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Old 05-02-2013, 06:52 AM
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Default How to develop touch and tone on the drumset?

This question is inspired by Billy Ward who is really into developing touch
and tone. Here's an excerpt from Billy's book (Inside Out), about Elvin's touch.

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was on a practice set, these cheap, beat-up drums with terrible cymbals. But
when he played that set, he sounded just as good as he did on any Trane record.
The sound was inside of him, not in the gear he was playing.
Can you also name some drummers who you think has developed a
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Old 05-02-2013, 08:48 AM
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Mostly all of the masters, like Morello, Rich, Lewis, Tate, Williams, Roach, Bellson,.....gosh, I'd be neglecting all of them if I tried to list them. I've always liked Danny Seraphines' touch and tone with early Chicago, and there are so many others. I'll just stop there.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:06 AM
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Haha it reminds me of when I started buying decent gear for the first time. I bought some Paiste Signature hi-hats, based on samples only, not paying any attention to brand and prices.

I got the hi-hats, and for the life of me I couldn't get a sound I liked out of them. I thought maybe I had got a dud pair or something. Then magically over the years I learned how to pull the sounds I wanted out of them, and I now am 100% satisfied. It's not the gear, it's they way you play them.

I think it was Elvin Jones (?) who said if you don't know how to pull 20 different sounds out of your ride, you don't know what you are doing. Food for thought.
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When the groove vs. chops conversation comes up, I try to throw tone in there as well. Honestly, it's the third dimension to playing that is so noticeable in situations such as you cited with Elvin, but so noticeably absent in a large number of players nowadays. "Just hit them things. Hit 'em harder." How we hit them, and what happens when we hit them, has to be part of the conversation too.

I try to start out having an instrument that is as pleasing to the ears as possible to start, and then I try to play it in such a manner that everything I hit makes the best possible tone for the song. When people come on here and say, "I have a '67 Supra and it sounds nothing like how Bonham made it sound", it's tone. It's touch. (Jason Bonham has a story about how his dad used to wring his signature sound out of his wretched little toy drumset. It's the tone.)
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Balance and consistency surely help!
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:13 PM
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In additions to hand development...spend time with working with just one set item(hi-hat, snare, cymbals, toms etc). For example throne, sticks, one page of the Master Stidies book and hi-hat for a week! Focus on dynamics.....Denis
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:27 PM
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Too many drummers just hit things. They think about striking. They lack finesse. I had a great timpani teacher that could make those drums sing. His approach was that he did not think about striking as much as how to pull or lift the sound out of the drum. When you strike the head (or cymbal) think about the sound that you want to scoop or lift out of it. Let the instrument do its own work. Use no more power or speed than is necessary to extract the sound that at you want. Imagine the surface on fire, and get on and off again quickly. Think about setting in motion a resonance that you want to guide out of the instrument. That also take touch and hand and finger technique. Develop the hands of a musical surgeon!
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I'd say by listening and learning deliberately. Also by gaining experience in different
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Some touch and tone performances from the top drawer for inspiration:

Max Roach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Dj7HQEasQ

Steve Gadd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX2vacplf94

Bernard Purdie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCyRPCojb2Q

South African drummer, Tony Allen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngxaUjIYX1Y

Brian Blade with Black Dub http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_0zrd2u3uk
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Play different kinds of music. Start by listening to Ravels Bolero. 13 minutes of snare drum from barely audible to very loud cresendo. Listen to some classical music to hear very low percussion through out. If you want to play all rock and roll or heavy stuff, that is all you will learn
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Second that-- spending some time learning concert percussion from somebody who knows what he's doing will help. In that world, tone quality is pretty much the main thing. You could track down the principle of your local symphony and get some timpani or concert snare drum lessons. Otherwise, just pay attention to the sound you're getting, refine your dynamics, and try to play with some "lift" in your stroke, and over time your touch will improve. Touch and sound are two of the major things that make somebody a good drummer, so any well-known drummer with any kind of subtlety to his playing will have developed them to a high level.
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Try trimming down your set to the bare basics - snare, tom, kick, hats and a crash/ride. It forces YOU to make ALL the sounds you need with limited resources.

I played a 3-day weekend jam with my buddies a while back using the same set-up. At first I was lost, but by the end of the weekend I was comfortable. I did switch between hickory and maple sticks, rutes and brushes and sometimes even mixed them up. Point being, I could get all the voices I needed from my 3-piece set.

If you don't regularly play a 3-piece, try it!
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Second that-- spending some time learning concert percussion from somebody who knows what he's doing will help. In that world, tone quality is pretty much the main thing. You could track down the principle of your local symphony and get some timpani or concert snare drum lessons. Otherwise, just pay attention to the sound you're getting, refine your dynamics, and try to play with some "lift" in your stroke, and over time your touch will improve. Touch and sound are two of the major things that make somebody a good drummer, so any well-known drummer with any kind of subtlety to his playing will have developed them to a high level.
So very, very true.... I spent a few years back in the mid-1980's working with a professional orchestral percussionist and I've played differently ever since. Amazing world of difference.
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Old 05-03-2013, 04:24 PM
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Can you also name some drummers who you think has developed a
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I would think any well known drummer that has put in tons of hours has developed a good touch and tone. Well, I guess they really don't even have to be well known. Practice, practice, and more practice is pretty much the answer.

A good example is a Dave Weckl clinic I saw years ago. After the clinic, he came back to the sales floor of the shop and was checking out some drums. He jumps behind one of those Gretsch Catalina Jazz kits and just goofed around for about a minute. He still sounded like Dave Weckl...and nothing like the kid that was jamming on the kit a couple hours prior. Clearly he has put in countless hours of practice to get his sound.

That's how we can recognize Elvin's drums, Eric Clapton's guitar, Elton John's piano, etc. It just takes a lot of practice. There isn't any shortcut for that.
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Old 05-03-2013, 05:16 PM
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Some touch and tone performances from the top drawer for inspiration:

Max Roach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Dj7HQEasQ

Steve Gadd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX2vacplf94

Bernard Purdie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCyRPCojb2Q

South African drummer, Tony Allen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngxaUjIYX1Y

Brian Blade with Black Dub http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_0zrd2u3uk
Thanks for the links. First time I've heard of Tony Allen and I very much enjoyed
his playing. Kinda reminded me of Idris Muhammad in Power of Soul. :)
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This is something that should be taught from day one instead of hitting the drums as hard as you possibly can. Your hands are your volume control to help extract those subtleties within your playing.

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I think touch and tone are directly related to the way you hold and move your sticks. Touch is something like a golfers swing, it's all about the physicality of you and your drumstick. Playing along to guys with great touch, IMO does nothing to show you how to do it. There are many different ways to move a stick. I think touch is a product of your technique. In other words listening won't help much as far as the mechanics go. Working on an efficient hand technique will though.
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Once my kit was used as a back up kit for all the bands at a music festival years ago, mostly local bands, but the last performer was a well known artist in my country, he was using a pro drummer, and he played on my kit, same tuning same mix as everyone else, same everything, but you wouldn't believe what the touch and tone of the drummer did on my kit, I thought what I was listening was not my kit, a great lesson indeed.
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I think touch and tone are directly related to the way you hold and move your sticks. Touch is something like a golfers swing, it's all about the physicality of you and your drumstick. Playing along to guys with great touch, IMO does nothing to show you how to do it. There are many different ways to move a stick. I think touch is a product of your technique. In other words listening won't help much as far as the mechanics go. Working on an efficient hand technique will though.
Exactly, Lar. Considering how crucial the hand-stick-drum interaction is for playing our instrument, it's funny how few drummers actually work on it. I was watching a video advertising a drum brand on their website today, and the drummer was actually very stiff and it sounded like his grip was choked, it was very dead-sounding and the drums were not resonating. I would have picked another guy to feature on my website!
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:29 AM
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Right Al? I was surprised that no one had mentioned the intimate connection between how you hold and move the sticks, and the resulting tone. Just like Henri related in his post, it's all about the touch in extracting beautiful sounds from a drum. Actually that applies to all instruments in one form or another.
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I was having this discussion with a guitarist friend of mine just today.

We were talking about vintage guitars and the 'mysticism' that surrounds them (and why we both think it's over egged) and then got onto the subject of suspect marketing with regard to drums. In all honesty, I don't think it matters what you play (provided it's well made). As long as you can tune well and have a good touch, you will sound good. Obviously playing specialised drums (Gurus, for instance) will give you a better baseline tone to work with but I really do think it's in the hands of the player. Multiply that by an order of magnitude for cymbal playing. I've heard so many bad cymbal players on the local circuit I filter it out but when you really listen, one-dimensional cymbal playing is a big issue.
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I think touch and tone are directly related to the way you hold and move your sticks. Touch is something like a golfers swing, it's all about the physicality of you and your drumstick. Playing along to guys with great touch, IMO does nothing to show you how to do it. There are many different ways to move a stick. I think touch is a product of your technique. In other words listening won't help much as far as the mechanics go. Working on an efficient hand technique will though.
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I agree 100% with larry, touch is directly related to your hand/foot technique. It's important to leave nothing to chance and analize every detail of your playing to pull out the sound you want. Of course technique is a big one but also stuff like the gear you're using, the angle of your drums and cymbals, the height relation between the snare drum and the throne, ect. Brian Blade might look like he's completely in the moment but I assure you he has all of these details down before he even sits on his throne.
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I think a lot of it is getting your bearings on the kit and finding what works, and what doesn't. When I started 16.5 years ago I was really frustrated with my bass drum tone. Why didn't it sound like Green Day and Nirvana records? So I put a full sized pillow in there, and it got closer to the sound I want. Now, with heads and tuning, I prefer my bass drum unmuffled, tuned up higher, and it sounds exactly how I want because of the bass drum pedal, beater, technique I'm using, and the other factors.

Realizing that beating the crap out of the drums and cymbals isn't going to give you the loudest sound compared to proper tuning and touch and developing your playing is a big part of it. Things like Larry is pointing out, like really working on your grip and touch, and tuning higher for response and the audience, comes with time. Realizing that overtones help carry unmic'd drums to the band and audience, and give drums their character, is very important too. You can always back off a fully resonant drum with minimal (to none) muffling, but good luck pounding out a full tone out of a kit covered with duct tape that barely projects.

Getting your articulation from the tuning. heads and your inner balance/touch instead of relying on heavy muffling for a quieter, but more attack-y sound is pretty relevant too.
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Also the timeless advice of recording yourself can be very helpful in improving
your sound. Record yourself playing a simple groove and listen to the dynamics,
note value, where you place the beat, etc.

Another question that came up from your replies is how do you deal with your
touch and tone if you have some ear protection? Right now I'm using ETY plugs so
the sound doesn't get really muffled and I can hear my band much better. But if
I'm using foam plugs, I don't really push them in my ears because it's not easy to
hear the band and sometimes I'm hitting harder and louder than usual. But I guess
this is dependent on what style you play. I won't probably wear earplugs when I'm
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The real answer to this question is without a doubt....

What else...

Here it comes...

Ready for this???











Mapex Saturn, of course. Saturn's will transform any Neanderthal touch into one of impeccable tonality.
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Mapex Saturn, of course. Saturn's will transform any Neanderthal touch into one of impeccable tonality.
Yawn - that joke is sooo last thread. Please try to keep up, lad.

One thing that occurs to me - there's different types of "good touch", resulting in great tone production. Compare the tone production of, say, Jo Jones and John Bonham. Each player seemed to coax great sounds from their drums' sweet spots, but in a different way. One had the drums crooning, the other shouting.
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Yawn? You're yawning at... Moi? Pfft. Why I'll have you know that joke was a pinnacle of comic timing. Watso couldn't have done better if I say so myself. Perfectly timed, flawless execution, current, topical content....cross thread humor for Gods sake....what's not to love?


You tell me to keep up. And you call me lad? Lad??? Look here cupcake, you think your post is so much better? Oh Jo Jones and John Bonham coaxed great sounds but in a different way. Well no duh! Newsflash! Everyone is different! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

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LOL - you're being too hard on me! Where's my milk? Where's my cape??

Lad ... that joke was later than Jimi Hendrix. Slower than Charlie Watts on downers. More behind than a hippo's elderly aunt. As flaccid as Peewee Herman. If that's timing, then I suggest you go back to your 30bpm torture sessions, sonny Jim.

By contrast, the Jo Jones and Bonham observations were pithy, profound and perspicacious. I stuffed it in my pipe and decided it's good sheet.

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That was fun. Was is as good for you as it was for me?

I don't have a snappy comeback because I don't know what pithy and perspicacious means!

But your other lines are a scream!
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That's another phrase to admit you've been defeated, dragging Larry...

... and I've made another pithy and perspicacious comment! :)



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Keith Carlock. His approach is all about touch, tone, finesse. Like other say, pull the sound out of the drums.
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Also the timeless advice of recording yourself can be very helpful in improving
your sound. Record yourself playing a simple groove and listen to the dynamics,
note value, where you place the beat, etc.

Another question that came up from your replies is how do you deal with your
touch and tone if you have some ear protection? Right now I'm using ETY plugs so
the sound doesn't get really muffled and I can hear my band much better. But if
I'm using foam plugs, I don't really push them in my ears because it's not easy to
hear the band and sometimes I'm hitting harder and louder than usual. But I guess
this is dependent on what style you play. I won't probably wear earplugs when I'm
in a jazz gig.
I agree. I listen to recordings I did prior to last year and I just wince in horror. That amateur touch and tone was always there mocking me and my ego. But only recently can I sit back and listen to myself and actually enjoy what I am hearing to the point where it's a pleasure to listen to. But, this kind of playing, where your limbs are just extensions of your mind, only came about from hours and hours of playing with the same band for a year. When I go to play now, my warm-up time isn't half as long. I can hit "the Zone" a lot quicker now. I call this hitting the Zone. You know it when you hit it. It doesn't need no explanation. All in all, it wasn't that great in the beginning and I still have a long way to go on this journey.

I've tried earplugs, but I feel they take away from my enjoyment and interaction with the music. It distracts me to not be fully engulfed in the sound. I like it. But there is a point where it is so loud that earplugs are absolutely needed. that's when I ask the guitar player to turn it down a little. Screw the earplugs! If I played more often, I'd probably use some that just cut a few decibels.
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Larry! You bailed so early! You're gettin' soft :) Lady Roach chalks up another victim ...

But I was actually serious about the Jo Jones / Bonham observation. Touch and tone comes pretty naturally when you're not beating the daylights out of the drums. Pick almost any decent jazz drummer and they will display touch and tone in spades.

You can't say the same about many top rock players, who can have many fabulous qualities without having especially notable touch and tone. That's why Bonzo is so revered. I suppose power gained through relaxed technique would be a big part of that but I can't speak personally because, as the volume rises, I lose touch and tone.
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I didn't want to beat you up too badly Anon. I have too much love for you. It's better this way if you think you've won. It's no challenge beating up girls, so I'll just let the baby have her way lol.
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I keep hearing that tone is in the hands....

Somewhere I read about just trying to get an even sound out of both hands on a practice pad. Takes some paying attention. Getting the stick off the head is another big part. Especially if you want some volume, you need to let the head vibrate, not kill it by burying a stick into it.

I get asked about tone production on guitar fairly often, maybe because it's more noticeable to beginners than tone on the drums. I tell folks to just listen while changing one thing. How hard you strike, angles, tension in your hands and arms, and so on. Everything makes a difference. Then try to work on a continuum of tone change. e.g. from mellow to bright (which doesn't have to change the volume, you can change the sound in other ways). And practice going back and forth until you only have to think mellower, or brighter, and the sound changes. Then try playing things you normally play and do the same thing. Then play something but deliberately phrase it with changes in tone. Even the simplest ideas take on more musical connotations when you work the tonality.
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