30 mins on stick control

30 mins working on various grooves from Groove Essentials 1.0

30 mins working on rudiments on the kit incorporating the bass drum/double pedal as fills or grooves. The Rudiments I cover are singles, doubles, parradiddles and triplets.

20 mins of "song challenge".....where I pick songs that keep my chops up.

10 mins buzz Rolls.

Not in that order......but I feel I'm missing out on heaps of other stuff.

How do you guys prioritise your practice routine?
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How do you guys prioritise your practice routine?
1. The demands of the next gig are a top priority, of course. Might be songs, might be soloing. Right now is pretty exciting, because that means soloing over vamps in 4/4, 11/8, and 15/8, and charting out some tunes. The vamp in 11/8 is kind of nuts, so I created a track with a click, to play along with.

2. I have a short list of four or five things to work on. Usually they are written out and waiting on the music stand. Could be stuff I've transcribed, or more conceptual things. They're on the music stand so I don't forget to practice them, at least a little, every time I sit down at the kit. Right now it's some licks I've transcribed, plus some exercises in playing odd groupings, over a triplet note rate. Trying to get more comfortable feeling groups of 5 and 7 while grooving in 12/8.

3. Working on tunes that I'm likely to encounter on future gigs. Soloing over the form, trying out implied modulation ideas.

4. I have a couple of fairly advanced students right now, so working with them in our lessons is a good refresher for me, because we're working on some things I haven't touched in a while. One is going through the Latin grooves in Groove Essentials, plus a Steve Gadd samba groove, and another student is getting into Time Functioning Patterns.
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Ok. So I see that you actually practice the stuff that you are actually using.......that's great.
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Hi everyone.

Just want to get a overview of people's opinion on sacrificing concepts during practice.

Given the time constraints in some people's lives (me included), I find myself at times feeling like I have to forgo certain concepts with practice.

Obviously, if I could practice for hours and hours daily to cover as many concepts as possible, that would be great. But I find that I have approx 2 hrs daily.

So I spend 30 mins on stick control

30 mins working on various grooves from Groove Essentials 1.0

30 mins working on rudiments on the kit incorporating the bass drum/double pedal as fills or grooves. The Rudiments I cover are singles, doubles, parradiddles and triplets.

20 mins of "song challenge".....where I pick songs that keep my chops up.

10 mins buzz Rolls.

Not in that order......but I feel I'm missing out on heaps of other stuff.

How do you guys prioritise your practice routine?
I'm pretty much anti routine, I prefer to pick what I want to work on...on the fly.

All I have to do is sit down at the drums, play for about a minute, and invariably I will stumble across something that I can't quite pull off. So I stop and work on that. I feel it's more organic, more me, because I had the idea, I just couldn't pull it off to my satisfaction. When I practice, I mostly do what I have a hard time doing, like comping to the jazz ride pattern, without compromising the skip beat.

The downside to this is all my ideas come from me, nothing foreign to wrap my head around, or give me ideas that would have never have occurred to me, left to my own devices.

Some, maybe most, people fare better with a structured grid.

Which method would you gravitate to? Structured? Non-structured?
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I Which method would you gravitate to? Structured? Non-structured?
I think this is the better question than mine......

For me? utterly and absolutely structured. My technical facility is not good enough to be so spontaneous.
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You have to decide what's really essential-- a lot of topics popular online are kind of useless in the real world. Other things you can combine. The drumset applications of the book Syncopation do that-- while you're doing them you're simultaneously working on reading, interpreting, phrasing, improvising-- whatever. It's the most efficient way method I've seen for real improvement in real world drumming abilities. If your time is limited I think it's kind of a waste to just be hacking through Stone on a pad with a metronome.
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I guess it's just a feeling like........"I'm practicing voice substitution with rudiments across the kit......oh, but I'm missing out on Independence exercises".

Or......."I'm practicing this oh, but I'm missing out on that".

It just feels at times you kinda want to do a bit of everything.
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If your time is limited I think it's kind of a waste to just be hacking through Stone on a pad with a metronome.
Hmmmm.........that's kinda interesting.
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Routine is important for me, without it I'm a bit lost, so my practices are rather structured.

I usually practice 2+ hours a day as follows:

1) 4-Way Coordination for about 40 mins;
2) Stick Control for about 40 mins;
3) Mastering the Rudiments for Snare Drum for about 40 mins;
4) Specific exercises for about 40 mins.

I've doing that for about a year now, and pretty soon I'll be substituting Stick Control for Igoe's GHFAL and Mastering the Rudiments for Snare Drum for some snare solos and etudes.

What I don't work on much are reading music, grooves and "creativity". Some may say that's detrimental, but I have my reasons, limited time being one of them. Since I studied classical piano and music theory growing up, I don't have any problem reading music. When it comes to grooves, I took drum lessons years ago for quite some time, and learned the basics of various styles. If I find I need to learn a new groove for one of my band's songs, I'll work on it before or during rehearsal. Regarding "creativity", I feel that developing coordination, stick control and learning the rudiments helps that more so than just flailing away aimlessly on the kit (i.e. I can "hear" in my head what I want to play, but need to develop the coordination and stick control to do so).
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Hmmmm.........that's kinda interesting.
Yeah. I would at least be doing it on the drum set. RH on cymbal + bass drum, LH on snare. Playing with a record or practice loop, with realistic dynamics and touch for whatever playing you do, or want to do.
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I guess it's just a feeling like........"I'm practicing voice substitution with rudiments across the kit......oh, but I'm missing out on Independence exercises".

Or......."I'm practicing this oh, but I'm missing out on that".

It just feels at times you kinda want to do a bit of everything.
That's clearly a mental hurdle. I feel it can be easily scaled. You have to give yourself permission to focus on one thing at a time, and disregard and dismiss the thoughts you are having about what you're not working on at the moment. It's OK. Step out of your own way. Focus on what you are aiming for. Those thoughts are hamstringing you and draining energy away from your aim. I make a waste bin in my mind, because I getr wacky thoughts too. I just recognize it as wacky and mentally throw it in the trash just like junk mail.
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You have to give yourself permission to focus on one thing at a time...
"Lord Ronald said nothing; he flung himself from the room, flung himself upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions." Stephen Leacock.

I think that could be from a book called "The Story of My Life".

These days I try to focus on my band's set list plus one other thing, usually a book I'm working through, and nothing else.

But I'm easily distracted.
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"Lord Ronald said nothing; he flung himself from the room, flung himself upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions." Stephen Leacock.

I think that could be from a book called "The Story of My Life".

These days I try to focus on my band's set list plus one other thing, usually a book I'm working through, and nothing else.

But I'm easily distracted.
I'm easily distracted too. The only thing I can do is realize that I'm distracted....and reel myself back in to focus. A lot.
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Two methods here, one more formal and one relaxed.

When gigging:
Everyday for at least two hours, usually more. Sometimes twice a day (the jam room was about a half mile walk from my apartment). I would put on music and run my feet for the songs entirety, using it as a click. Different tempos, times, stop and go, all of it was worked on depending on my bands needs at the time. With my hands I would either work on my time, or any patterns I needed to learn. Anything I didn't need was almost never worked on.

No longer gigging:
Again I put on music, but now I let my mood dictate what I work on. I might just play music, I might work on some ungraspable pattern, I might go fast or slow, just depends on how I feel. It's quite freeing. Right now my pattern of choice is a hybrid of a 3 note ride pattern with a disco beat under it. The right plays the ride, the left plays the hi hats and snare.

If I make a mistake and catch it I try to seamlessly play the mistake as a pattern. Makes it look like the mistake was on purpose. It's harder than it seems.

And I always listen to music, a loop, a click, something. I can't practice without one. Been that way since the very first time I ever hit a drum, and will stay that way.
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That's clearly a mental hurdle. I feel it can be easily scaled. You have to give yourself permission to focus on one thing at a time, and disregard and dismiss the thoughts you are having about what you're not working on at the moment. It's OK. Step out of your own way. Focus on what you are aiming for. Those thoughts are hamstringing you and draining energy away from your aim. I make a waste bin in my mind, because I getr wacky thoughts too. I just recognize it as wacky and mentally throw it in the trash just like junk mail.
Some really good advice and perspectives here....
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That's clearly a mental hurdle. I feel it can be easily scaled. You have to give yourself permission to focus on one thing at a time, and disregard and dismiss the thoughts you are having about what you're not working on at the moment. It's OK. Step out of your own way. Focus on what you are aiming for. Those thoughts are hamstringing you and draining energy away from your aim. I make a waste bin in my mind, because I getr wacky thoughts too. I just recognize it as wacky and mentally throw it in the trash just like junk mail.
It's for this that I've been raising my practice time per exercise. I find that it sometimes takes a minute or so to really start focusing on an exercise, so instead of playing it for 1 minute, I'll play it for 2, now 3 (at the minimum). I'll even play them on occasion for 5 or 10mins.

I know you've promoted 1/4 notes at 40bpm for 40mins. I find the longer I practice one simple exercise (drumming or otherwise), the better I'm able to focus in general. Do you see any correlation between the two?

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"Lord Ronald said nothing; he flung himself from the room, flung himself upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions." Stephen Leacock.
What a great line, a scene all in itself.

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If I make a mistake and catch it I try to seamlessly play the mistake as a pattern. Makes it look like the mistake was on purpose. It's harder than it seems.
One of the hardest things to do.
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Hey beatdat, I really identified with your issue regarding focussing on a concept.

Yeah.......I find a new concept really deserves that extra bit of time as opposed to a rigid time frame.

In a sense, that's probably the crux of my whole issue. Once I fumble and piddle-poddle around, I kinda think......"I'm just wasting bloody time here".
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1) So I spend 30 mins on stick control

2) 30 mins working on various grooves from Groove Essentials 1.0

3) 30 mins working on rudiments on the kit incorporating the bass drum/double pedal as fills or grooves. The Rudiments I cover are singles, doubles, parradiddles and triplets.

20 mins of "song challenge".....where I pick songs that keep my chops up.

10 mins buzz Rolls.

Not in that order......but I feel I'm missing out on heaps of other stuff.

How do you guys prioritise your practice routine?...
Probably your problem is your general approach, it is hard for me to explain you what I mean with this, not because I donīt know how to explain you, itīs because you will have an impossible time to understand what I know, "from where" Iīm telling you this...

When I read about rutines like yours, that are kind of usual, normally means YOU CANīT READ MUSIC (the most important basic skill to play good).

Reading constant eights is not reading music, playing rock rhythms with constant 1/8 or 1/16 on the hi-hat is not READING MUSIC..., etc

I might be wrong, but letīs analise...(I will alter the order):

3) You are currently not working over "rudiments" you are just practicing doubles and singles...TRIPLETS are not rudiments (thatīs a big alarm because it gives up your theorical knowledge)

1) Usually means you practice the first 3 pages (at most) which is playing constant eighths

2) Usually means you watch THE VIDEO and play a rhythms FROM there, or at most you have/copied the book and you read a few ROCK rhythms...no chart reading envolved (and if you do youīll be the first in hundreds I know that do that), none of the "more sophisticated rhythms", that require some minimal reading.

That book is not an encyclopedia of rhythms, is some basic rhythms to be played along with the arrangement...

Best!

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... You donīt work over "rudiments"...
I've only recently realized that.

When I finally stopped playing rudimental drills and started playing little etudes and solos that use rudiments, things improved suddenly. I finally started to understand rudiments in a musical context, which made them easier to play.

That would be pretty much impossible without sight reading.

So I've gone back to beginner books and I'm studying all the stuff I skipped over when I was first learning to play.

I kept flogging away at intermediate to advanced stuff and getting nowhere because I didn't really have the basics nailed down. Time to fix that.
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This is an area where I could definitely use some improvement. My main function as a drummer is that I play for praise bands. This means that I do 5-6 songs when I "perform" but they are always different songs, and often times, they are songs I've never heard or played before.

I'm also a busy guy:
Full-time 9-5 salaried job with a 42 mile one-way commute in DC area traffic
I'm in the Army National Guard
I freelance on trumpet
I have everything that goes with a house with wife, two kids, two cars, two dogs, etc.

As a result, my drum practice is usually focused on what I need to know to for the gig, so the only concepts being worked are whatever is right in front of me for the set list that week.

Maybe one day I can do better with it.
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I know you've promoted 1/4 notes at 40bpm for 40mins. I find the longer I practice one simple exercise (drumming or otherwise), the better I'm able to focus in general. Do you see any correlation between the two?
Most definitely.

I regard the 40 BPM thing as a meditation exercise, to clear my mind. Not an easy thing to do, clearing the mind. Everyone practices differently. When I am trying to open up to a new concept or trying to play a new thing for me, I try to turn it into a meditation exercise. It works for me, but I'm a little wacky.

IMO it's the clearing of the mind that is the real key to easier absorption. Kind of like a wet rag, you have to squeeze out the existing water so it can pick up new water.

All drumming...everything actually, starts in the mind. The state of mind is everything when it comes to life. It can propel you forward, beat you back, or allow you to remain unaffected. It mainly comes down to operator skillfulness.
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But I find that I have approx 2 hrs daily.
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Not in that order......but I feel I'm missing out on heaps of other stuff.
You are! In general, if I were your teacher, I'd suggest the following:

1. Get a gig. Any kind of gig playing music with other people, in front of people, is best. A casual "jam" or group "practice session" is cool, too, but real gigs are preferred.

2. Substitute a Wilcoxon book for Stick Control. Learn how to used rudiments together to make musical phrases. I like All American Drummer; the first few solos are challenging, and sound cool once you can play them at a decent tempo.

3. Instead of working on grooves from Groove Essentials, pick one or two of the play-along tracks and work on that. You may need to simplify the groove a bit (that's ok), but definitely follow the chart as you play the tune. Play the song from beginning to end without stopping.

4. Instead of "Song Challenge", try a "Transcription Challenge"! Pick one or two fills or grooves from a song, slow it down via YouTube or other software, and write out every note. Post it here if you want it proofed for accuracy.

5. Instead of buzz rolls, I'd suggest Rudimental Logic by Bill Bachman, to challenge how you work on your stick technique. Focus on exercises and warm-ups that use singles, buzzes, doubles, and paradiddle family rudiments.

6. Work from Syncopation, and apply it to the basic jazz ride pattern. Get that swing independence happening! The Art of Bop Drumming has a similar approach to swing independence, and explains itself more thoroughly.

7. Work out the Fat-Back exercises in Time Functioning Patterns. Start with simple 8ths on the hi-hat (right hand).

You don't need to go in a specific order. In fact, it's good to try a new thing every 5 or 10 minutes, and return back to something two or three times in a practice session.
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Probably your problem is your general approach, it is hard for me to explain you what I mean with this, not because I donīt know how to explain you, itīs because you will have an impossible time to understand what I know, "from where" Iīm telling you this...

When I read about rutines like yours, that are kind of usual, normally means YOU CANīT READ MUSIC (the most important basic skill to play good).

Reading constant eights is not reading music, playing rock rhythms with constant 1/8 or 1/16 on the hi-hat is not READING MUSIC..., etc

I might be wrong, but letīs analise...(I will alter the order):

3) You are currently not working over "rudiments" you are just practicing doubles and singles...TRIPLETS are not rudiments (thatīs a big alarm because it gives up your theorical knowledge)

1) Usually means you practice the first 3 pages (at most) which is playing constant eighths

2) Usually means you watch THE VIDEO and play a rhythms FROM there, or at most you have/copied the book and you read a few ROCK rhythms...no chart reading envolved (and if you do youīll be the first in hundreds I know that do that), none of the "more sophisticated rhythms", that require some minimal reading.

That book is not an encyclopedia of rhythms, is some basic rhythms to be played along with the arrangement...

Best!

Alex.........thank you for your very detailed and clear analysis of my routine.

Your advice has been acknowledged. I have seen your skill level on YouTube and I am very grateful for your feedback.

It is very kind of you.

Yes........I need to change things.

Kindest regards Ben.
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You are! In general, if I were your teacher, I'd suggest the following:

1. Get a gig. Any kind of gig playing music with other people, in front of people, is best. A casual "jam" or group "practice session" is cool, too, but real gigs are preferred.

2. Substitute a Wilcoxon book for Stick Control. Learn how to used rudiments together to make musical phrases. I like All American Drummer; the first few solos are challenging, and sound cool once you can play them at a decent tempo.

3. Instead of working on grooves from Groove Essentials, pick one or two of the play-along tracks and work on that. You may need to simplify the groove a bit (that's ok), but definitely follow the chart as you play the tune. Play the song from beginning to end without stopping.

4. Instead of "Song Challenge", try a "Transcription Challenge"! Pick one or two fills or grooves from a song, slow it down via YouTube or other software, and write out every note. Post it here if you want it proofed for accuracy.

5. Instead of buzz rolls, I'd suggest Rudimental Logic by Bill Bachman, to challenge how you work on your stick technique. Focus on exercises and warm-ups that use singles, buzzes, doubles, and paradiddle family rudiments.

6. Work from Syncopation, and apply it to the basic jazz ride pattern. Get that swing independence happening! The Art of Bop Drumming has a similar approach to swing independence, and explains itself more thoroughly.

7. Work out the Fat-Back exercises in Time Functioning Patterns. Start with simple 8ths on the hi-hat (right hand).

You don't need to go in a specific order. In fact, it's good to try a new thing every 5 or 10 minutes, and return back to something two or three times in a practice session.

Brentcn..........you have given me some real food for thought.

I'm a very lucky chap to be able to get advice from people on this wonderful forum.

Just a few things though

1) I am in a gigging band currently. I've played to some enormous crowds. But I think you are right about one thing. I need to get into a VARIETY of bands that play different styles.

2) I currently work out of the book of Groove Essentials and use the play along tracks. I'm on the Jazz section of the book and I refer to the poster to get the initial groove sorted, then I use the book and the play-along tracks to consolidate my learning.

3) I've just bought Todd Bishop's 13 Essential Sticking which has some fantastic rudiments and accents.

You have given me some real good advice.

Thank you to everyone.

Kindest regards Ben.
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Something that works well for me is to stop every 3-5 minutes and do something completely different for about 30 seconds or so. Usually this is just buzz rolls going from soft to loud, but it can be something rudimental too.
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Something that works well for me is to stop every 3-5 minutes and do something completely different for about 30 seconds or so. Usually this is just buzz rolls going from soft to loud, but it can be something rudimental too.
That's a great thought.

You know what?..... I'm going to try that tomorrow.

Thanks!
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Benthedrum, just curious, CAN you read music?
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Benthedrum, just curious, CAN you read music?
I can read and understand the grooves on the Groove Essentials 1.0 poster.

My proficiency is very poor.

So I can't just be given any written piece of music and play off the cuff straight away.

You can call me Ben BTW.

But I understand note values etc.
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That's a great thought.

You know what?..... I'm going to try that tomorrow.

Thanks!
Ok. If the results are interesting, let us know, OK? I’m curious to see what your results are
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Ok. If the results are interesting, let us know, OK? I’m curious to see what your results are
Can I just ask you something push-pull?

What do you mean by "it works for you"?

Thanks.
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Can I just ask you something push-pull?

What do you mean by "it works for you"?

Thanks.
It’s easy to make slight changes to your grip/stroke/posture to make a specific kind of technical issue easier to play. However, the more extreme you make these little adjustments, the harder it becomes to “keep it all together” when you’re playing something that requires you to change things up a lot very quickly.

For instance, you’ll see a lot of folks change their grip to play buzz rolls, very noticeably. The same holds true for all kinds of stuff, though.

Switching between different things every 3-5 minutes helps you avoid this as much. Videoing yourself helps, too.
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Push-pull....

I've just finished practice.

Something quite interesting has happened.

Mate, I was just doing some half time shuffles at about 60bpm.......

So I tried some spontaneous buzz Rolls, just off -the-cuff.

It didn't really make sense musically as they were all over the place.....

BUT......as I returned to the groove, my grip, something happened to my grip and control.

I actually felt 2 things change, albeit very subtle.

First......my sense of timing through the buzz roll really locked in to the click

Second.......I felt my grip become more relaxed but I had more control of the stick.

Where did you get that idea from?
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Push-pull....

I've just finished practice.

Something quite interesting has happened.

Mate, I was just doing some half time shuffles at about 60bpm.......

So I tried some spontaneous buzz Rolls, just off -the-cuff.

It didn't really make sense musically as they were all over the place.....

BUT......as I returned to the groove, my grip, something happened to my grip and control.

I actually felt 2 things change, albeit very subtle.

First......my sense of timing through the buzz roll really locked in to the click

Second.......I felt my grip become more relaxed but I had more control of the stick.

Where did you get that idea from?
I read about a study that found people progressed faster musically if they changed what they were practicing every couple of minutes. I am still testing it out, 2 years later. So far, so good.
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I read about a study that found people progressed faster musically if they changed what they were practicing every couple of minutes. I am still testing it out, 2 years later. So far, so good.
From the bottom of my heart........ I thank you for sharing this.
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Actually push-pull, this study that you've read, did it mention anything regarding the disparity between the concepts?

For example, as you've suggested, a buzz roll is vastly different than a half time shuffle at 60bpm.

Compare that to say playing a samba pattern spontaneously while laying down a basic jazz pattern.

I wonder if it's the degree of difference in concepts that improves musicality.
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You have to give yourself permission to focus on one thing at a time,
This is the main thing.

Marathon workouts are for people with nothing else to do and even then it's not something you want to do all the time.

Keep a log. That's not just about a daily routine. It's more for you have an overview and being able to make an informed decision on what your time would be most well spent working on.

Static technical exercises that require no thought are useless once you start being able to do them. You then want to introduce mental and musical components. Challenge your musicality, your time and feel during your practice. Takes very little adjustment to do.

Many fear of loosing things when they don't do a certain warm-up or routine they've been doing forever, but reality is that there's tons of overlap. If you want to improve at one aspect you have to put all your effort and attention towards that one thing. Most likely it will even improve your skills at those other things.

2 hours is plenty of time for a daily routine on any instrument, especially if you already have a lot of miles on the instrument. Make it a focused session and stop spending time on stuff you already know how to do.

As a note; I think it's well worth it to lay away play-a-longs and even the metronome for a time. Work at a tempo that you need to play something well and don't add any element that takes away your ablility to focus on exactly how your playng sounds and feels.
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Odd-Arne Oseberg..........thank you for your time and consideration. Your advice is important to me.

Now it's just a matter of reviewing some of the replies, formulating a different approach and starting again.

I'm not sure if the feedback is going to just confuse me more...........but I posted this topic for a reason.

Looks like I've got some soul searching to do.
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...So I tried some spontaneous buzz Rolls, just off -the-cuff... ...I felt my grip become more relaxed but I had more control of the stick.
I find the same thing when I'm working on roll rudiments. Things seem to go better if I alternate between playing them clean and playing them buzzed. I suspect the buzzed rolls force my hands to relax, and that reinforces a better grip.
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I find the same thing when I'm working on roll rudiments. Things seem to go better if I alternate between playing them clean and playing them buzzed. I suspect the buzzed rolls force my hands to relax, and that reinforces a better grip.
This is spot on!

Marching bands will use "check" patterns -- a simple measure of, say, single-note triplets -- in between attempts to play flam accents. You'd play one measure of triplets (accenting the downbeat), then a measure of flam accents, then triplets again, and so on. During each "check pattern", you "check" your posture, grip, technique, which helps you to relax and maintain proper form, as you play the more difficult skill.

Any rudiment you attempt to improve, should be played alternately this way, with a check pattern. Bill Bachman's fantastic book Rudimental Logic, has lots of "builder exercises" that function this way.

In a larger sense, it's better to practice a skill for 2-10 minutes, then try another skill for a while, then return back to the first skill. If you have, say, five skills to practice, skip around every 5 minutes or so. Don't go in the same order, or stay on one skill for too long. Returning to a skill, fresh from a different skill, reinforces muscle memory and familiarity. Essentially, you will learn the skills faster, than if you have simply gone in order.
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This is spot on!

Marching bands will use "check" patterns.....
Wow I like this idea. Good stuff brent, thanks.
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