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Old 09-12-2018, 07:06 PM
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Default Drum gear gimmicks that didn't really catch on

There are a few threads on the topic of drum-related gimmicks that didn't really last and someone in one thread mentioned issues of MD being full of ads for them in the 80s. Let's hear about these ill-conceived ideas... particularly the obscure ones, as opposed to the well-documented and widely loathed (PTS) or with a cult following (Vari-pitch)

For what it's worth on the topic, I have a Remo Acousticon kit which sounds great, though weighs a ton. Unfortunately, one of the toms has the characteristic bearing edge smush in one spot, endured in my careless younger days...
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Old 09-12-2018, 07:20 PM
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I think it's got to be hard for drum/percussion/hardware manufacturers to figure out what will be a great idea that lasts for decades (remote cable hat) and what won't (the Gibraltar ultra-adjust hi-hat stand).

Gibraltar in particular has made a lot of very specific niche gear that probably met a few people's needs (I keep coming back to ultra-adjust booms and cymbal stands as a great example). they still have them for sale but I have never once seen evidence a drummer using them.

And then there's the Catapult pedal.

Anyone remember Tama Stilt hardware? I think some of their stands may still have Stilt capability, but nobody talks about it anymore. I remember Joey Kramer (a Tama endorser at the time) appearing on SNL with all straight Stilt stands leaned in towards him... and it just looked odd.

And let's all have a moment of silence for the Ludwig Signet.
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Old 09-12-2018, 07:25 PM
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I'm gonna say the Vruk pedal. I know people use and love it. Just seems gimmicky to me.
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Old 09-12-2018, 07:26 PM
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I always thought the Tama stilt stands were all flash and no function. Strictly for the visual element. I mean really, what's the point? For those who think a boom stand is too extreme? I don't get it. And it makes me nervous seeing a leaning stand holding two power toms...

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Old 09-12-2018, 08:35 PM
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Don't be knockin' Tama Stilts. They are awesome:



To be honest, they are a bit extreme for most kits. They are great for huge double bass kits with 4 monster sized power toms because the base can be set far back and the boom plus the stilt can push the cymbals a bit further towards the drummer than just a straight boom stand can do by itself.
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Old 09-12-2018, 08:41 PM
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As much as I geek out on drum stuff, I'm surprised I've not heard of some of this stuff...

Geez, how much did those vari-pitch drums weigh?

Did the PTS drums just clamp their heads down with no adjusting?

Regarding the Ludwig Signet, I claim to this day that if a.) they would have used "normal" lugs that simply screw in AND b.) offered finishes that didn't look like the paper you use to line kitchen cabinets, I think those would have been a hit.

The drum pedals mentioned here look nuts to me.

As far as gimmicks that are more obscure, I can't think of any that are REALLY out there, but there are a few that come to my mind:
  • Molecule drums (I didn't like the sound, and apparently no one else did either. I feel bad for the guy who made them because I bet he lost his shirt with these. He seemed really passionate about this product from the videos I've seen.)
  • Remo Mondo kit (These fetch quite a bit whenever you can find one on sale.)
  • Sabian Rocktagon (I don't think they sounded bad, but I couldn't get past their look)
  • Zildjian Re-Mix ("Let's try to make a cymbal that sounds processed." What?)
  • Zildjian Pang cymbal (I don't know if they all sound as bad as the one I tried out back in the 1990's, but the one I played was horrid.)

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Old 09-12-2018, 08:57 PM
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Zildjian frying pans. Seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbF-DfPC4xo

Arbiter Drums. I never ever understood how tensioning around the diameter of the head worked.
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Old 09-12-2018, 09:14 PM
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A few off the top of my head on my lunch break:

- Tama Air Ride snare stand
- Drum frame
- I remember a brand of shoes designed for drummers; I recall an ad with Dave Weckl as an endorser. Otomix? Something like that.
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Old 09-12-2018, 09:18 PM
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Leedy knob tension drums
Arbiter Autotune drums
Peavey Radial Pro drums ( actually excellent sounding drums)
Stacatto and North Drums
Canasonic drum heads
BOA PDP bass drum and hihat pedals
Sonor Giant Step Twin Effects pedals
Duraline heads and drumsticks
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- I remember a brand of shoes designed for drummers; I recall an ad with Dave Weckl as an endorser. Otomix? Something like that.
Nah, Dave proudly wore Vic Firth Kickers! (And that 90's mullet.)

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Oh, and then there's this little item...

https://muzones.com/products/drummer...BoC4hoQAvD_BwE

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Old 09-12-2018, 09:37 PM
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Tama Air Ride snare stand
Another solution in search of a problem! I get the obsession over rim mounting toms, but it seems like extending the sustain of a snare has never been a pursuit of most drummers... quite the opposite, actually. Not to mention I wonder how well the drum would stay in position with all that stress concentrated on one arm at the end of a ball mount. It's only like the 2nd-most hit drum in the kit.

Anyway, I have never, ever seen one of those in action since seeing it in a Tama catalog in the mid-90s and thinking even then at age 13 that it was a silly idea.
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Old 09-12-2018, 10:19 PM
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Molecule drums (I didn't like the sound, and apparently no one else did either. I feel bad for the guy who made them because I bet he lost his shirt with these. He seemed really passionate about this product from the videos I've seen.)
The main problem with these is that the obvious appeal of them is visual, but they are too impractical to take anywhere where they would be seen! You're spending $4k on a kit that lives in the basement.
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Sabian made triple hi hats that required a special HH stand, plus the cymbals were extra expensive since there were three of them. I can't for the life of me figure out why they never caught on ;)
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Peavey drums, with their lug-less tension system. Their resonance was truly amazing, though.

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Old 09-13-2018, 12:29 AM
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3 from Ludwig that I can think of:
1. The Ludwig octaplus drumset drum bank
2. The modular tom set up (Toms stacked above in 2x2)
3. Triple bass drum ala Eric Carr

And sabians rocktagon
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Old 09-13-2018, 12:32 AM
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Nah, Dave proudly wore Vic Firth Kickers! (And that 90's mullet.)

Nice one Alpa! Kinda like the Andy Griffith show episode “The Mayberry Band” when Andy tells mayor stoner that Barney just brought a pair of costellano marchers (concert cymbals) and mayor not knowing what they were tells Andy “Good he can wear em for work”
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Old 09-13-2018, 12:42 AM
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The foreboding cage rack
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Old 09-13-2018, 12:59 AM
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Ol' Neil is into shoes himself

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Old 09-13-2018, 01:26 AM
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North Drums https://youtu.be/7mvlaYx2aCo
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Old 09-13-2018, 01:49 AM
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I'm really put off by the laces on those shoes.
Among other things about them.
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Old 09-13-2018, 02:28 AM
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Did gloves ever catch on ?

Except for Carter Beauford, I don't see many guys using them.

Never tried it, never will.
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Old 09-13-2018, 03:18 AM
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Did gloves ever catch on ?

Except for Carter Beauford, I don't see many guys using them.

Never tried it, never will.
Zildjian and Ahead still sell them. I tried them for a short time and I wore a hole in them nearly immediately. I loved the positive grip and cushion while they lasted.
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Did gloves ever catch on ?

Except for Carter Beauford, I don't see many guys using them.

Never tried it, never will.
Tried them once. Couldn't feel the sticks. Enough said.

I remember most of the stuff in this thread. Dammit I think I am becoming old. Noooooooooooo!

Anyone remember Mainline (I think) sticks? Supposedly an almost unbreakable stick made of some sort of synthetic wood? I bought one pair, incredibly top heavy, and no stick feel at all. More like playing with a pair of crescent wrenches.

While I'm on sticks, I'll go ahead (see what I did?) and mention Easton Ahead. They should stick (oops, again) with baseball bats and hockey sticks.
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:55 AM
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While I'm on sticks, I'll go ahead (see what I did?) and mention Easton Ahead. They should stick (oops, again) with baseball bats and hockey sticks.
Ahh the Easton’s- I still have a pair for novelty and in good condition purchased around ‘03. My first pair I was drumming and it was cold in my room, then all of a sudden the next hit the snare was dead sounding. I looked at my ahead stick and the little metal shaft had broke under the plastic sleeve. Another common fail for those was I’d be drumming and the tip would fly off! My dad still tells the story of me purchasing those and coming back to him asking for more money (he gave me a $20) and he still calls them $50 sticks actually they were around $40.
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Old 09-13-2018, 05:03 AM
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Tivoli Vistalites another Ludwig innovation.
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Old 09-13-2018, 01:52 PM
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Duallist Single Pedals - always seemed a slightly daft idea, or maybe just rather limited to playing straight 16th note patterns.
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Old 09-13-2018, 05:38 PM
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Do people actually use those DW Air Lift snare drum and tom stands? I don't think anyone is in need of pneumatic arms in their snare stands, just imagine the hassle if they break. Maybe a lot of people with Anorexia are becoming drummers, who knows.
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Do people actually use those DW Air Lift snare drum and tom stands? I don't think anyone is in need of pneumatic arms in their snare stands, just imagine the hassle if they break. Maybe a lot of people with Anorexia are becoming drummers, who knows.
If these are anything like Roc Soc nitro/standard office chairs, how the hell are you supposed to lower the height? Sit on the snare?
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The Ludwig octaplus drumset drum bank
Actually while incredibly passe now, that accomplished the opposite in its time; it launched the whole trend of giant drum sets comprised of many concert toms...
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Oh, and then there's this little item...

https://muzones.com/products/drummer...BoC4hoQAvD_BwE

My wife just showed me some new fangled crap last night that is akin to this. Same idea, but for kids to hold pencils and crayons. Are you kidding me?
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Peavey drums, with their lug-less tension system. Their resonance was truly amazing, though.
This is really what I had in mind when I mention "cult following"... they didn't take off but seem to be extremely well-regarded in terms of sound quality. Really hideous to look at, though.
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Having quite a bit of exposure to the Peavey Radial Pro 1000 drums, I can make two observations with little fear of disagreement from those who played them:

1. They were the ugliest drums ever manufactured.

2. They were the BEST SOUNDING drums ever manufactured.

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Actually while incredibly passe now, that accomplished the opposite in its time; it launched the whole trend of giant drum sets comprised of many concert toms...
True and I endear those big monsters! I’m not sure, but just looking at the Ludwig catalog archives, they had a little over 10 run with that configuration.
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Would canister thrones be considered a gimmick?
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Would canister thrones be considered a gimmick?
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If these are anything like Roc Soc nitro/standard office chairs, how the hell are you supposed to lower the height? Sit on the snare?
I'm not sitting on no snare drum
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Did gloves ever catch on ?

Except for Carter Beauford, I don't see many guys using them.

Never tried it, never will.
I believe Stewart Copeland was wearing white gloves on many of the reunion dates a few years back. There's also pics where he was not wearing them.

I've never tried gloves.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:25 AM
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Didn't someone make square drum sticks for a while?

Also, those colored 'killer bee'drumsticks, or some name like that.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:05 AM
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Cast cement snare drums. DW...ahem.
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