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Just curious as to people's opinions on 8 lug vs 10 lug snares. I've only ever owned one 8 lug and it was a throw in on an inexpensive kit. I'm more interested in better quality snares. Anybody?
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Just means there is a lower tuning range.
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My best advice is to check out this video from Sounds Like a Drum.

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Glad you posted this, Grunts; I was going to post it myself.

I have owned 6, 8 and 10 lug snares. The shell is allowed to resonate more freely with fewer lugs (less mass attached to the shell) but each lug carries more responsibility to keep tension even across the drumhead, and slight variations and movements of a tension rod will have more effect on the tension and tone of the head. I find that drums with more lugs have generally wider tuning ranges (higher highs, lower lows), but my 8 lug snare covers plenty of tonal range in my opinion.

But the practical difference between 8 and 10 lug snares isn't so great as to completely rule one or the other out for 95% of drummers. I play both on gigs and recordings with no worries, and I have not had issues getting the sounds I want with either type of drum.

EDIT: My first snare drum was a 6-lug Pioneer similar to the one in the Sounds Like A Drum video. It was a fantastic drum and I have been on the hunt for a replacement practically since the morning after I (stupidly) sold it.
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Glad you posted this, Grunts; I was going to post it myself.

I have owned 6, 8 and 10 lug snares. The shell is allowed to resonate more freely with fewer lugs (less mass attached to the shell) but each lug carries more responsibility to keep tension even across the drumhead, and slight variations and movements of a tension rod will have more effect on the tension and tone of the head. I find that drums with more lugs have generally wider tuning ranges (higher highs, lower lows), but my 8 lug snare covers plenty of tonal range in my opinion.

But the practical difference between 8 and 10 lug snares isn't so great as to completely rule one or the other out for 95% of drummers. I play both on gigs and recordings with no worries, and I have not had issues getting the sounds I want with either type of drum.
I can't add much to Al's insightful post.

I have a few 8-lug snare drums (wood, metal, fiberglass) ranging in 12", 13", 14" and 15" sizes. They all sound great!

Overall, they have a bit more of an open tone than their 10 lug counterparts with slightly diminished tuning ranges. But the voice of each drum is distinct because of having 8-lugs.

The one snare having the most unique voice to me is my Blaemire fiberglass 5" X 14" 8 lug. It just oozes it's own vibe and I think that is largely due to it only having 8 lugs.
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Great info guys. Much appreciated and very useful.
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My best advice is to check out this video from Sounds Like a Drum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9fnpFABK1s
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Glad you posted this, Grunts; I was going to post it myself.
EDIT: My first snare drum was a 6-lug Pioneer similar to the one in the Sounds Like A Drum video. It was a fantastic drum and I have been on the hunt for a replacement practically since the morning after I (stupidly) sold it.
I LOVE that drum. Was a random Craigslist find from close to where we film Sounds Like a Drum. Such a great sound and unique character.
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I prefer 8. I want to hear the shell.
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Old 07-11-2018, 02:26 AM
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My all time favourite snare drums are 8 lugs. A walnut SS 6” x 14 Noble and Cooley - drum is rich and expressive, with fullness . The perfect snare to my ear.

My INDe seamless brushed aluminum 6.5” has become one of my most reliable snare drums. It just sounds good in every room.Tunes up quickly and really holds it’s tuning well.

I love the stick response when using an 8 lug snare, the stick digs in a bit more and I really like playing rolls more on an eight lug snare than a 10 lugger.
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:21 AM
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At the cheaper end of the market, my workplace has five Stage Custom kits from various eras.

The 10 lug snare with the newest SC is easy to tune up to a high, crisp sound.

The 8 lug ones get harder to turn as the tension gets higher, to the point where we can’t get much above a medium tuning on those drums.
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:16 AM
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All things being equal I don't have anything against 8 or 10-lug snares. I've used a Ludwig Coliseum in the past that had 12 lugs and it's just overkill. The head was tabletop hard in almost any tension and it was tedious when tuning or changing heads. But I've played plenty of 8 and 10 lug snares and I think they're both equally good.

But I decided a while back I wanted all of my snares to have the same number of lugs for ease of part swapping. I like to hear how each drum sounds with a triple flange, S-hoop or die cast and that's only possible if all the drums have the same lug count. For me it's all 10 lugs, but that's only because I already had a couple great drums that were 10 lug drums
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:22 AM
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Acrolites are awesome and the only have 8 lugs. Nuff said there!
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:42 AM
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Earl palmer used a fiberglass 6 lug drum. Buddy Rich had a 6 lug pro model snare with wfl that he used a lot. Steve Jordan uses a 6 lug trixon and ludwig snare on a lot of the projects he does today. Look some of those drums up and they go for $1000s bc they sound great

Just bc it has less lugs doesn't mean it's cheap, don't get too caught up in the drum trends. If you're a good drummer you'll make a snare sound great
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But the practical difference between 8 and 10 lug snares isn't so great as to completely rule one or the other out for 95% of drummers.
Agreed. I am one of the 95% here. I play both 8- and 10-lug snares. Love them both.
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I tend to prefer 8 lug drums as they sound more open to me and are easier to tune. I have nothing against my Ludwig with 10 lugs, just personal preference!
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10 lugs permit higher tension with ease, but 8 lugs will better retain tension without loosening. This is because there is more resistance per lug when there are fewer lugs. I had a 12 lug Slingerland snare years ago which was great, but that's just overkill. The lugs on the snare-side would regularly loosen and even fall out eventually if I wasn't paying attention.

I think 8 lugs is ideal. My Canopus has 8. I wish my 14" floor tom had 7.
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10 lugs permit higher tension with ease, but 8 lugs will better retain tension without loosening. This is because there is more resistance per lug when there are fewer lugs. I had a 12 lug Slingerland snare years ago which was great, but that's just overkill. The lugs on the snare-side would regularly loosen and even fall out eventually if I wasn't paying attention.

I think 8 lugs is ideal. My Canopus has 8. I wish my 14" floor tom had 7.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:58 AM
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There are differences between 8 and 10 lug 14” snare drums but I kind of get the feeling that as drummers with a high and very specific interest in gear we’re in danger of overstating the minutiae of differences.
If I think back to snare drums I’ve owned I genuinely would struggle to be able to remember if they were 8 or 10 lug models. I gig quite regularly and I’ve never had a snare drum detune so regularly and badly that it’s been noteworthy, likewise I’ve never sat down and thought that the snare drum in front of me has gone untouched by a drum key for months and been happy at the time I’ve saved by not having to tune it. My experience has been the same with 8 lug bass drums too. My experiences with both snares and bass drums leads me to think that in “normal” use, failings of either an 8 or a 10 lug model have got less to do with the number of lugs and more to do with a specific fault or flaw in the construction or design of the individual item. Likewise if a drum has great sound and fewer lugs then the shell design and material has a part to play in that, not just the fact that there are fewer lugs.
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10 lugs permit higher tension with ease.
This is obviously true from a construction point of view, but have you guys ever really felt constrained, tuning-wise, by an 8-lug snare? All well-built (excepting entry level) 8-luggers I've tried have been able to go as high as I could ever want, and more.

In fact, I used to have an early 1900s Ludwig 14x4" with straight brass hoops and six clawed lugs. Used that drum as as an high-tuned aux snare for D'n'B patterns and as a high timbale. Easily got high enough for my purposes.

I prefer 8 luggers for no other reason than that I tune them much faster!
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Just curious as to people's opinions on 8 lug vs 10 lug snares. I've only ever owned one 8 lug and it was a throw in on an inexpensive kit. I'm more interested in better quality snares. Anybody?
Here's what I've noticed as you increase the amount of lugs on snare: your "sweet spot" where the drum sounds good gets smaller. So with an 8-lug, that sweet spot is pretty big. 10 lugs gets a little smaller, and a 12-lug is smaller still.

The head also feels different under different lug amounts. 8-lugs can feel like the head is interacting more, and as you increase lugs, it feels more and more like a table-top with less give.

But I think the difference between 8 and 10 lugs is negligible. Both types I can tune low or high. I have a Pearl 8x14 8-lug that I love tuned low with a PowerStroke 4 head, but I can get the same sound out of my 6.5 Supra with the same kind of head. I think if you require absolute crack and high tunings, then you must have a 10-lug. But as always, look at what the music you play requires. Both 8 and 10-lug snares are quite versatile. The 8-lug Ludwig Acrolite is probably on quite a bit of recordings and it sounds just like a 10-lug Supra!
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This is obviously true from a construction point of view, but have you guys ever really felt constrained, tuning-wise, by an 8-lug snare? All well-built (excepting entry level) 8-luggers I've tried have been able to go as high as I could ever want, and more.

In fact, I used to have an early 1900s Ludwig 14x4" with straight brass hoops and six clawed lugs. Used that drum as as an high-tuned aux snare for D'n'B patterns and as a high timbale. Easily got high enough for my purposes.

I prefer 8 luggers for no other reason than that I tune them much faster!
I think that the default response to the whole 10 vs 8 lug debate is the whole "lower tuning range" response. The truth is, 8 lugs give a player enough latitude to crank the heads to the point where they choke and are no longer musically useful, so at that point, is it really an issue at all, particularly with a kit snare?
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Just go with 11 and be done with it.

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Wow, is it just me or does that actually make sense? Had no idea Tama used to make 11-lug snares!
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Eight lugs is better than six. Eight and ten are both OK with me. Peace and goodwill.
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Just go with 11 and be done with it.

Yeah Tama has this thing about 11. They even made 11” toms. Apparently, nobody cared as much about 11 as Tama did though. Kinda like 23 with DW.
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"But it goes to 11!"
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10 lugs permit higher tension with ease, but 8 lugs will better retain tension without loosening. This is because there is more resistance per lug when there are fewer lugs. I had a 12 lug Slingerland snare years ago which was great, but that's just overkill. The lugs on the snare-side would regularly loosen and even fall out eventually if I wasn't paying attention.
I have 8 and 10 luggers, all sounding great (I don't think any of the sonic properties that differs are related to the number of lugs). BUT, there definitely is a consistent difference in their ability to hold their tuning.
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I just got an 8 lug USA Custom maple/gum snare, 14x7, and it sounds incredible.
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8 and 10 lugs are both fine, in my opinion. I like that 8-lug snares seem to hold lower tunings better, since there's more tension per lug than on a 10-lugger.
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I tend to prefer 8 just because it’s easier to dial through. Kind of lazy.
I owned bad 10 luggers and excellent 8, And the contrary! I never went through good 6 luggers (cheapo tin can snare drums)

I think it also has to do with the hoop stiffness: a 8 luggers with thin hoops will have a limited ranger be difficult to tune, but with a heavier hoops it’ll be perfect for instance, one of my worst snare had 10 lugs plus die cast, so it’s not that easy.
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Personal opinion ,10 lugs tend to be more versatile in terms of tuning range and action related to things like rebound.

My snare drum chops are very rudimental in nature as is my style.

I own a 8 lug Gretsch New Classic 4x14 and it's a different voice than my 10 luggers,but with that being said ,I'm generally not impressed with 8 lugs or less on 14 inch snares.
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I've had this 8 lugger for about a week and half now and I'm really happy with the tuning range and tonal quality. It's beech and man does it crack on rim shots. Played softly the articulation is right there. Sonor has this TuneSafe system and fine pitch tension rods too so that probably helps. My Delite kit has the same TuneSafe lugs and I've probably retuned it once in 6 and a half months.

I'm glad I bought it. It's a keeper. Try one if you get a chance.
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I don't think 6 v 8 v 10 any one config is "better". They give you different sounds.

Rudiments and preciseness come from tighter head and even tension. That's what you get from 10.

More sloppy (not in a bad way) dirty bluesy sounds like that guy keeping' the groove down in that smokey juke joint 6 lugs works best.

8 lugs is kinda between.

If I'm playing in an orchestra or symphonic wind ensemble or brass band I want a lot of lugs.

In my blues band I want fewer lugs for a dirty less defined sound. Actually for my blues band the cheaper newer or older vintage 6 lugs work best. So when I do a crushed whip-cream roll it is just all roll no openness.
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I don't think 6 v 8 v 10 any one config is "better". They give you different sounds.

Rudiments and preciseness come from tighter head and even tension. That's what you get from 10.

More sloppy (not in a bad way) dirty bluesy sounds like that guy keeping' the groove down in that smokey juke joint 6 lugs works best.

8 lugs is kinda between.

If I'm playing in an orchestra or symphonic wind ensemble or brass band I want a lot of lugs.

In my blues band I want fewer lugs for a dirty less defined sound. Actually for my blues band the cheaper newer or older vintage 6 lugs work best. So when I do a crushed whip-cream roll it is just all roll no openness.
I’d say this sums it up pretty well, although there are some orchestral snare drum parts that are almost all roll, and a 6-lug drum would work great. (the long roll in Capriccio Espagnol especially)
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My two favorite metal snares, a Joyful Noise brass TKO and Tama Star Reserve hammered copper, are both 8-Luggers. They’re very open, expreressive and resonant. With that said, I own terrific 10-lug snares as well. Other build variables have more influence on a drum’s tone than lug number (within reason) based on my experience. No huge advantage either way.
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I’ve prefer 8 lug... Less fiddly to tune and I like hitting back beats between two lugs - 8 leaves more real estate...
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Glad you posted this, Grunts; I was going to post it myself.

I have owned 6, 8 and 10 lug snares. The shell is allowed to resonate more freely with fewer lugs (less mass attached to the shell) but each lug carries more responsibility to keep tension even across the drumhead, and slight variations and movements of a tension rod will have more effect on the tension and tone of the head. I find that drums with more lugs have generally wider tuning ranges (higher highs, lower lows), but my 8 lug snare covers plenty of tonal range in my opinion.

But the practical difference between 8 and 10 lug snares isn't so great as to completely rule one or the other out for 95% of drummers. I play both on gigs and recordings with no worries, and I have not had issues getting the sounds I want with either type of drum.

EDIT: My first snare drum was a 6-lug Pioneer similar to the one in the Sounds Like A Drum video. It was a fantastic drum and I have been on the hunt for a replacement practically since the morning after I (stupidly) sold it.

I picked up a 6 lug marching snare for nothing (literally nothing, I sold some parts for more than my cost) and would like to suggest you look at some no-name options to see if they strike your fancy. This one had single tension lugs, but there are many cheap snares out there, lots of cheapo Japanese stuff, that may meet your needs.
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I've had this 8 lugger for about a week and half now and I'm really happy with the tuning range and tonal quality. It's beech and man does it crack on rim shots. Played softly the articulation is right there. Sonor has this TuneSafe system and fine pitch tension rods too so that probably helps. My Delite kit has the same TuneSafe lugs and I've probably retuned it once in 6 and a half months.

I'm glad I bought it. It's a keeper. Try one if you get a chance.
Hmm, technically that would be a 16 lugger, wouldn't it? ;-)

But on more serious note, I have a vintage version of that same drum (with the same lugs) and it is a really good drum (though the old sonor snare mechanism needs some loving care).
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Old 07-27-2018, 04:54 PM
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Default Re: 8 lug snare drums. Thoughts?

The Rogers eight lug Powertone and Tower snare drums were at the top of the heap during the 1960s. Two of the absolute best eight lug snare drums that could be bought … by any maker.
Shallow wide bed, modern edges. Sensitivity to the edge of the drum. Wide tuning range, an excellent choice by many. From 1962-72 approximately 40,000 total units produced. Sizes were 5 inch, 6.5 inch x 14... in wood and Chrome over brass.
Current values range from
200-300 for a COB 5x14
450-700 for a COB 6.5x14
450-1200 for a wood version in either size, depending on condition, color, size.
By many who play and or collect vintage Rogers drums of the period, the Powertone is their preferred snare drum. The Tower does not fall far behind.
An excellent choice in a vintage, high quality snare drum.
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I picked up a 6 lug marching snare for nothing (literally nothing, I sold some parts for more than my cost) and would like to suggest you look at some no-name options to see if they strike your fancy. This one had single tension lugs, but there are many cheap snares out there, lots of cheapo Japanese stuff, that may meet your needs.
This is not a yearning for any old 6-lug snare; there was a specific mojo to that drum, I made a mistake in selling that drum, and my desire to pick up another is straight up 100% sentimentality for that particular drum. Thanks for your recommendations though ;)
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